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Will FR embrace socialism to make way for Rudy Giuliani as a Republican presidential candidate?
vanity | April 21, 2007 | Jim Robinson

Posted on 04/21/2007 6:42:25 PM PDT by Jim Robinson

We've got some real challenges facing us. FR was established to fight against government corruption, overstepping, and abuse and to fight for a return to the limited constitutional government as envisioned and set forth by our founding fathers in the Declaration of Independence and the Constitution and other founding documents.

One of the biggest cases of government corruption, overstepping and abuse that I know of is its disgraceful headlong slide into a socialist hell. Our founders never intended for abortion to be the law of the land. And they never intended the Supreme Court to be a legislative body. They never intended God or religion to be written out of public life. They never intended government to be used to deny God's existence or for government to be used to force sexual perversions onto our society or into our children's education curriculum. They never intend for government to disarm the people. They never intended for government to set up sanctuary cities for illegals. They never intended government to “rule” over the people and or to take their earnings or private property or to deprive them of their constitutional rights to free speech, free religion, private property, due process, etc. They never intended government to seize the private property of private citizens through draconian asset forfeiture laws or laws allowing government to take private property from lawful owners to give to developers. Or to seize wealth and redistribute it to others. Or to provide government forced health insurance or government forced retirement systems.

All of the above are examples of ever expanding socialism and tyranny brought to us by liberals/liberalism.

FR fights against the liberals/Democrats in all of these areas and always will. Now if liberalism infiltrates into the Republican party and Republicans start promoting all this socialist garbage, do you think that I or FR will suddenly stop fighting against it? Do you think I'm going to bow down and accept abortionism, feminism, homosexualism, global warming, illegal alien lawbreakers, gun control, asset forfeiture, socialism, tyranny, totalitarianism, etc, etc, etc, just so some fancy New York liberal lawyer can become president from the Republican party?

Do you really expect me to do that?


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To: T'wit
My understanding is, and remains, that the original Constitution did not set conditions for state and local offices. The phrase "under the United States" means the federal government, not the several states.

Your understanding is flawed, - as can be read. -- I'll highlight the points where state officials & offices are mentioned:

"-- This Constitution, and the Laws of the United States which shall be made in Pursuance thereof; and all Treaties made, or which shall be made, under the Authority of the United States, shall be the supreme Law of the Land; and the Judges in every State shall be bound thereby, any Thing in the Constitution or Laws of any state to the Contrary notwithstanding.
The Senators and Representatives before mentioned, and the Members of the several State Legislatures, and all executive and judicial Officers, both of the United States and of the several States, shall be bound by Oath or Affirmation, to support this Constitution; but no religious Test shall ever be required as a Qualification to any Office or public Trust under the United States. --"


Thus, all 'offices or public trusts' are under [subject to] the [constitution of] the United States.

In fact, even ordinary people are subject to abusing our Constitution if acting under color of law:

"-- Title 18, U.S.C., Section 242 Deprivation of Rights Under Color of Law

This statute makes it a crime for any person acting under color of law, statute, ordinance, regulation, or custom to willfully deprive or cause to be deprived from any person those rights, privileges, or immunities secured or protected by the Constitution and laws of the U.S. Acts under "color of any law" include acts not only done by federal, state, or local officials within the bounds or limits of their lawful authority, but also acts done without and beyond the bounds of their lawful authority; provided that, in order for unlawful acts of any official to be done under "color of any law," the unlawful acts must be done while such official is purporting or pretending to act in the performance of his/her official duties.
This definition includes, in addition to law enforcement officials, individuals such as Mayors, Council persons, Judges, Nursing Home Proprietors, Security Guards, etc., persons who are bound by laws, statutes ordinances, or customs. --"

18,201 posted on 05/05/2007 2:51:41 PM PDT by tpaine (" My most important function on the Supreme Court is to tell the majority to take a walk." -Scalia)
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To: tpaine

I stated correctly that the original Constitution did not set conditions for state and local offices. When you cite Title 18 as setting such conditions maybe 200 years later, you certainly prove me right that it wasn’t in the original Constitution.


18,202 posted on 05/05/2007 7:46:42 PM PDT by T'wit (Confidence in science rests on belief in God's order and will not long survive loss of this belief.)
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To: Jim Robinson

One thing struck me as odd in your reply. You listed all of the things that President Bush is, and I agree with you for the most part. He is all of those things, and like Giuliani he is a pro illegal alien supporter. Which you say is “totally unacceptable to conservatives”. We just didn’t know it when we voted for him.

I haven’t made up my mind on any of the candidates yet, we haven’t had the time to decipher or digest what they all really stand for. That comes with debate, here and amongst the candidates.

I’m not pushing to deny anyone, nor advocating for anyone to limit or deny others of thier rights, if I am advocating anything it would be that we further our right of free speech with open and honest debate.


18,203 posted on 05/05/2007 9:20:05 PM PDT by snodog
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To: snodog

Sorry, liberals need not apply.


18,204 posted on 05/05/2007 9:22:43 PM PDT by Jim Robinson
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To: snodog

Our God-given unalienable rights are not open to debate, negotiation or compromise!


18,205 posted on 05/05/2007 9:23:31 PM PDT by Jim Robinson (Our God-given unalienable rights are not open to debate, negotiation or compromise!)
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To: snodog
We just didn’t know it when we voted for him.

Everyone knew - they just pretended.
http://www.freerepublic.com/forum/a395df16c059b.htm#21

18,206 posted on 05/05/2007 9:30:47 PM PDT by donna (Men are the new women.)
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To: betty boop

Thank you for your outstanding essay-post and thank you for keeping me in the loop!


18,207 posted on 05/05/2007 10:02:41 PM PDT by Alamo-Girl
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To: metmom; T'wit
My recipe, from the Betty Crocker Cookbook, missing the copy right page but it was somewhere around 1956, calls for:

1 C. soft butter
1/2 C. sugar
2 ½ C. sifted Gold Medal Flour

Chill the dough before rolling out 1/3 to 1/2" thick. Cut into small shapes before baking.

Other than that, it's pretty much the same as the one T'wit posted.

18,208 posted on 05/06/2007 12:41:26 AM PDT by BykrBayb (May the way of the hero lead to the triforce! Þ)
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To: BykrBayb
Guard that Betty Crocker! Take out an insurance policy on it! They are treasures and in my experience, you can't find one. In fact, I just checked a major second-hand source and came up empty.

P.S. Try the fluffy meat loaf :-)

18,209 posted on 05/06/2007 4:30:20 AM PDT by T'wit (Confidence in science rests on belief in God's order and will not long survive loss of this belief.)
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To: T'wit

We still use Mom’s Household Searchlight Recipe Book from 1938. Still has her handwritten addition of a lefse recipe.

She used to joke that our underwear said Gold Medal Flour.


18,210 posted on 05/06/2007 4:52:16 AM PDT by 8mmMauser (Jezu ufam tobie...Jesus I trust in Thee)
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To: T'wit

I was doing OK until the meatloaf.... urp.... excuse me....


18,211 posted on 05/06/2007 5:06:58 AM PDT by metmom (Welfare was never meant to be a career choice.)
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To: BykrBayb

Thanks. Sounds good, too.


18,212 posted on 05/06/2007 5:08:45 AM PDT by metmom (Welfare was never meant to be a career choice.)
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To: T'wit

Hey I found and ordered a 1950 Betty Crocker Cookbook about 6 months ago. This cookbook is hard bound whereas the one I learned to cook from was in notebook form and they are exactly the same ... page by page... the divider pages are same color just no tabs.


18,213 posted on 05/06/2007 5:17:17 AM PDT by Just mythoughts
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To: Just mythoughts
I think you got lucky :-) I also have both and couldn't believe my luck in finding a nearly new version of the notebook version. The other one is held together with duct tape :-)

Fwiw, all I could find in the second-hand books place was a kiddie version -- for $58. Yeeks.

18,214 posted on 05/06/2007 8:06:16 AM PDT by T'wit (Confidence in science rests on belief in God's order and will not long survive loss of this belief.)
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To: metmom
>> I was doing OK until the meatloaf.... urp.... excuse me....

Only kind of meatloaf I've ever thoroughly enjoyed. I've have prepared this recipe so often over years that the cookbook falls open to the right page. Don't worry about the "fluffy" -- that just means throw in some torn up bread to keep the loaf from turning into brick. It is the seasoning that makes this one different.

18,215 posted on 05/06/2007 8:12:44 AM PDT by T'wit (Confidence in science rests on belief in God's order and will not long survive loss of this belief.)
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To: 8mmMauser
I don't know that one. One I inherited from my grandmother was the Settlement Cookbook. That goes back to about 1900, so you know it's a no-nonsense guide. It was reissued not so terribly long ago. I found one in a store and anxiously opened it to chicken soup -- and was immensely relieved to see that the recipe still includes chicken feet :-)

So what IS your mother's lefse recipe? Don't just brag about having it, share!

18,216 posted on 05/06/2007 8:18:41 AM PDT by T'wit (Confidence in science rests on belief in God's order and will not long survive loss of this belief.)
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To: RachelFaith; tpaine; Alamo-Girl; T'wit; hosepipe; Quix
Man does not make law, nor can he change law.... Man makes statutes. These statutes are either in harmony with and supportive of Natural Self Evident Law of God, or said statutes are in conflict and rebellion with the Law.... And man has again a duty to disregard unlawful orders (statutes).

Beautifully said, RachelFaith! We need to understand this principle if we want to understand the Constitution according to the Framers' original understanding and intent. Indeed, the Founding generation executed its duty to disregard unlawful orders, and ended up having a war to make the point....

18,217 posted on 05/06/2007 9:54:26 AM PDT by betty boop ("Science without religion is lame, religion without science is blind." -- A. Einstein.)
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To: betty boop; RachelFaith

Very well said, RachelFaith! Thank you for the ping, dearest sister in Christ!


18,218 posted on 05/06/2007 10:06:57 AM PDT by Alamo-Girl
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To: T'wit

It’s the texture of the ground beef. I can’t stand meatballs either, they’re just little round meatloafs.


18,219 posted on 05/06/2007 10:22:22 AM PDT by metmom (Welfare was never meant to be a career choice.)
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To: metmom

I’ll bet you’d like a meatloaf sandwich!


18,220 posted on 05/06/2007 11:50:58 AM PDT by rottndog (This Tagline currently closed for maintenance and rehabilitation.)
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