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US-Russia relations deteriorating sharply, experts warn
The Financial Times ^ | June 7 2006 03:00 | Guy Dinmore

Posted on 06/06/2006 11:22:15 PM PDT by vertolet

Relations between the US and Russia are deteriorating badly and there is a danger of conflict in the flashpoints of the south Caucasus, according to senior former officials and corporate leaders advising the EastWest Institute (EWI).

EWI board members at the think-tank's annual meeting in Charleston were almost unanimous in calling for moves to prevent what one called an emerging "cold peace" between the US and Russia.

John Mroz, founder and president of EWI, called the deterioration worrisome. He placed the trend in the context of growing distrust between the major powers, including China, with the world in a state of transition between globalised and marginalised societies "no longer on automatic pilot moving towards a market-centric world".

This had resulted in the rise of ethnic and nationalist identities, with growing numbers seeing globalisation threatening their cultures and religion.

Western societies were also losing their moral authority, he said, citing the example of the reported massacre of Iraqi civilians by US troops in Haditha which would inflict "enormous damage" on the US.

Several speakers - who under EWU guidelines spoke on condition of anonymity - expressed concerns that "populist" presidents in Taiwan and Georgia risked overplaying their nationalist hands and triggering military incidents or conflict between the US and China, and the US and Russia.

With Montenegro newly independent, and Kosovo on the way to statehood, the dangers of domino-style conflict were rising in the breakaway, Russian-backed enclaves of Abkhazia and South Ossetia in Georgia.

"Georgia is an alarming situation and worse than thought," said one former official.

"The mood is ugly and getting uglier," said a corporate executive on the state of US-Russia ties.

Noting that every declared US presidential candidate was "bashing Russia", one speaker predicted a worsening trend as both countries headed towards elections in 2008.

Established in 1980, EWI describes itself as a "do-tank", working mostly behind the scenes directly with governments to address global security concerns. In the mid-80s it arranged "non-meetings" of senior US and Soviet defence officials in Budapest to discuss confidence-building measures.

Under a new initiative, Germany has seconded Ortwin Hennig, a senior official dealing in conflict prevention, to EWI to head a task force on US-Russia relations. Washington and Moscow are also each appointing a senior diplomat to focus on the south Caucasus. EWI is working with diplomats from all sides preparing for the G8 summit in St Petersburg next month.


TOPICS: Foreign Affairs; Politics/Elections; Russia; US: Washington
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To: Extremely Extreme Extremist

Cheney just called a spade a spade and the Russkies had a hissy-fit. ===

Cheney is extreme hypocrite. HE bashed Russia then next day he goes to Kazakhstan to praise Nazarbaev who sits in president chair 4th term continuously. Does Nazarbaev "democracy" is better then russian? Russia doesn't have the president who rules for 15 years and no stop.

Whole Russia sees that then people realizes that Cheney is just clown.


21 posted on 06/07/2006 1:34:58 AM PDT by RusIvan
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To: RusIvan

"Cheney is extreme hypocrite. HE bashed Russia then next day he goes to Kazakhstan to praise Nazarbaev who sits in president chair 4th term continuously. Does Nazarbaev "democracy" is better then russian? Russia doesn't have the president who rules for 15 years and no stop."

I think the jury is still out on Putin as to how long he intends to stay in office. The article made no mention of the deterioration in US-Russian relations that have occurred since Putin came to power:
1. Putin's role in blocking UN action on Iraq
2. Russia's role in cleaning Iraq of WMDs prior to the allied invasion
3. Russian sale of sophisticated naval weaponry to China
4. Efforts to overthrow democratic movements in the Ukraine and elsewhere.
5. Kazakhstan was an ally in the Iraq invasion and is also strategically important.

Cheney was promoting US national interests which is the purpose of foreign policy. You call Cheney a clown. But he has liberated more people and helped foster democracy in more countries than Putin ever will.


22 posted on 06/07/2006 3:33:52 AM PDT by Roy Tucker
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To: vertolet

Read the Bible. This isn't news.


24 posted on 06/07/2006 3:41:12 AM PDT by Frwy (Eternity without Jesus is a hell-of-a long time.)
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To: Clemenza
Both, however, DO NOT AGE WELL.

Well, on that score, you're right. But ANY woman might take half your money.

(Thank God, sincerely, that I've got a good one!)

25 posted on 06/07/2006 3:44:12 AM PDT by ovrtaxt (Diplomacy is the art of saying 'Nice doggie!'... till you can find a rock.)
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To: ovrtaxt

What's the old joke? "My wife made me a millionaire. I used to have two million."


26 posted on 06/07/2006 3:54:26 AM PDT by Roy Tucker
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To: vertolet
US-Russia relations deteriorating sharply, experts warn

In other related news, the sun rose in the east this morning, and is expected to cross the US from New York to Hawaii before sinking into the western sky later this evening.
27 posted on 06/07/2006 4:00:21 AM PDT by DustyMoment (FloriDUH - proud inventors of pregnant/hanging chads and judicide!!)
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To: Necronomicon
"First, you don't bash a nation who still has the potential to nuke you back to stone age"

You don't?
Iran, Bolivia, Cuba, the EU countries et al do that to the US all the time.
And..we used to have stronger words for the Rusians (Soviets) even during the cold war, when we were even more likely to start pummeling each other.


"Second, it isn't Russia who's pursuing a systematic policy of implementing military bases and supporting pro-Russian politicians in traditional US influence zones but the inverse"
The Russians have been pretty cozy with an Iran that is determined to get nuclear weapons, primarily to use against Israel and America.
And Iran to be a strong US influence zone.
And just in the past few months, the Russians have sold even more deadly weapons to America-hater, Hugo Chavez, right in our backyard.


"Third, the privilege to care about your own nation interests isn't an exclusivity of US conservatives. "

But we of course retain the right to care about our own country, same as the Russians do.
28 posted on 06/07/2006 4:42:24 AM PDT by Jameison
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To: vertolet

Our policy of blowing off Russia is bone-headed, if you ask me.


29 posted on 06/07/2006 5:01:54 AM PDT by Brilliant
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To: Extremely Extreme Extremist; Clemenza

Stereotyping!

My Stepson married a wonderful young woman from Minsk, Belarus. She is not manipulative or an ex-prostitute. Her values are as solid as any American woman, perhaps stronger. Also, she hasn't been tainted by the American feminist movement. Something that cannot be said for many young American women.


30 posted on 06/07/2006 5:11:05 AM PDT by GeorgefromGeorgia
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To: vertolet
Western societies were also losing their moral authority, he said, citing the example of the reported massacre of Iraqi civilians by US troops in Haditha which would inflict "enormous damage" on the US.

Very old, very tired propagandist trick: the alleged massacre allegedly happened in November, and was reported by one and only diaper-head "stringer" who just happened to leave the American jail-house... and he reported it by producing staged interviews with the alleged witnesses of the alleged massacre.

Nevertheless, the MSM and all the Al-Qaeda cheerleaders from the Left speak about this bullsh*t as if there is hard evidence of it, as if it were fact.

Only those who want to believe this, would.

As to the Russian (KGB rulers) being enemies of America, what's the news?

31 posted on 06/07/2006 5:13:03 AM PDT by Neophyte (Nazis, Communists, Islamists... what the heck is the difference?)
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To: RusIvan
Does Nazarbaev "democracy" is better then russian?

This question is irrelevant to the topic as well as Cheney's visit to Kazakhstan and what he did or didn't say there - and YOU KNOW THAT, Vanjusha!

Bulsh*tting again?

32 posted on 06/07/2006 5:21:43 AM PDT by Neophyte (Nazis, Communists, Islamists... what the heck is the difference?)
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To: Clemenza
If you can't get along with Russian women, there is obviously something wrong with YOU.

However, in the interests of improving your chances of finding love on Saturday night, I am enclosing the following information:

The countries with the lowest per capita GDP, as recorded by the International Monetary Fund.

Try getting your next mail-order bride from one of them.

171 Rwanda 242
172 Afghanistan 228
173 Sierra Leone 219
174 Eritrea 206
175 Guinea-Bissau 181
176 Malawi 161
177 Ethiopia 153
178 Democratic Republic of the Congo 119
179 Burundi 107
180 Myanmar 97

33 posted on 06/07/2006 5:23:39 AM PDT by Cheburashka (World's only Spatula City certified spatula repair and maintenance specialist!!!)
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To: Brilliant
Our policy of blowing off Russia is bone-headed, if you ask me.



I am generally favorably disposed towards Russia, but at this time I think it is the policy of the present government of Russia to blow off the U.S., rather than the reverse.
34 posted on 06/07/2006 5:29:20 AM PDT by Cheburashka (World's only Spatula City certified spatula repair and maintenance specialist!!!)
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To: Cheburashka

I think it's a mutual blow off. The problem is that we have the most to lose by it since they have vast natural resources, and are in position either to help us, or to help our enemies. If the situation is going to change, someone has got to take the first step, and unfortunately, our government has decided that it is going to stand on "principle" rather than trying to do something constructive. The result is that the Russians are helping our enemies instead of us. In the long run, that is going to come back to haunt us. Looking 20 years down the road, it may be that we are snatching defeat from the jaws of victory in the Cold War.


35 posted on 06/07/2006 5:45:16 AM PDT by Brilliant
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To: Brilliant
think it's a mutual blow off...If the situation is going to change, someone has got to take the first step,...



I disagree, I feel President Bush has made a real effort to open up relations with President Putin, and has been ignored, slapped down for his efforts. At some point you have to accept that the other guy has his agenda and that it doesn't include getting along.
I hope that the President after Putin will be more open to working with us.
Unlike many here at Free Republic, I have long since moved on from the Cold War, I realize that Russia is not the Soviet Union, and see opportunities there. But many Russians have not accepted that the dissolution of the Soviet Union and independence to the other former Soviet states means that Russia will not have the same importance in the world.
Some Russian are concentrating on restoring the Union (without the stupid ideology, of course). It's called looking to the past, and it means you're backing into the future, and when you back into the future, you don't see what's coming.
Putin is backing into the future.
37 posted on 06/07/2006 6:35:06 AM PDT by Cheburashka (World's only Spatula City certified spatula repair and maintenance specialist!!!)
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To: ChinaThreat

Even North Korea is civilized compared to Iran.


38 posted on 06/07/2006 1:11:07 PM PDT by Thunder90
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To: Cheburashka
I will trust Russia when it does these things:

1. Admit the responsibility for the crimes of communism and allow crimes against humanity trials to proceed, even if the defendants are dead.

2. Stop the sale of weapons to our enemies

3. Destroy all communist symbols, no matter how insignaficant, unless they are placed in a museum
4. Ban the KPRF and all Soviet and Mafia officials from running.
5. Free and fair elections and a free press.
39 posted on 06/07/2006 1:14:37 PM PDT by Thunder90
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To: lizol; Lukasz; strategofr; GSlob; spanalot; Thunder90; Tailgunner Joe; propertius; REactor; ...

PIng


40 posted on 06/07/2006 1:15:50 PM PDT by Thunder90
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