Terri's Fight - (Daily Thread/Updates) October 30-31, 2003

Various | October 30, 2003 | sweetliberty

[sweetliberty]

TERRI'S FIGHT(Daily Thread 2 - October 30-31, 2003)Link back to thread 1 - October 29, 2003

Contained in thread 1:

Summary of Terri's bone scan, transcript from "On the Record" response from Bobby Schindler and Attny. Pat Anderson to Michael Schiavo's appearance on Larry King Live, link to where to search public records for Pinellas County (for a fee), information on Terri's Lights, link to transcript from Larry King Live interview with Michael Schiavo and George Felos, synopsis of radio interview with Michael Schiavo's brother in Pennsylvania, summary of interview with Pat Anderson on Michael Reagan's show, portion of testimony from Schiavo medical malpractice trial, some links to information on the Florida death cult, names and email address for the Florida Supreme Court, information on previous GAL, Richard Pearse, Jr., information on GAL currently being proposed Jay Wolfson and links back to earlier threads on the case. Of course this overview isn't comprehensive, but my main point in this section is to provide easy reference to what could be important information. Also, links to other websites focusing on Terri's fight can be found in thread 1, here.

Thanks to everyone for your contributions and for your dedication to this fight.

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Click on pic for Terri's Website.

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This thread serves as a place for posting all new general information and references, along with links following Terri's case, plus information on cable news and talk radio shows dealing with the issue, court cases and press releases. This is also the place to post contact information, prayers and general discussion.

FL_Engineer suggested that if you have something that qualifies as BREAKING NEWS or FRONT PAGE NEWS, please post it on a separate thread in that category in order to give it maximum exposure and then post a link to the article/thread here so that it will be included in the next update of links. Also, if you post links to articles from original sources and there is also a thread on FR, please link to the FR thread. Many original links become corrupt over time and we want to be able to access the information at will.

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Latest Threads On Terri's Case

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My apologies to (some of) the 'save Terri' posters here (a 'vanity' post)

EXCLUSIVE INTERVIEW - Schindlers Respond to Michael Schiavo's Larry King Love-Fest - PART1

Inside right-to-die case, a woman's real life (a few days old but not posted on first thread)

Michael Schiavo pleads case on CNN

What Should Happen With Terri S. (a "vanity" thread)

Schiavo lawyers challenge 'Terri's Law'

[Aliska]

A similar case in Florida:

Miami Gardens Woman has been caring for comatose woman for 33 years

Article in the Sun-Sentinal, October 30, 2003

[tutstar]

I think Graymatter hit on part of it.

I also think there have been a lot of shenanigans of sorts, in Pinellas county.
Maybe some attitudes towards women as well...who knows? For Greer to be on the bench when there were some things he should have done to be in the election and he didn't says a lot.

Someone posted something concerning 'a' Wolfson and a bankruptcy or similar financial problem. If it is the same guy that is one more reason that Wolfson should be disqualified as a GAL for anyone.
GAL qualifications are not that strict but they do emphasize on character.

Another thing is Pinellas county is one of 2 in FL that is getting funds for Guardianship Monitoring, they ought to be doing a better job!!!!!

I think that it has to be helpful for them to know folks are watching and paying attention, I pray it is.

[sweetliberty]

I just received this in my email from someone who is very involved with Terri's case.

nbc6.net
State Medical Directors Come Out Against 'Terri's Law'
Conservative Law Firm Asks To Intervene On Parents' Behalf
Associated Press
POSTED: 4:56 p.m. EST October 30, 2003
UPDATED: 5:18 p.m. EST October 30, 2003



TAMPA, Fla. -- The organization that represents doctors who work in hospices and nursing homes said Thursday that Florida lawmakers and Gov. Jeb Bush are interfering with private end-of-life decisions by blocking Terri Schiavo's death.

Meanwhile, the conservative law firm founded by religious broadcaster Pat Robertson asked Thursday to be allowed to intervene in the case on behalf of Schiavo's parents, Bob and Mary Schindler.



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State Circuit Court Judge W. Douglas Baird would have to grant the American Center for Law & Justice permission to enter the lawsuit filed by Michael Schiavo against the governor.

Jay Sekulow, chief counsel for the American Center for Law and Justice, said his firm is seeking to represent the Schindlers' interest in the constitutional challenge of the new law. The group decided to seek permission to enter the case after the American Civil Liberties Union joined George Felos, husband Michael Schiavo's attorney.

Felos said he had not seen the group's filing and could not comment on it specifically.

"I think ultimately various parties and groups, as this case goes up the appellate system, will be filing briefs and letting their position be known," Felos said.

The groups are the latest weighing in on Bush's action earlier this month that ordered doctors to reinsert the feeding tube that has been keeping the severely brain damaged woman alive. Her husband, Michael Schiavo, had sought to remove the tube, saying his wife did not want to be kept alive artificially. Doctors have said she is in a persistent vegetative state.

The statement released by the doctors does not have any legal implications, but Florida medical directors said the governor's actions to block Terri Schiavo's death violates federal law, state law and medical ethics.

"Requiring judicial and executive review of complex end-of-life decisions is an unnecessary intrusion into the private affairs of a patient and family -- at a most vulnerable time," the group said in its statement. "We believe, therefore, that this bill is unwise and should be overturned."

The feeding tube that has kept Terri Schiavo alive for more than a decade was removed Oct. 15 on her husband's orders. Michael Schiavo has said he is carrying out his wife's wishes to not be artificially kept alive. Her parents and siblings dispute that, saying say never expressed that wish to them.

Florida lawmakers and Bush intervened six days later, enacting a special law giving the governor the power to order the tube be reinserted. Terri Schiavo is now being cared for at the Pinellas Park Hospice, where she has lived for the past several years.

Howard Tuch, a board member and director of long-term care programs at Hospice of the Florida Suncoast in Sarasota, said although the new law was specifically defined to give the governor powers in the Schiavo case, it has had a further reach.

He said recently he dealt with a case of the family of an Alzheimer's disease patient who had lost the ability to swallow food and who had an advanced directive specifying no artificial life support.

While the family was at first comfortable with its decision not to have a feeding tube inserted, the massive publicity surrounding the governor's intervention and claims that the death would be a painful one caused them to order a tube be inserted.

The patient died within 48 hours, but Tuch said the case illustrates how distraught families and medical professionals have become about such decisions.

"This decision has raised the level of anxiety," Tuch said.

The doctors noted few people have advanced directives to indicate their decisions should something debilitating happen to them, and even fewer people have directives that address the specific technologies which exist in medicine to prolong life. That leaves the crucial decision on life or death up to a family member or designated surrogate, most often a spouse or an adult child.

"That has been undermined by this," Tuch said. "Even though this law is so narrow, if you didn't write it down, anyone in your family could rise to make an objection.

"We always worry about the cousin from California coming in and challenging a decision to do one thing or another. It's a mythical concern with end-of-life care issues. This raises what is mythical to a more present concern with us."

Bush has said he believes he did the right thing in stopping Terri Schiavo's death and is satisfied to let the matter now be handled by the courts.

Pat Anderson, the attorney representing the Schindlers' in their long legal battle against their son-in-law, said the facts of the Schiavo case are so unusual the law should not affect others. She said she had not seen the doctors' statement and declined to comment on it.

She said Terri Schiavo's reflexes have been improving in the week since the tube was reinserted. The 39-year-old is again smiling when her mother enters the room, Anderson said.

[tutstar]

I wonder how many of those doctors made their statement after reading only news reports (which are often slanted)?

Felos has outdone himself in getting this billed as an 'end of life' case. It is not, what about not using Fed funds to end life?

These articles make me want to go grrrrr...

[syriacus]

Jodi Centonzi has been promoted to vice president and general manager at Jerger & Sons Inc. in Pinellas Park. Centonzi was office manager. MEDICAL

I sounds like Michael has hooked up with a rising star.

Her name is also spelled Centonzi on sunbiz.org Document 220531 April 29 1998

[JustPiper]

Prayer vigil resumes for Terri -Schindlers scheduled for rebuttal on 'Larry King Live'

[jackibutterfly]

Hi! Mommy23 and everyone - I've just thought of a really great punishment for George Felos, if he is ever brought up on charges and prosecuted for attempted murder. You know how he wants to write another book, this time, maybe, on Terri. Well, the judge should order him to write that book, and do a really good job on it so it sells really well, and all the money made on that book (minus the publisher's fees) should go to Terri's rehab and care for the rest of her life. He should not make a dime. What say you? (Plus, he should be made to sell his million-dollar home and put the money in a trust for Terri's care.) Unfortunately, that will probably never happen. Oh, well, I can dream, can't I?

[cyn]

Jerger and Centonze insurnace (love the way they misspelled it on their webpage and in their papers -- why was that done?)

Is it confirmed that Richard Jerger her new doctor? If so, what a small world it is. So -- they doctor shopped after most other area physicians were too afraid to touch Terri Tuesday 10/21 at Morton Plant? I wish I knew everyone to ping -- sorry if you're not interested in this aspect; pls pass on to someone who is -- thanks so much. running out now, again...

[syriacus]

Awareness Seen in Vegetative Patients

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1011422/posts

[MagnoliaMS]

Please add me to your ping list, also. Thanks.

[Coral Snake]

I think I found a way we could bring not only Terri's but ALL SIMILAR CASES before the SCOTUS. There IS a Constitutional issue involved here If the Schindlers or the ACLJ are willing to bring it up and it is this. Is a law (The original starvation and dehydration for "vegitive" cases which would go back into effect if Terri's Law is ruled unconstitutional) that essentially allows CIVIL COURT judges to pass DEATH SENTENCES involving CRUEL AND UNUSUAL PUNISHMENT if they have received wrongful information about the person in question constitutional under the US Constitution.

[Ohioan from Florida]

Krodg is the one who found Jodi's name in the annual reports. Thanks, Krodg! You're an eagle eye!

[iowamomforfreedom]

Good point...

[iowamomforfreedom]

Oh, my, that one made me cry...

Thank you for posting it. It was lovely.

[Future Useless Eater]

>>the links you'all are providing seem to be disappearing...

Don't assume yet that the links are gone... Please start
over. For example, in post #43 note that the two links
that are 'GONE' are identical to each other. They are both

http://publicrecord.hillsclerk.com/pls/oridev/off_rec_pack.sbp

That is the generic URL that their search engine reports
REGARDLESS of which record they are displaying. So if you
start all over, and do a fresh search from:

http://publicrecord.hillsclerk.com

...then you will probably find again the record you had found the first time. (I couldn't tell for sure from post 43
what exactly that was)

[pollywog]

Would this be a good email address to try. I found it on their site

Speakout@foxnews.com

I think we ALL NEED to FREEP Fox on this one.

[Aliska]

After I posted, I saw someone made it a separate thread. Search on "Miami" and you can read the comments there. It moved me to tears, too.

I found it in the google archives, and a poster there commented, "her mother has turned her into a freak show and meal-ticket."

People have no concept of self-sacrifice any more. Most of us wouldn't be here if somebody hadn't lived a life of self-sacrifice of one sort or another. It just isn't in vogue in our hedonistic and "quality of life" society. That's what is sad.

Nobody starts off in life wanting these things, but they do happen to people. Getting rid of them prematurely was unheard of. I went to school with a girl who had unsuccessful brain surgery back in the early 50's. Her father brought her home in a coma and built a special bed so they could take care of her at home. Later they moved to California, and she died there about 5 years later. It was so sad, but people were really moved by their dedication to their daughter in the face of such adversity.

[Aliska]

I couldn't find it using the search function. Maybe it's just me. The separate thread is here

[Graymatter]

I still can't believe this is happening in America.
Her husband says Terri wouldn't want to live this way.
Her parents say she should live, because she can't speak for herself.
Her husband says she should die, because she can't speak for herself.

[pickyourpoison]

Did you ever read Hugh Finn's story, it's almost identical to Terri's. I was surprised at this happening in America.