Posted on 01/10/2014 3:41:50 AM PST by markomalley
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839 "Those who have not yet received the Gospel are related to the People of God in various ways."325 The relationship of the Church with the Jewish People. When she delves into her own mystery, the Church, the People of God in the New Covenant, discovers her link with the Jewish People,326 "the first to hear the Word of God."327 The Jewish faith, unlike other non-Christian religions, is already a response to God's revelation in the Old Covenant. To the Jews "belong the sonship, the glory, the covenants, the giving of the law, the worship, and the promises; to them belong the patriarchs, and of their race, according to the flesh, is the Christ",328 "for the gifts and the call of God are irrevocable."329840 and when one considers the future, God's People of the Old Covenant and the new People of God tend towards similar goals: expectation of the coming (or the return) of the Messiah. But one awaits the return of the Messiah who died and rose from the dead and is recognized as Lord and Son of God; the other awaits the coming of a Messiah, whose features remain hidden till the end of time; and the latter waiting is accompanied by the drama of not knowing or of misunderstanding Christ Jesus.
Catechism of the Catholic Church
It ain't just Pope Francis.
My question to you, ebb tide, is if you have a problem here with Pope Francis or with the Catechism?
Thank-you for your help. God Bless.
Please see post number 23. Thank-you.
Correction: Please see post number 22. Thank-you.
Yes and yes. I have big problems with JP II’s catechism.
Pope St Pius X: “The Jews have not recognized our Lord, therefore we cannot recognize the Jewish people.”
From the Catechism of Pope St Pius X (in regards to the First Commandment):
15 Q: What else does the First Commandment forbid?
A: The First Commandment also forbids all dealings with the devil, and all association with anti-Christian sects.
We hold the Jewish people in special regard because their covenant with God has never been revoked
And concluding: Yes, Virginia, there is salvation outside the Catholic Church!
Respect for other religions and the belief that the covenant of the Jews is fulfilled in Catholic Christianity (and therefore is not revoked) are valid Catholic beliefs of all ages. They -- nor the John Paul's Catechism, -- do not deny that salvation comes solely from the Catholic Church.
I am troubled by the ecumenical urges of many modern Catholics. It is possible that this pope shares them. But let us read and understand what we read before we start another anti-papist rant, please.
The above is not true and that lie has only been taught since the Second Vatican Council.
I am not a anit-papist and EENS is dogma.
Thank-you and God Bless.
....Yet Blessed John Paul II with Blessed John XXIII will both be declared saints this coming April. What say you?
Crossing threads now, are we? Cat got you tongue?
Seriously?
EENS [Extra Ecclesiam Nulla Salus] is dogma.
I know. No one is negating it.
Francis is. Did you not read Vennari’s article?
I have not read it. Got a link?
Yes, I have a link. I posted it to you in Post 30.
My only disagreement is with this syllogism:
The Old Covenant … has never been revoked. This means that the goal of the conversion of the Jews is abandoned, and that their salvation as a people is embraced, setting aside forever the notion that their baptism is required.
This indeed allows some people to come down on Pope Francis as a ton of bricks each time he mentions that "never been revoked" or asks for plain civility with people of different religions. But the phrase in itself is true. The covenant with the Jews has not been revoked precisely because it has been fulfilled in the Church. We are the Israel; we have the covenant and they, the Jews should come to us.
It could be that Pope Francis is a "man of Nostra Aetate"; it could be that he is not; and it could be that he is somewhere in between. Judging by a few warm words toward the Jews, and a chance photograph in the vicinity of a menorah, -- which is our Christian obligation of charity, -- it is impossible to tell.
I also wholly agree that with the Pope his warm and loving personality tends to bubble over the top and I am sure that with time he will find a way to remain on clean doctrinal ground in his teaching.
Well, the "chance" photograph actually shows him lighting a menorah.
And from the Catechism of Pope St Pius X (in regards to the First Commandment):
15 Q: What else does the First Commandment forbid?
A: The First Commandment also forbids all dealings with the devil, and all association with anti-Christian sects.
Now please keep in mind that I'm quoting the last Pope who has been raised to the altars, before you again accuse of me being on a anti-papist rant.
Tell the Franciscans of the Immaculate about “warm and loving”.
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