Skip to comments.Blogger admits Hawaii birth certificate forgery, subverting Obama claims (Uh-oh)
Posted on 07/03/2008 4:35:19 PM PDT by SE Mom
Jay McKinnon, a self-described Department of Homeland Security-trained document specialist, has implicated himself in the production of fraudulent Hawaii birth certificate images similar to the one endorsed as genuine by the Barack Obama campaign, and appearing on the same blog entry where the supposedly authentic document appears.
The evidence of forgery and manipulation of images of official documents, triggered by Israel Insider's revelation of the collection of Hawaii birth certificate images on the Photobucket site and the detective work of independent investigative journalists and imaging professionals in the three weeks since the publication of the images, implicate the Daily Kos, an extreme left blog site, and the Obama campaign, in misleading the public with official-looking but manipulated document images of doubtful provenance.
The perceived unreliability of the image has provoked petitions and widespread demands for Obama to submit for objective inspection the paper versions of the "birth certificate" he claimed in his book Dreams from My Father was in his possession, as well as the paper version of the Certificate of Live Birth for which the image on the Daily Kos and the Obama "Fight the Smears" website was supposedly generated.
Without a valid birth certificate, Obama cannot prove he fulfills the "natural born citizen" requirement of the Constitution, throwing into doubt his eligibility to run for President.
McKinnon, who says he is 25-30 years old, operates a website called OpenDNA.com and uses the OpenDNA screen name on various web sites and blogs, including his comments and diary on The Daily Kos. In recent years he has divided his time between Long Beach, California and Vancouver, British Columbia. He is a Democratic political activist, frequent contributor to the left wing Daily Kos blog, and a fervent Barack Obama supporter.
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Back in 1974 I was legaly married to a S. Korean citizen that gave birth to a son that bore my name, he was born in an army hospital and had an American birth certificate, however, that did not automaticly make him a US Citizen, that was the law in 1974.
That is wrong.
Statutory analysis sets out the legal position clearly--he isn't a citizen because his mother could not have been in the United States five years after she was 16 because she was only 18 when he was born. End of story.
If he was born in Kenya, he is not only not eligible to act as President under Article II, Sec. 1, Par. 4 of the U S Constitution, he is not a citizen of the US under 8 USCA Sec. 1401(g).
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Hey man, I lost both a child AND a doberman to the cracks in my yard!
I’m still waiting and wondering when the candidates and the media will start talking about the issues.
Oh, well. Happy Independence Day!
Not necessarily so.
This is a Supreme Court decision from the year that Obama was supposedly born.
Montana v. Kennedy, 366 U.S. 308 (1961): A person born in 1906, whose mother was a native-born citizen of the United States and whose father was a foreign citizen, who was born overseas and then moved to the United States, was not a citizen of the United States by birth.
Worth faking a birth certificate? Running for President? Nah.
I'm a little bit older than you and remember a bit of the relatively quiet times that preceded. This nation today is nothing like it was then -- some changes were good, many were bad. I did not like the "interesting times."
“Hey, I be a forgery!”
From Freeper Spunky
“There’s no doubt his mother was a citizen, so does it even matter where he was born?”
Yes it does matter. There were/are laws governing this. It depends on which year you were born.
Obama was born in 1961 and the below was the law covering that year.
4. December 24, 1952 to November 13, 1986
If, at the time of your birth, both your parents were U.S. citizens and at least one had a prior residence in the United States, you automatically acquired U.S. citizenship with no conditions for retaining it.
If only one parent was a U.S. citizen at the time of your birth, that parent must have resided in the United States for at least ten years, at least five of which had to be after the age of 16. There are no conditions placed on retaining this type of citizenship. If your one U.S. citizen parent is your father and you were born outside of marriage, the same rules apply if your father legally legitimated you before your 21st birthday and you were unmarried at the time. If legitimation occurred after November 14, 1986, your father must have established paternity prior to your 18th birthday, either by acknowledgment or by court order, and must have stated in writing that he would support you financially until your 18th birthday.
If by chance Barack Obama’s mother gave birth to him in Kenya she did not meet the 5 year residency in the U.S. after the age of 16 because she was 18 when she gave birth.
post 124 has a link to the citizenship laws
Soros probably should have just bribed some Hawaii officials to get a real deal birth certificate for his boy, Oblahma
It is hard for me to phantom why there are so many posters who don’t see what is so obvious...forgery and fraud. I only thing that would sense to me is they don’t want to see the clinton trash back in the White House and I would be able sympathize with that but this whole controversy is about something more important than a forged document.
It is about the first time in the history of this country, it is possible for a candidate could be elected president from an UNKNOWN ORIGIN.
The Constitution is in danger.
Yes--it is the place of his birth he doesn't want you to see--because he was born in Kenya, not Hawaii.
And the birth records issue may be more complicated than that. There may be a record; but it discloses facts that make it clear he wasn't born in Hawaii.
Sure, there's been talk, but your understanding of the law is incorrect. You have to be a "natural born citizen" which can either be accomplished by place of birth or by the citizenship of your parents.
The place of your birth is not determinative if it's outside the US.
These threads will get interesting when they actually start to allege that Obama WASN'T born in Hawaii and offer proof of where he was born.
But it still wouldn't matter because he's a natural born citizen because of his mother.
The fake birth certificate at KOS is interesting, but it's not really even relevant.
It is curious. He obviously never went to court, yet he’s a “constitutional professor”. Hmmmm....
You can see Barack Obamas birth certificate for yourself and help push back with the truth at:
LOL yep, that’s the real fake alright.
Do you think, if it happened that Hillary got the nomination, the enough people would be turned off to the Dems that McCain would still win?
And then, after the storm has been whipped up, he can pull out the real one ("'scuze me while I whip this out!" just went through my head!) and say, "These people are nuts! I'm so persecuted!"
Kudos Jim and Texas Darling
The evidence of forgery and manipulation of images of official documents, triggered by Israel Insider’s revelation of the collection of Hawaii birth certificate images on the Photobucket site and the diligent detective work of independent investigative journalists (led by JimJ and Texas Darling) and imaging professionals such as Polarik in the three weeks since the publication of the images, implicate The Daily Kos, a “progressive” blog site, and the Obama campaign’s “Fight the Smears” website, in misleading the public with official-looking but manipulated document images of highly doubtful provenance. Moreover, the blog and the campaign have been negligent in allowing the promotion of obviously forged and fake official documents together with the purported image of Obama’s birth certificate.
Well now wait a second. It seems I read somewhere that he “practiced” law.
Maybe not.. but your find is an EXCELLENT catch.
I’ll dig into that after the 4th.
Most likely it wasn't because he's a bastard. A goodly fraction of the electorate has never met the guy who knocked up their mom. Mostly no one else cares either. We do care what kind of bastard a guy is, but not so much the marital status of his parents.
That makes the most likely explanation that his real Certificate of Live Birth would unquestionably show he cannot hold the office of president.
So I don't know why they did this dumb and ham handed thing.
The same reason those guys put g-strings on their heads to rob that store last week. They figured that with just a little cover they could get away with it.
As far as ham handed? I'm pretty sure that using the left's best available DHS trained forger didn't look ham handed going in...
He never divorced his first wife. That is legally true.
No, the VP must be qualified to assume the Presidency. That’s why the Toon cannot be Hillary’s Veep.
I read it the same way. Like the Sinclair story, people are trying to keep this one alive with regular "new" releases with no actual "new" information.
For submitting the fraudulent BC in the first place. BTW, he only submitted the fake after intense speculation that he was not native-born starting more than a month ago. What most of us are shocked at is that he gave us ammo releasing that fake BC!
Federal offense For NoBombo also since he says it’s the real deal?
Obama’s interactive family tree:
Looks like his in absentia father procreated with at least four different women, some of whom he married.
Hillary is extremely intelligent, and would be effective in destroying America (while Obama will have grander plans of destruction, but fail miserably in their execution). Hell, the Clinton machine already infects much of the government, especially the state department. While Obama would spend 2 years with training wheels, Hillary would hit the ground at maximum speed. And let's be honest about Iraq and the WOT - none of the candidates are going to change policy in any significant way when they hold the reigns of power.
The only two reasons I would briefly hesitate in making the above choice are
(1) Obama's wife. She is a deranged, vindictive, cold psycho b****. There is much more to her than meets the eye.
(2) The fallout of the neo-Messiah being dethroned would cause a MASSIVE democrat rift felt for decades. Possible popcorn overdose.
Ping to thread.
The only thing I can think of that he wouldn’t want us to see is that maybe he wasn’t born Barrack Husein Obama but Barry Dunham.
fanfan ~Worth faking a birth certificate? Running for President? Nah.
Besides it didn't stop clinton, did it?
These are resume enhancements for the "progressives"...
Nice this is a Happy 4th of July!
Of course he has to be born here!
I keep stating that. All known valid certificates say "Date ACCEPTED by STATE Registrar", but not Obama's!!!
If he were nominated and then shown not to be a citizen prior to the election, two courses of action seem open. First, an emergency party convention could be held and HRC would get the nomination. In the second course, they could continue supporting him at whatever the cost reasoning that they had gone too far to drop his nomination. The first case would run into all sorts of legal problems and contravene all sorts of party rules. The second case could ensure their defeat if McCain decides to use his opponent's lack of qualifications for the job as a campaign issue.
If Obama is actually elected and then shown not to be a citizen prior to the swearing in ceremony, the Chief Justice would presumably decline to swear him into office on the basis of his not being a citizen.
This brings up the final scenario. Obama is elected, shown not to be eligible for office and 'accidents' occur leaving only Justice Ginsburg or Souter alive. Then Ginsburg or Souter would swear him in in a New York minute. After all, that 'natural born citizen' stuff was written by dead white men in a different time, we live in a brave new multicultural world, and the Constitution, being a living document, needs to change with the times.
He doesn’t even have to produce a birth certificate.
Hospital records, nursery school / daycare records, mother’s school records while she was a student - hard to have a baby abroad if she was in class the week before birth, for example.
Somebody or some group needs to file a suit to compel Obama to
provide the necessary documents.
Hillary. She only cares about herself, so she wouldn't let things get much worse than Jimmy Carter did.
Obama, OTOH, is one scary dude. Born of a Muslim father, a supporter of the nation of Islam, and Palestine, and a 20 year member of a church that preaches Black Liberation Theology, to say nothing of his policies.
Are you serious?
At this point I have little hope that McCain would be much better than Hillary, but I know that either one of them would be 1000 times better than Obama.
This is what you want I believe;
Let us know what you find. Thanks.
I'm beginning to think that may be it since other explanations are just not persuasive.
I just don’t take this too seriously. I’d love for it to be true, but it sounds more like a setup. And it’s a false trail to throw us off his liberal agenda. Once they prove he was born in the US...then they’ll say what will they attack and lie about next?
If he wasn’t born in Hawaii...where was he born? No one is saying he was born in country X so without that there isn’t much of a case. If he’s always said he was a citizen...then most will consider him ok. It’s easy to forge an old doc (at least good enough for willing accomplices to accept). Unless you have evidence where Obama has said he was born elsewhere...we shoudl let this go.
And FOIA request has been submitted.
Not that it will produce results- but it can be part of a process...
Unless something much, much more solid comes of this theory, this place is going to look damn foolish.
But, what the hell - I've done my bit with mods the past few days, but they let this silliness run on and on and on.
Oh like any of us would be surprised by Hillary getting the nomination. I can’t say much would surprise me any more.
OR, why is the actual entry for his father's race? On this one, it's listed as "African."
"African" is not a race and would not have been listed as such. Many people of all colors and races are born in Africa.
Perhaps the real BC reveals his parents weren't married at the time....
I think he was probably born in Hawaii, but it's other info he wants to keep from disclosure.
Title 8 of the U.S. Code fills in those gaps. Section 1401 defines the following as people who are "citizens of the United States at birth:"