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Towton, the bloodbath that changed the course of English history. (Well worth reading)
The Sunday Times (UK) ^ | August 24, 2008 | AA Gill

Posted on 08/23/2008 7:45:39 PM PDT by PotatoHeadMick

Get onto the B1217 – the Ferrybridge-to-Tadcaster road – just after the M1 joins the A1M, and you’ve crossed that unmapped line where the north stops being grim and begins to be bracing. Go through Saxton, past the Crooked Billet pub, and on your left you’ll see rising farmland, green corn and copses – an old landscape, untroubled by poets or painters or the hyperbole of tourist boards, but handsome, still and hushed. The road is straight; it knows where it’s going, hurrying along, averting its gaze. Through the tonsured hedge you might just notice a big old holly tree on the side of the road. It seems out of place.

Get out of the car, adjust to the hissing silence and step behind the tree. Hidden from the road you’ll find a gothic stone cross of some age. Nobody knows who put it here or where it’s from. For centuries it lay in the ditch. A date recently inscribed on its base, March 28, 1461, is wrong. It should be the next day: the 29th, Sunday. The movable feast – Palm Sunday.

(Excerpt) Read more at timesonline.co.uk ...


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Unclassified; United Kingdom
KEYWORDS: 14610329; ancientautopsies; battleoftowton; edwardiv; ggg; godsgravesglyphs; history; kinghenryvi; march291461; palmsunday; sherburninelmet; tadcaster; towton; warsoftheroses
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To: milagro
I’m with you on that—have never heard the expression “argy-bargy” and am not sure what the writer means when he says Henry V was “killed by the shits”—unless he means dysentery or some such unfortunate disease. But I AM pretty sure what he means when he talks about Henry VI “hiding the pink sceptre”—and that line is hilarious!


From the Urban Dictionary

argy bargy = a heated discussion, perhaps one that has become bad-tempered enough to amount to a spat or minor quarrel

...a common English expression for a nasty argument - perhaps moving into a shoving match...

21 posted on 08/23/2008 9:31:14 PM PDT by az_gila (AZ - need less democrats)
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To: milagro

Indeed, he means dysentery.


22 posted on 08/23/2008 9:37:46 PM PDT by hc87
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To: 2banana

The Romans killed more Brits [Celts] in one day when they settled Bouddica’s hash.


23 posted on 08/23/2008 9:41:27 PM PDT by PzLdr ("The Emperor is not as forgiving as I am" - Darth Vader)
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To: PotatoHeadMick

mark for later


24 posted on 08/23/2008 9:51:06 PM PDT by Trailerpark Badass (Happiness is a choice!)
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To: PotatoHeadMick
AA Gill normally does restaurant and TV reviews but he's a good writer.

Wow, I'll say!
Thanks for posting this.

25 posted on 08/23/2008 9:53:23 PM PDT by Lancey Howard
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To: SunkenCiv

A good one.


26 posted on 08/23/2008 9:57:38 PM PDT by BBell
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To: RedRover; jazusamo; Girlene; 4woodenboats; Grimmy; xzins; smoothsailing; lilycicero; bigheadfred; ..

(( ping ))

When you have fifteen minutes to kill, this story is fantastic.


27 posted on 08/23/2008 10:20:01 PM PDT by Lancey Howard
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more:

Skeletons Of Bloodiest Day (Towton - 1461AD)
The Press | 9-12-2006 | Nadia Jefferson-Brown
Posted on 09/12/2006 2:45:57 PM PDT by blam
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1700270/posts


28 posted on 08/23/2008 10:42:50 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/_______Profile hasn't been updated since Friday, May 30, 2008)
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http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1700270/posts?page=65#65


29 posted on 08/23/2008 10:44:39 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/_______Profile hasn't been updated since Friday, May 30, 2008)
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To: BBell; StayAt HomeMother; Ernest_at_the_Beach; 1ofmanyfree; 21twelve; 24Karet; 2ndDivisionVet; ...

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Thanks BBell.

To all -- please ping me to other topics which are appropriate for the GGG list.
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30 posted on 08/23/2008 10:55:26 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/_______Profile hasn't been updated since Friday, May 30, 2008)
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To: PzLdr

Good catch / Well put.

http://www.athenapub.com/britsite/tacitus1.htm

According to some writers, not less than eighty thousand Britons were put to the sword. The Romans lost about four hundred men, and the wounded did not exceed that number.


31 posted on 08/23/2008 11:00:16 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/_______Profile hasn't been updated since Friday, May 30, 2008)
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To: ZULU; Fiji Hill
Ya know -- relying on Shakespeare to provide history is like relying on Michael Moore to screen a valid documentary.
32 posted on 08/23/2008 11:39:01 PM PDT by brityank (The more I learn about the Constitution, the more I realise this Government is UNconstitutional !!)
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To: Lancey Howard; PotatoHeadMick

Many, many thanks to you both; a truly interesting trip back in time.

Unfortunately, it took me a lot longer than fifteen minutes; I had to copy off the pages and format them, plus went to the link at the end and snatched a couple of their pictures.


33 posted on 08/23/2008 11:43:53 PM PDT by brityank (The more I learn about the Constitution, the more I realise this Government is UNconstitutional !!)
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To: Fiji Hill

“In comparison, the Battle of Iwo Jima cost the lives of about 7,000 Americans...”

And the battle of Okinawa cost 12,000 American lives over 82 days.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Okinawa

And by this time, evaluating the fact Japan would go on sacrificing everybodies’ lives (their own soldiers, America’s soldiers and any civilians) Truman wisely dropped two nuclear bombs.

A similar decision could be faced by an American President. Obama obviously lacks the judgement or character to make a good decision, either way.

The Presidency is not only the officeholder; it is also the people he selects for advice.

Any confidence in people Obama would select? Rev. Wright, Michelle, Bill Ayers, Rezco?


34 posted on 08/24/2008 12:06:14 AM PDT by truth_seeker
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To: ZULU

I’m sure that if he’d written his “histories” any differently, we wouldn’t have ANY of his subsequent plays.


35 posted on 08/24/2008 3:00:26 AM PDT by bannie
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To: PotatoHeadMick

Outstanding story. However, there is writing, and there is overwriting.


36 posted on 08/24/2008 5:58:46 AM PDT by Andyman (The truth shall make you FReep.)
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To: the invisib1e hand

Loved that part. As if the writer knew that a recounting of history is often tedious and bland.


37 posted on 08/24/2008 6:09:40 AM PDT by GoforBroke
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She Crucified Her Enemies And Burnt London To The Ground.
Meet Britain’s First Feminist, Boadicea
Daily Mail | 2-6-2008 | Paul Johnson
Posted on 02/07/2008 3:19:53 PM PST by blam
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1966717/posts


38 posted on 08/24/2008 9:00:10 AM PDT by SunkenCiv (https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/_______Profile hasn't been updated since Friday, May 30, 2008)
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To: LibFreeOrDie
I loved Costain as a kid. Now that I'm old, maybe I should go through his work again. Although I think I'll do Rafael Sabatini again, first. I'll start with Fortune's Fool, a copy of which I just happen to own, then go to the Captain Blood tales.
39 posted on 08/24/2008 9:18:28 AM PDT by chesley (I'm still alive, still employed, & still married. Life is GOOD)
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To: PotatoHeadMick

For perspective, Gettysburg over three days is said to have had 10,000 dead.


40 posted on 08/24/2008 9:23:58 AM PDT by marsh2
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