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Will FR embrace socialism to make way for Rudy Giuliani as a Republican presidential candidate?
vanity | April 21, 2007 | Jim Robinson

Posted on 04/21/2007 6:42:25 PM PDT by Jim Robinson

We've got some real challenges facing us. FR was established to fight against government corruption, overstepping, and abuse and to fight for a return to the limited constitutional government as envisioned and set forth by our founding fathers in the Declaration of Independence and the Constitution and other founding documents.

One of the biggest cases of government corruption, overstepping and abuse that I know of is its disgraceful headlong slide into a socialist hell. Our founders never intended for abortion to be the law of the land. And they never intended the Supreme Court to be a legislative body. They never intended God or religion to be written out of public life. They never intended government to be used to deny God's existence or for government to be used to force sexual perversions onto our society or into our children's education curriculum. They never intend for government to disarm the people. They never intended for government to set up sanctuary cities for illegals. They never intended government to “rule” over the people and or to take their earnings or private property or to deprive them of their constitutional rights to free speech, free religion, private property, due process, etc. They never intended government to seize the private property of private citizens through draconian asset forfeiture laws or laws allowing government to take private property from lawful owners to give to developers. Or to seize wealth and redistribute it to others. Or to provide government forced health insurance or government forced retirement systems.

All of the above are examples of ever expanding socialism and tyranny brought to us by liberals/liberalism.

FR fights against the liberals/Democrats in all of these areas and always will. Now if liberalism infiltrates into the Republican party and Republicans start promoting all this socialist garbage, do you think that I or FR will suddenly stop fighting against it? Do you think I'm going to bow down and accept abortionism, feminism, homosexualism, global warming, illegal alien lawbreakers, gun control, asset forfeiture, socialism, tyranny, totalitarianism, etc, etc, etc, just so some fancy New York liberal lawyer can become president from the Republican party?

Do you really expect me to do that?


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To: truth_seeker

“And up to the post number here, there has not been one single word in this thread about national security, world terror threat.”
“The site is less and less in touch with reality,”

You need to reread the thread.


321 posted on 04/21/2007 8:01:49 PM PDT by ansel12 ((America, love it ,or at least give up your home citizenship before accepting ours too.))
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To: IndySecurityMom

“One step forward, two steps back is better than annhilation at the hands of Hillary or Obama.”

No...it’s not.


322 posted on 04/21/2007 8:02:12 PM PDT by Bigh4u2 (Denial is the first requirement to be a liberal)
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To: Strategerist
But our country is nothing like California

FWIW, overall, It's more like California than it is like FR - simple reality.

More donations to FR come from California than any other state.

323 posted on 04/21/2007 8:02:17 PM PDT by Doe Eyes
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To: Jim Robinson
I've got your six on that all the way.

I'm not here to support anything else.
Socialism is simply antithetical to the republic our Founders established.

324 posted on 04/21/2007 8:03:00 PM PDT by TigersEye (For Democrats; victory in Iraq is not an option.)
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To: Enosh

Conservatives are tired of being told they support Hillary simply because they don’t support Rudy.

While I’m certain pro-rudy people are tired of things said about them as well, this is a conservative site, and conservatives are getting tired of being attacked by pro-rudy people. One is calling conservative liars, one said we would have the blood of aborted babies on our hands if we didn’t vote for Rudy who supports abortion.

I don’t think the pro-rudy people realise how bizarre that was, seeing a pro-lifer post that we should vote for a pro-abortion candidate or else we’d be responsible for abortion.

It was like hearing someone say they would help load up jews on the train for Auchwitz if they thought getting the train to move quicker might mean fewer people were put on the train.


325 posted on 04/21/2007 8:03:22 PM PDT by CharlesWayneCT
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To: Jim Robinson

I won’t - I will not support socialism, and I won’t support anybody that doesn’t strongly support the second amendment.


326 posted on 04/21/2007 8:03:23 PM PDT by meyer (Bring back the Contract with America and you'll bring back the Republican majority.)
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To: Jim Robinson
Jim, let me try one Hail Mary pass to reform Rudy, although Hail Mary passes have a very low completion rate. As mayor of NY, Rudy was in one of the biggest liberal cesspools on earth. The fact that he did reform the NY crime situation and the budget in a total left wing climate are good signs.

But as mayor of that city he was going to support liberal policies. For example, no way he wouldn't want federal welfare for illegals, because he had a ton of them living in his city.

Will he become more conservative as he runs for the whole country, not just NYC? I think the only honest answer is he will somewhat, but not on all the issues. Many of them he will stick with just to show that he is consistent. So the best hope is that Thompson overtakes him because most people here don't like McCain and who else is going to do it?

327 posted on 04/21/2007 8:03:30 PM PDT by Williams
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To: staytrue
If Rudy wins the primary, then you must support him.

This is how I look at it. If Rudy wins the nomination then we have already lost the election. The general election is then about damage control.

328 posted on 04/21/2007 8:03:37 PM PDT by HarmlessLovableFuzzball
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To: devolve; PhilDragoo

Bump for an excellent anti-Hillary rant!


329 posted on 04/21/2007 8:03:50 PM PDT by potlatch
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To: Jim Robinson

Well, he’s certainly no George Bush is he?


330 posted on 04/21/2007 8:04:11 PM PDT by ShadowDancer ("To succeed in life, you need three things: a wishbone, a backbone and a funny bone.")
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To: staytrue
If Rudy wins the primary, then you must support him.

NO, YOU MUST VOTE FOR A 3RD PARTY CONSERVATIVE CANDIDATE OR YOU KEEP THE NATION IN A CONTINUAL SHIFT TO THE LEFT. FACE IT...A VOTE FOR GIULIANI IS A VOTE FOR A DEMOCRAT.

331 posted on 04/21/2007 8:04:14 PM PDT by politicalwit (Family values don't stop at the border...but Federal laws do.)
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To: Peach
>>>>This is the forum that largely chose Alan Keyes as the presidential candidate in 2000 so I’m not terribly worried that they don’t like Rudy. LOL

That's a crock of crap!!!

I was here in 1999 and most FReepers supported GW Bush. In fact, JimRob bounced many rightwingers who were just here to cause trouble and rightly so.

This time around Jim`s not gonna stand for BS from you Rudy loving Republican leftwingers, who think trashing conservative candidates and promoting liberal candidates is a good thing.

Btw, what happened to ALL your posts promoting Rudy Giuliani for POTUS, and ALL your posts trashing Ronald Reagan? Haven't seen any lately. Maybe you're scared Jim's working on you next. LOL

332 posted on 04/21/2007 8:05:39 PM PDT by Reagan Man (FUHGETTABOUTIT Rudy....... Conservatives don't vote for liberals!)
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To: Blackirish

If elected, I believe he would. After election, the base can be ignored. (FWIW, I think Pres. Bush and the ‘pubs were hurt more on the spending and big gov’t issues than anything else in 2006)


333 posted on 04/21/2007 8:05:43 PM PDT by dynachrome ("Where am I? Where am I going? Why am I in a handbasket?")
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To: conservative in nyc

So you think Rudy MIGHT pick a conservative justice because of Ted Olsen?

I can still recall a post-presidency interview with Bush 41, and the topic being Souter. The elder was obviously distraught in his choice and kept saying that his advisors ASSURED him Souter was the only conversative that would pass the confirmation hearings.

That did a lot of good for us, didn’t it?


334 posted on 04/21/2007 8:05:54 PM PDT by beancounter13
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To: MrEdd; Jim Robinson
Loved the pics!

Smart players will decline the Giuliani Gambit!

335 posted on 04/21/2007 8:05:58 PM PDT by tarheelswamprat (So what if I'm not rich? So what if I'm not one of the beautiful people? At least I'm not smart...)
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To: veronica
The only question is, will those who support Rudy be allowed to post here.

Well let me put it this way, I'm checking your FR profile and those of your fellow RudyBots about every 10 minutes.
336 posted on 04/21/2007 8:05:58 PM PDT by mkjessup (Jan 20, 2009 - "We Don't Know. Where Rudy Went. Just Glad He's Not. The President. Burma Shave.")
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To: staytrue
If Rudy wins the primary, and you support the democrat or an unelectable 3rd party, then I am out of here and probably more than just me because we love the US, and opposing Rudy after the primary is supporting the destruction of the US as we know it.

I'm with you on not supporting a third party candidate.

Any real conservative candidate who isn't some Hillary put-up and who really wants to win will put his name in the Republican primaries.

Why? Because that's where the conservative voters are.

337 posted on 04/21/2007 8:06:08 PM PDT by FreeReign
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To: joesbucks

Ok, we’ll pick an item from my list and let you go for it. Please name the founding fathers you think would go for abortion. How about partial birth abortion? How about taxpayer funded abortion? Do you think the founding fathers would say that abortionism is next to Godliness or would they think it’s a purely evil and barbaric practice? How many founding fathers thought they were writing “A woman’s right to choose abortion” into the constitution? Please name them and provide examples from their quotations and writings on the topic. When did the founding fathers debate abortion rights at the constitutional convention? Which founders were on each side of the debate? Where are the minutes or notes of the debate? Where are the letters, books, etc, written by our founders regarding the big abortion debate?

Please answer these questions, then we’ll tackle the next issue.


338 posted on 04/21/2007 8:06:16 PM PDT by Jim Robinson
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To: Jim Robinson
I will never vote for Mr. Giuliani or for Mrs. Bill Clinton.
Mr. Giuliani will destroy the Republican Party if nominated.
I support Fred Thompson.
P.S I also support Jim R. It is time to clear the decks. Trolls, RINOs et al, just take up cyberspace.
339 posted on 04/21/2007 8:06:17 PM PDT by TWhiteBear
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To: Godebert
..just so some fancy New York liberal lawyer

..you supported Arnold over the Conservative McClintock.

It's really a NY thing. Arnold is conservative, don't you know./s
340 posted on 04/21/2007 8:06:57 PM PDT by presently no screen name
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