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Will FR embrace socialism to make way for Rudy Giuliani as a Republican presidential candidate?
vanity | April 21, 2007 | Jim Robinson

Posted on 04/21/2007 6:42:25 PM PDT by Jim Robinson

We've got some real challenges facing us. FR was established to fight against government corruption, overstepping, and abuse and to fight for a return to the limited constitutional government as envisioned and set forth by our founding fathers in the Declaration of Independence and the Constitution and other founding documents.

One of the biggest cases of government corruption, overstepping and abuse that I know of is its disgraceful headlong slide into a socialist hell. Our founders never intended for abortion to be the law of the land. And they never intended the Supreme Court to be a legislative body. They never intended God or religion to be written out of public life. They never intended government to be used to deny God's existence or for government to be used to force sexual perversions onto our society or into our children's education curriculum. They never intend for government to disarm the people. They never intended for government to set up sanctuary cities for illegals. They never intended government to “rule” over the people and or to take their earnings or private property or to deprive them of their constitutional rights to free speech, free religion, private property, due process, etc. They never intended government to seize the private property of private citizens through draconian asset forfeiture laws or laws allowing government to take private property from lawful owners to give to developers. Or to seize wealth and redistribute it to others. Or to provide government forced health insurance or government forced retirement systems.

All of the above are examples of ever expanding socialism and tyranny brought to us by liberals/liberalism.

FR fights against the liberals/Democrats in all of these areas and always will. Now if liberalism infiltrates into the Republican party and Republicans start promoting all this socialist garbage, do you think that I or FR will suddenly stop fighting against it? Do you think I'm going to bow down and accept abortionism, feminism, homosexualism, global warming, illegal alien lawbreakers, gun control, asset forfeiture, socialism, tyranny, totalitarianism, etc, etc, etc, just so some fancy New York liberal lawyer can become president from the Republican party?

Do you really expect me to do that?

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To: laurenmarlowe

“No Socialist politcian will get one dime from my hard work, from my earnings and my money. I am not working to pay for someone else to live, I am working to take care of myself and my family. No Socialist politcian will ever take away my absolute knowledge for right and wrong with regard to my freedom and rights as an American Citizen, the Articles Of The Constitution Of The United States Of America GUARANTEE my FREEDOM from ANYONE dictating that a government can take away my freedom. Thank GOD for the United States Of America.”

B U M P !!!!

621 posted on 04/21/2007 9:14:03 PM PDT by stephenjohnbanker ( Hunter/Thompson/Thompson/Hunter in 08! Or Rudy/Hillary if you want to murder conservatism)
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To: Peach

It’s interesting that Poppy Bush introduced Rudy at an event at this juncture. Says something about how the Bush family views Rudy, I think...

622 posted on 04/21/2007 9:14:19 PM PDT by veronica
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To: flashbunny
Detailed polls have shown most republicans don’t know rudy’s real record, and that they’d have trouble with someone with his positions. That is the truth. And as demonstrated by what has happened to his support here as the truth came out, that will follow in the rest of the country.

I do know that to be the case with several people I know. They like Rudy because of his handling of 9-11, but once they learned of his social positions on various issues, they weren't that impressed with him. They are looking at the other candidates more hopefully. I think a few were disappointed because they liked the 9-11 Rudy quite a lot.

623 posted on 04/21/2007 9:14:19 PM PDT by Shelayne
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To: Jet Jaguar; Peach

I agree. Although I disagree with Peach’s pro-Rudy stance, I have no personal animus towards her, and have never disparaged her. Quite to the contrary, if I could give her a piece of advice, it would be to chill out for the evening and come back at it tomorrow.

Her posts have a deliberately provocative tone to them and the last time I saw that, it was by someone who is now referred to in the past tense...

624 posted on 04/21/2007 9:14:24 PM PDT by rockrr (Never argue with a man who buys ammo in bulk...)
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To: woofie


You have no idea how loaded my mail is with people who don’t want to come out into the open and post their admiration and support for Rudy.

But think about his national frontrunner status and you’ll get an idea what my mail looks like.

625 posted on 04/21/2007 9:14:25 PM PDT by Peach
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To: Reagan Man
The battle lines have been drawn on Free Republic.

The drama, the heroism... I can just hear you quote Buchanan " Let's ride to the sound of the guns!" Dope.

All the more reason you should retire from Free Republic. You're no conservative.

As self-appointed mod. - you can also have the title of "Socialist - Tyrannical - Totalitarian" It suits you well.

626 posted on 04/21/2007 9:14:37 PM PDT by muleskinner
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To: Jim Robinson

Again, thank you and amen.

627 posted on 04/21/2007 9:14:45 PM PDT by fullchroma
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To: veronica

Thanks for posting that, veronica. Now I’ll really have sweet dreams.

628 posted on 04/21/2007 9:14:55 PM PDT by Peach
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To: cicero's_son

LOL. Thank you, cicero!

629 posted on 04/21/2007 9:15:12 PM PDT by Peach
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To: CharlesWayneCT
Last time we had a Clinton in the white house with a democrat house and senate, two years with almost nothing happened

Umm, how about a ginormous tax increase?

630 posted on 04/21/2007 9:15:25 PM PDT by Uncledave
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To: veronica
Does FR become an anti-Rudy site?

If FR stand for what Jim says it should be. And I believe the numbers prove that it is an anti-Rudy site already.
631 posted on 04/21/2007 9:15:36 PM PDT by Delphinium
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To: beancounter13

Fever can be a bad thing, but it is necessary if the host is to fight the pathogen. I have beeen looked at oddly for saying if their is to be trouble let it come to me and let it spare my children.

It is true, most of us have no concept of sacrifice. Did anyone mention Sanjaya got voted off of Idol yet?

632 posted on 04/21/2007 9:16:29 PM PDT by Hawk1976 (It is better to die than to live as a slave.)
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To: Jim Robinson

I’m with you, Rudy should go back to the Democrat party and be running against the witch for the nomination.

633 posted on 04/21/2007 9:16:59 PM PDT by dalereed
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To: Peach
In a three way race, with a conservative third party candidate, Hillary will win. The national polls don't tell you that, not that I would trust them anyway.

Do you think it will be a three-way race vs a two-way race?

The Clinton's have done it twice before with a strong third party showing from Perot. This time, I think they will encourage a so-called conservative type. A few appearences on LKL (is that fossil even still on?) or maybe Lou Dobbs should do it.

Just enough conservative voters will be siphoned away. Never mind that this hypothetical conservative third party candidate wasn't serious enough to enter Republican primary.

Hillary would win.


634 posted on 04/21/2007 9:17:28 PM PDT by FreeReign
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To: Peach

“That’s so sweet of you to keep track of my schedule.”

don’t flatter yourself. You said you were going to bed awhile ago but keep posting.

635 posted on 04/21/2007 9:17:46 PM PDT by flashbunny (<--- Free Anti-Rino graphics! See Rudy the Rino get exposed as a liberal with his own words!)
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To: rockrr; Peach

On that I can agree.

636 posted on 04/21/2007 9:18:02 PM PDT by Jet Jaguar (Just say no to Brady Bunch Republicans.)
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To: Arizona Carolyn
Did you live in California then? I did.

No, I was a toddler in NJ, but I don't care if you were Reagan's next door neighbor. Claiming that Reagan was regarded as a liberal while Governor is a crock.

I guess when Reagan delivered his famous A Time for Choosing address in 1964 he was secretly a liberal.

637 posted on 04/21/2007 9:18:48 PM PDT by garv (Conservatism in '08
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To: Jet Jaguar

Thank you, Jet. You and I have known each other, via FR, for some time. I’ve posted and have bookmarked on my homepage how the left have lied about the Iraq/AQ connections and relationships going back 15 years.

I’ve encouraged freepers to contact their congressmen about the relationship, all in order to give Republicans the courage to fight the MSM.

I’m sure we can all think of liberals who’ve involved themselves in that sort of research and activism. /s

Regardless, I’ve watched Rudy with admiration since the early 90’s when I lived in CT and we got a lot of NYC news. I don’t expect everyone to choose my candidate, but neither do I expect that freepers should be banned because they are putting national security and fiscal restraint above social issues.

638 posted on 04/21/2007 9:18:52 PM PDT by Peach
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To: Peach
Hey, if Jim wants to ban all the freepers who think national security trumps social issues, he can have at it and you all enjoy that little echo chamber of yours.

Hey, I like the give & take of open discussion as much as anyone.

What I don't like is to see my deepest convictions trashed on a site that is supposed to be a haven for the like minded.

Although I wouldn't speak for the owner I suspect this is how how feels as well.

Instead of constructing straw man arguments maybe you should give this some thought.

639 posted on 04/21/2007 9:19:14 PM PDT by skeeter
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To: muleskinner
The battle lines have been drawn on Free Republic. The drama, the heroism... I can just hear you quote Buchanan " Let's ride to the sound of the guns!"

LOL! Well, I'm ready...

640 posted on 04/21/2007 9:19:20 PM PDT by veronica
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