Skip to comments.Will FR embrace socialism to make way for Rudy Giuliani as a Republican presidential candidate?
Posted on 04/21/2007 6:42:25 PM PDT by Jim Robinson
We've got some real challenges facing us. FR was established to fight against government corruption, overstepping, and abuse and to fight for a return to the limited constitutional government as envisioned and set forth by our founding fathers in the Declaration of Independence and the Constitution and other founding documents.
One of the biggest cases of government corruption, overstepping and abuse that I know of is its disgraceful headlong slide into a socialist hell. Our founders never intended for abortion to be the law of the land. And they never intended the Supreme Court to be a legislative body. They never intended God or religion to be written out of public life. They never intended government to be used to deny God's existence or for government to be used to force sexual perversions onto our society or into our children's education curriculum. They never intend for government to disarm the people. They never intended for government to set up sanctuary cities for illegals. They never intended government to rule over the people and or to take their earnings or private property or to deprive them of their constitutional rights to free speech, free religion, private property, due process, etc. They never intended government to seize the private property of private citizens through draconian asset forfeiture laws or laws allowing government to take private property from lawful owners to give to developers. Or to seize wealth and redistribute it to others. Or to provide government forced health insurance or government forced retirement systems.
All of the above are examples of ever expanding socialism and tyranny brought to us by liberals/liberalism.
FR fights against the liberals/Democrats in all of these areas and always will. Now if liberalism infiltrates into the Republican party and Republicans start promoting all this socialist garbage, do you think that I or FR will suddenly stop fighting against it? Do you think I'm going to bow down and accept abortionism, feminism, homosexualism, global warming, illegal alien lawbreakers, gun control, asset forfeiture, socialism, tyranny, totalitarianism, etc, etc, etc, just so some fancy New York liberal lawyer can become president from the Republican party?
Do you really expect me to do that?
I am a conservative - we simply disagree. As I said, the Jim Robinson I thought I knew over the years would have been able to handle a political disagreement without resorting to the gutter rhetoric you’ve freely allowed here. I will never forgive you for calling me a treasonous liberal as long as I live.
“I’m kind of a “one issue” voter—My issue is the Constitution!”
That’s such a pesky thing. If we could just get rid of it, then there would be no reason not to support rudy!
Inalienable = That which cannot be transferred to another or others.
You don’t even know your own damn name.
Confidence of an imminent nuclear exchange is high.
Wow! You finally posted something accurate. Good job.
There are indeed many Freepers, and conservatives in general, who will not deviate from that litmus test and I understand their reasoning. But the pro-abortion candidates who are running for President on the Republican side have much more liberal baggage than just that. Do you see anyone in the field that will at least try to make significant cuts in the size of government?
Time to hit the hay.
And I think 9/11 changed everything.
Those people who think that Hillary is just like Rudy or Rudy just like Hillary crack me up.
Hillary hates the military and law enforcement. Rudy backs them up even when it’s not politically advantageous.
Hillary hates tax cuts. Rudy cut taxes 23 times and turned NYC’s deficit into a surplus.
Hillary wants to give us national healthcare which will bankrupt us. I could go on and on.
On social issues, Rudy is liberal. On everything else, he’s a conservative.
You obviously have mistaken me for someone who would put an actual value on something you are babbling about.
Perhaps you can look around and find some like-minded “Let’s teach ‘em a lessoner” and you all can pat yourself on the back, joking and laughing about how you’ve sure showed the GOP and screwed this damn country.
Actually, under Rudy it was 7110. It has come down since then. So, he shifted from taxes to fees. He gained a surplus by increasing revenue.
Of course that’s how you’d have to dismiss me, punk.
I’ve been waiting for the connection between Rudy and Anna Nicole to be explained all night.
So far no luck. Good night!
Yup. You got that exactly right.
It must be late - I see the bats have come out.
“You dont even know your own damn name.”
Wow, clever comeback -— not. Now get back to protecting your bitch.
But, quite apart from JimRob’s anything
FORGIVENESS IS SIMPLY
NOT AN OPTION
FOR ANYONE WHO WANT’S FORGIVEN.
Please reconsider. I suspect you are not perfect enough to never have needed and not to need now, any forgiveness . . . from an Almighty Perfect Father God.
Spiff man, I missed out on this great thread until now. Why didn’t you hit the ping list?
My bitch? What the hell are you talking about?
woofie wrote: “The Republican Party is sometimes referred to as the big tent party.... That allows a fair diversity of opinion....If true conservatives want to go it alone,ok ...they have tried it before ...it doesnt go very far”
woofie, I think the GOP over-reached on the big tent thing and lost sight of the vision thing.
Yes, some diversity of opinion can be a healthy thing, but the Republican moderates in the Senate got in bed with the Dim liberals and their combined votes beat down the conservatives too many times.
That’s how we wound up with the 2005 Highway Bill; pork, pork and more pork; a Senate which voted down drilling in ANWR at every opportunity; and finally a traitorous crook from Nevada as Senate majority leader.
Instead of providing a big tent for everyone, Reagan convinced Democrats amd independents to bring their own unbrellas and join him on the road to that shining city on a hill.
Ahhhh . . .
in terms of the emotions of this thread
in terms of Iran et al?
Sorry, I haven’t read every single post.
Are you speaking about yourself?
Makes perfect sense to the sober individual...guess that leaves you clueless!!!
in terms of the emotions of this thread
Freepmail me to be added or removed from this ping list.
Sorry I was so thickheaded and skipping posts.
I’ll have to take your word on the drinking.
Thanks NU. It’s an interesting thread.
Unless of course you are talking about the 1,000+ mile border that Al Qaeda types can just walk across.
“Only if by national heritage youre referring to the Salem witch trials.”
That was England, our national heritage really started almost a hundred years later.
I really wish I got here sooner. No telling what fun (polite way to put it) posts the Rudymites, especially one named after a fruit, have posted. Unfair.
When the spammers have shown up, it’s definitely time to call it quits.
The only lesson I aim to teach is to vote FOR your candidate because they represent YOUR values. I guess that notion is just beyond you. You most certainly seem to think that postition is worth demonizing. Hey, you just got told you have another thing in common with leftist liberals. ( Vote for who we say will win NOT who represents your actual values....accept the differences for victory)
And your own words back up what I said. What is being shown is that when you settle on a candidate for bandwagon reasons....the country loses. You still have yet to figure that out. Sadly, I don’t guess you will do so anytime soon.
No, actually I was talking about you - I’m going to go to bed now, way past my bedtime - but I wanted to remind you to be sure & quit posting before dawn, so you can get back into your crypt before sunrise.
Giuliani on Flat Tax: Just Kidding
FILE UNDER: Rudy Giuliani
Rudy Giuliani, fresh off winning the endorsement of Steve Forbes, now says he was just kidding when he said he thought the flat tax was a good idea.
“I didn’t favor it, I said something academic,” Giuliani said at a press conference in Florida on Saturday, in response to a reporter asking him why he had switched from opposing a flat tax to favoring it. “What I said was, and it was not a joke, but it was half-jocular, was if we didn’t have an income tax...what would I favor?
“First I would favor no tax,” he said laughing and turning to his wife Judith, who duly smiled back. “That would be my first position. My second position would probably be a flat tax.”
But, he said, the tax “would probably not be feasible.”
Someone should tell Forbes.
I hope that puts it to rest for the Rooty Rooters that claim that liberal POS is for the flat tax. He isn’t and never was!
But I didn’t say I’d vote for her. I think she would be less dangerous than Rudy, and I think she would likely be tougher on the rag-heads.
As far as I’m concerned, on social issues they are two peas from the same pod. NO THANKS! I’ll vote for a conservative.
So your mother IS making you get offline. I knew it.
OK, I agree with everything you said. But we *MUST* deal with this issue in the primaries. We need a solid conservative candidate who can beat Hillary. Fine.
But what *if* we end up with a Hillary vs. Rudy race? I'm sorry, but that woman is plain evil. Withholding our votes from Rudy would put Hillary in the White house and we do *not* want that. We'd have universal health care within 4 years. My husband was in the military during the Clinton Reign and we do not want to live through that nightmare again. (crappy funding, crappy pay, being used for every peacekeeping mission on the planet, downsizing, etc.) She's not a socialist. She is a straight-up Commie with a capital "C".
Rudy is NOT a great conservative candidate, but he does respect the military and he does "get" the war on terror. IMHO, he really is preferable to Hillary and, *if* the race comes down between the two, I'll vote my butt off in Rudy's direction.
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