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Will FR embrace socialism to make way for Rudy Giuliani as a Republican presidential candidate?
vanity | April 21, 2007 | Jim Robinson

Posted on 04/21/2007 6:42:25 PM PDT by Jim Robinson

We've got some real challenges facing us. FR was established to fight against government corruption, overstepping, and abuse and to fight for a return to the limited constitutional government as envisioned and set forth by our founding fathers in the Declaration of Independence and the Constitution and other founding documents.

One of the biggest cases of government corruption, overstepping and abuse that I know of is its disgraceful headlong slide into a socialist hell. Our founders never intended for abortion to be the law of the land. And they never intended the Supreme Court to be a legislative body. They never intended God or religion to be written out of public life. They never intended government to be used to deny God's existence or for government to be used to force sexual perversions onto our society or into our children's education curriculum. They never intend for government to disarm the people. They never intended for government to set up sanctuary cities for illegals. They never intended government to “rule” over the people and or to take their earnings or private property or to deprive them of their constitutional rights to free speech, free religion, private property, due process, etc. They never intended government to seize the private property of private citizens through draconian asset forfeiture laws or laws allowing government to take private property from lawful owners to give to developers. Or to seize wealth and redistribute it to others. Or to provide government forced health insurance or government forced retirement systems.

All of the above are examples of ever expanding socialism and tyranny brought to us by liberals/liberalism.

FR fights against the liberals/Democrats in all of these areas and always will. Now if liberalism infiltrates into the Republican party and Republicans start promoting all this socialist garbage, do you think that I or FR will suddenly stop fighting against it? Do you think I'm going to bow down and accept abortionism, feminism, homosexualism, global warming, illegal alien lawbreakers, gun control, asset forfeiture, socialism, tyranny, totalitarianism, etc, etc, etc, just so some fancy New York liberal lawyer can become president from the Republican party?

Do you really expect me to do that?


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To: NittanyLion

Dd he post on this thread?


3,761 posted on 04/22/2007 8:14:29 PM PDT by CharlesWayneCT
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To: trussell

Wow— so sorry :-( Every 3 years... dang.

They never caught my assailant. Just had to keep plugging away at life. Not easy.


3,762 posted on 04/22/2007 8:14:54 PM PDT by VictoryGal (Never give up, never surrender!)
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To: mkjessup; Jim Robinson; All
Well, there is Peach, FairOpinion, Katie-O, habs4ever (not sure if that puke was a RudyBot or just a sleeper troll), Quidnuc, CeltJewLibertarian, there may be others but those are the ones who come to mind first.

You don't know what the hell you're talking about, junior. Those folks have been around longer than you have. They have a right to speak their minds. In case you forgot, we do live in a country that allows that(unless Her Heinousness is elected next year).

Jim, this is your site, and you can do whatever you want. But this is starting to look like some witchunt for sleeper trolls who are good FReepers, with other trolls throwing fuel on the fire and pointing the finger.

I don't like Rudy's positions anymore than you do. In fact, I've reconsidered my own stance and will vote for McCain! against him in the primary if it comes to it. But, if he should somehow win the nomination, I'll vote for him if it means keeping a RAT, especially "You Know Who" out of the White House.

I think all conservatives, libertarians, and other people in their right frame of mind would agree that should she gain the keys to the Oval Office, we're all finished. After she gets the RAT controlled Congress congress to push through a new "Fairness Doctrine", which will be one of the first things on her list, she'll go after Rush, Hannity, Ingraham, Levin, etc. trying to muzzle them. Guess what folks, WE WILL BE NEXT.

My point to everybody is to take a chill pill, be you a Rudy supporter, Romney backer, or Fredhead. Adhere to Ronald Reagan's 11th Commandment. We can have our spirited, but not mean-spirited, debates here, but once one candidate has been settled on, we all back him or her.

Nothing good will come of people sitting home next year, just like nothing good came out of the fiasco last year...

3,763 posted on 04/22/2007 8:14:59 PM PDT by ABG(anybody but Gore) ("We're Living In A Twilight World..."- Swingout Sister)
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To: Iwo Jima
You're nuts if you think he can't take the midwest.

He would roll through every "Red" midwestern state and would probably win some blue ones (Michigan, Minnesota, Wisconsin, Illinois?) as well.

3,764 posted on 04/22/2007 8:15:29 PM PDT by cicero's_son (Vote Rudy! Annoy a wingnut.)
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To: Registered; dirtboy
Who are you and what have you done to promote Conservatism? Nothing. LOL

You have no idea of what you're talking about.

That's another thing I remember about you. And I remember you coming into the very first thread that Duncan Hunter's son Sam was on, trashing his father, slinging that same lying liberal BS around, and your credibility plummeted after that dismal evening, and despite your whining to the moderator (that was last month, March 13th, in case you forgot), none of your deleted posts were restored, and dirtboy ate your lunch and took your lunch money. It was a helluva show.

And then there is this:

To: All
As long as all of you right wing whack jobs stay in this thread, FR will be just fine through the '08 elections! Kudos to ZULU for rounding you all up! ATTABOY ZULU!

312 posted on 03/03/2007 9:45:42 PM CST by Registered

Now what was that you were saying about 'promoting Conservatism'?
3,765 posted on 04/22/2007 8:15:37 PM PDT by mkjessup (Jan 20, 2009 - "We Don't Know. Where Rudy Went. Just Glad He's Not. The President. Burma Shave.")
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To: stephenjohnbanker

I guarantee you that will happen. If Thompson loses the general, people here will blame Rudy for “dividing the party” (whatever that means) during the primary. You will never see anyone here take responsibility.

Its like the Katherine Harris race in FL. We threw that seat away, because the base got their way and got her nominated - even though they were told 10000 times she had no chance of winning the general. she got 38% of the vote - who was blamed? “the party and RNC apparatus didn’t back her strongly enough”.


3,766 posted on 04/22/2007 8:16:05 PM PDT by oceanview
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To: redgolum

“The Rudy supporters don’t want to argue the facts, it all emotion. They claim that he is the only one who can beat Hillary, which in fact the only way he would have a shot is if he ran in the DNC primary. When asked for what he stands, the only thing they say is “A strong war on terror!”. Which is OK, but pretty meaningless.
I have been called a religious extremist, bigot, anti abortion fanatic, and whole host of other names just because I do not and will not support a man who holds none of the views I do. The last time I got hit with those ad homonyms, was on a more liberal site.

This whole thing is weird to me, and I honestly think that the GOP’s days are numbered. They are trying to move so far to the left, the base voters won’t follow. Of course, many here will now say “We have to! We have lost Ohio, New Mexico, and most of the eastern states! We need to converge and drop the social conservatives by moving to the left!”

I guess if that is the plan, then so be it. Here I stand, I can stand no where else. If the new GOP is in the shape of Rudy, then I guess I will not be in it.

You nailed it!


3,767 posted on 04/22/2007 8:16:45 PM PDT by stephenjohnbanker ( Hunter/Thompson/Thompson/Hunter in 08! Or Rudy/Hillary if you want to murder conservatism)
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To: SittinYonder

“I think he’s (Rudy) a mistake for the Republican Party nomination. But I do understand why he is appealing to people”

Me too. If you support abortion, restricting guns,open borders, special rights for gays, no experience on foreign and military matters...he is very appealing to these types.


3,768 posted on 04/22/2007 8:16:56 PM PDT by rbmillerjr ("Message to radical jihadis...come to my hood, it's understood ------ it's open season" Stuck Mojo)
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To: ABG(anybody but Gore)

What you said.


3,769 posted on 04/22/2007 8:17:01 PM PDT by mware (By all that you hold dear..Doing real on this good earth... I bid you stand! Men of the West!)
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To: mware

That’s a great picture, thanks for posting it!


3,770 posted on 04/22/2007 8:17:42 PM PDT by mkjessup (Jan 20, 2009 - "We Don't Know. Where Rudy Went. Just Glad He's Not. The President. Burma Shave.")
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To: Politicalmom

** and after he refused to support his daughters, the family was being supported by their church for a while.**

I knew about the divorces, but I did not know about this. Thanks.


3,771 posted on 04/22/2007 8:17:43 PM PDT by Salvation (" With God all things are possible. ")
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To: mkjessup

That was a joke goober. LOL. LOL.


3,772 posted on 04/22/2007 8:19:27 PM PDT by Registered (Politics is the art of the possible)
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To: Chuck Dent; Salvation; Coleus
Look, you may not believe this, but I agree with you.

You're right that I don't believe you. It's comments like these that make it impossible:

The reason the Republican party is NOT the Conservative party, nor holds many conservative ideals, is that approximately 50% of registered Republicans are female. When it comes to women, no matter how pro-life they are in philosophy, when push comes to shove, they are all pro-choice.

It's no surprise some of the biggest Rudy supporters at FR (alive & banned) are women. The basic reality is that women are preventing the R party from moving anymore rightward.

This one’s my favorite. I hear so often that Christians and other religious women never abort. After all, a woman who believes in God could never end her pregnancy. The numbers beg to differ:
Forty-three percent of women obtaining abortions identify themselves as Protestant, and 27% as Catholic.
That’s right; Christians account for a full 70% of all abortions obtained in the United States.

Your comments have nothing to do with whether or not SD results will be repeated elsewhere in the country.

Your comments were blanket statements about women that are certainly untrue. And gloating that 70% of the women obtaining abortions are *Christian* doesn't help your credibility.

3,773 posted on 04/22/2007 8:19:57 PM PDT by metmom (Welfare was never meant to be a career choice.)
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To: Jim Robinson

No!! Rudy must not win the nomination!!


3,774 posted on 04/22/2007 8:20:16 PM PDT by chesley ("Socialism" - The devil made them do it..)
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To: La Enchiladita
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3,775 posted on 04/22/2007 8:20:31 PM PDT by 1COUNTER-MORTER-68 (THROWING ANOTHER BULLET-RIDDLED TV IN THE PILE OUT BACK~~~~~)
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To: SittinYonder
I assumed it was because he was a noob who was getting too many jollies watching longtime freepers get banned.

Hey, it was all part of the cover charge, along with the buffet and the complimentary drink.

It was sickening to me to read his posts.

I must have missed the posts you read. I thought he made some damn good points during his brief visit.
3,776 posted on 04/22/2007 8:20:47 PM PDT by mkjessup (Jan 20, 2009 - "We Don't Know. Where Rudy Went. Just Glad He's Not. The President. Burma Shave.")
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To: cicero's_son

Excuse me but who exactly are you refering to as “wingnuts”?


3,777 posted on 04/22/2007 8:20:59 PM PDT by Dstorm
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To: CharlesWayneCT

Your unfailingly calm, courteous and dignified efforts to elucidate actual relevant information and keep the discussion focused on the issues is much appreciated.


3,778 posted on 04/22/2007 8:21:00 PM PDT by tarheelswamprat (So what if I'm not rich? So what if I'm not one of the beautiful people? At least I'm not smart...)
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To: mkjessup

Oh, and what have you done in the real world lately? This is all ya got, thats why I pity you.


3,779 posted on 04/22/2007 8:21:05 PM PDT by Registered (Politics is the art of the possible)
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To: Petronski

I don’t think they want to come back. One of the freepers had said a couple days ago to me they heard their was a “plot”. I didn’t believe that, and I still don’t, now I believe that the “plot” was from THEIR side and it was to GET banned because they were being trounced in the arena of ideas and wanted to be able to claim they were kicked out because we couldn’t argue with them.

They have their own site they seem happy with, a nice echo chamber.

I think they wanted to be gone before Fred announces, because Fred won’t have 1% poll numbers like the conservatives we support that the Rudy people love to laugh at as “unelectable”.


3,780 posted on 04/22/2007 8:21:09 PM PDT by CharlesWayneCT
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