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The Palin effect: crowd size
Politico ^ | 08/31/08 | Jonathan Martin

Posted on 08/31/2008 8:04:05 PM PDT by txroadkill

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To: HerrBlucher
No one has forgotten. We know we will have to fight McCain tooth and nail after the election. But that is better than fighting the Stalinists of bambi, which could actually end up in an armed struggle.

Socialism isn't any less dangerous because the candidate has an R after his name espcially since McCain has sided with the socialist Democrats on many issues over the last twenty years. It's astounding so many are so eager to dismiss this fact.

We are looking to the future with Palin, as a great veep and then as a great President.

Why do people keep using the is ridiculous refrain? I'll repeat it again for the umpteenth time. VP's are for the most part window dressing. The very reason they are the VP or VP candidate is because they have agreed to support the Presidential candidate on most of the issues. In McCain's case given his voting record, it means Palin has signed onto support at least a majority of McCain's socialist positions!

That ignores the fact Presidential candidates don't select a VP candidate because the former is trying to advance the latter's career by looking four or eight years down the road. It's impossible to predict what will happen over such a long span. Presidential candidates choose a running mate to help them win their own election.

McCain is just a means to an end.

What means and end would that be?
41 posted on 08/31/2008 9:08:51 PM PDT by Man50D (Fair Tax, you earn it, you keep it!)
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To: Man50D
My response had nothing to do with Palin.

No, it didn't, but this could be the start of the road to the White House for her, and that could be a good thing.

42 posted on 08/31/2008 9:09:08 PM PDT by conservative cat
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To: conservative cat
No, it didn't, but this could be the start of the road to the White House for her, and that could be a good thing.

That idea is ludicrous for the reason I stated in the last paragraph of post #41.
43 posted on 08/31/2008 9:12:03 PM PDT by Man50D (Fair Tax, you earn it, you keep it!)
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To: Man50D

“I have to give McCain credit for this scam. His ploy of bringing on board someone who people at least precieve is a conservative has made people forget McCain is a socialist.”

Or that you smeel like moose cheese.


44 posted on 08/31/2008 9:12:07 PM PDT by Porterville (Mac Daddy Daddy Mac!!!!! 2008!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!)
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To: Man50D

“I have to give McCain credit for this scam. His ploy of bringing on board someone who people at least precieve is a conservative has made people forget McCain is a socialist.”

Or that you smell like moose cheese.


45 posted on 08/31/2008 9:12:24 PM PDT by Porterville (Mac Daddy Daddy Mac!!!!! 2008!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!)
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To: goldstategop
The Dems should be running scared.

The Dems ARE running scared.(fixed)

46 posted on 08/31/2008 9:13:18 PM PDT by Pistolshot (Palin has run a state, city, and a business. NObama has only run his mouth.)
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To: Porterville
Or that you smeel like moose cheese.

Lacking any reasoned thought you resort to insults. I see you've taken a page out of the GOP play book to win over Conservatives.
47 posted on 08/31/2008 9:14:54 PM PDT by Man50D (Fair Tax, you earn it, you keep it!)
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To: Man50D
What means and end would that be?

Palin as prez in 2012. Of course its not a sure thing, and its probably a longshot, but we got nothing else going at this point and I am bettin on the longshot. If bambi gets in we don't even have the longshot.

What is your suggestion that we do? Obviously its not "vote McCain" so what is it?

48 posted on 08/31/2008 9:15:26 PM PDT by HerrBlucher (Hey DU: Shut your festering gobs, you vacuous, toffee-nosed, malodorous perverts!)
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To: txroadkill

I’m willing to travel anywhere within a 300 mile radius to see McCain/Palin. Heck. skip McCain, I’ll go 300 miles just to hear Palin. After the 2006 debacle I vowed to give up political activity but I feel like I’m being pulled back into the vortex.


49 posted on 08/31/2008 9:15:44 PM PDT by Hamilcar_Barca (If Obama is elected the U.S. Soldiers in Iraq will have died in vain.)
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To: Man50D
I have to give McCain credit for this scam. His ploy of bringing on board someone who people at least precieve is a conservative has made people forget McCain is a socialist.

What, no credit to Karl Rove, the Bildabergers or the Illuminati?

50 posted on 08/31/2008 9:17:44 PM PDT by airborne (Better to remain silent and be thought a fool, than to speak and remove all doubt.)
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To: goldstategop

By the savagery of their attacks I think they are!!


51 posted on 08/31/2008 9:18:58 PM PDT by Hamilcar_Barca (If Obama is elected the U.S. Soldiers in Iraq will have died in vain.)
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To: KevinDavis

That is photo-shopped! I have never heard of the DNC and neither has the boy.


52 posted on 08/31/2008 9:18:58 PM PDT by Homer_J_Simpson (For events that occurred in 1938, real time is 1938, not 2008.)
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To: Porterville
I liked "smeel" better!
53 posted on 08/31/2008 9:19:28 PM PDT by airborne (Better to remain silent and be thought a fool, than to speak and remove all doubt.)
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To: Man50D

“There aren’t degrees of socialism.”

Yes there are - and you should know better than to say otherwise.
Johnny Mac has been misled on some issues like global warming but nothing that a little up front education won’t fix. Sarah is just the common sense sort of person that can add a little reality to his gig.
Take faith and suck it up.


54 posted on 08/31/2008 9:21:49 PM PDT by bossmechanic (If all else fails, hit it with a hammer)
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To: Man50D

I must respectfully disagree. Do you honestly think that McCain is as far left as Barry??? If so, please pass me the bottle of what you are drinking.

McCain is not my choice..but he beats the he** out of the alternative. And he picked a solid conservative who could run in 2012 (if there is a 2008 victory).

Who would your choice be? (of the viable candidates)


55 posted on 08/31/2008 9:22:40 PM PDT by berdie
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To: conservative cat

As I have said on other threads these last few days, I have spent my life managing very large west coast law firms who usually have some kingmakers among the most powerful partners, so I am used to knowing how they think and whom they support. When I heard Sarah Palin speak to the crowd in Dayton, I could actually feel the the brain waves of my former partners (even though I am retired) focusing on her as the first female President of the United States. Trust me, they see her as a huge opportunity and change agent...unlike Obama whom they see only as a useless puppet controlled by others with no substance in of himself.


56 posted on 08/31/2008 9:25:26 PM PDT by Stayfree (***************************************IF IT IS LEFT, IT CAN'T BE RIGHT!!)
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To: Man50D
I have to give McCain credit for this scam. His ploy of bringing on board someone who people at least precieve (sic) is a conservative has made people forget McCain is a socialist.

BS

As a former Socialist (SWP 1979-83) I can assure you, McCain ain't a Socialist, capital s or small s.

It is easy to toss around terminology for effect. Though, it is a lazy persons manner to do so.

57 posted on 08/31/2008 9:27:42 PM PDT by Thumper1960 (A modern so-called "Conservative" is a shadow of a wisp of a vertebrate human being.)
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To: txroadkill
From email--

Sarah Palin is the US’s answer to Margaret Thatcher! Anyone who thinks she cannot handle the job or deal briskly and efficiently with ANY issue, including foreign governments … well, they haven’t met our Sarah .

As an Alaskan resident as well as a resident of Wasilla, AK, where Sarah Palin was at one time Mayor … I can speak with confidence. Governor Sarah Palin of Alaska is exactly what she portrayed during her introduction this morning and exactly what our US Government needs. She is ethical to a fault (if there is such a thing), a refreshing change to the status-quo and as smart and determined a PERSON (gender really isn’t an issue here as far as I’m concerned) as anyone could ask for at the head of government.

Sarah is no naïve “small town mayor” – she just *started out* there. Btw, as Mayor of Wasilla, she brought this “small town” through a lot of GOOD changes and left it at the end of her term having grown to the 4th largest CITY in Alaska – a lot of growth and a stronger economic base than ever before.

She has EXECTUTIVE experience *running a government* (something NONE of the other candidates can actually boast, even John McCain ) as Governor of Alaska and got there by defeating the *incumbent* Republican Governor, who was definitely part of the “old school” and who WAS very much in the pocket of the big oil companies. We in Alaska wanted change – and we got it in the person of Sarah Palin!

Sarah Palin is everything she looks to be and more. Her approval rating as Governor of Alaska has been as high as 95% and is currently leveled out consistently in the upper 80 percentile throughout the state (and in both parties) - the HIGHEST approval rating of ANY sitting Governor.

Sarah has been turning around corruption in the Legislature of Alaska - turning things on their ear for that matter; cutting spending in spite of the increased income the state is currently receiving due to the high oil prices - she has insisted on putting a huge amount of the "windfall" into savings for the future rather than spending, spending, spending - and has insisted from the get-go on what she refers to as "honest, ethical and transparent governing" - no more closed door meetings and dealings - the big oil companies thought she would be a pushover and have learned better to their chagrin.

She understands the "real people" and the economic issues we all face (Alaskans along with the rest of the country) - she was one of "us" not long ago. Rather than passing useless "laws" or throwing money at pet projects, she (most recently) temporarily suspended the state gas tax (on gasoline at the pumps, fuel oil and natural gas for homes, etc.) and has ordered checks issued to ALL residents of Alaska this fall in an attempt to assist with the burden of high fuel costs for the upcoming winter. I could go on and on, but that's enough for now . She isn’t doing these things to be popular – she is doing it because her constituents are HURTING financially and she can help.

She became Governor of Alaska by defeating the Incumbent Republican Governor and doing it *without* the money or the support of the Republican Party, which was amazing in itself - and she won by a landslide. The "powers that be" at that time totally underestimated Sarah and learned better the hard way. She has done exactly what she claimed she was going to do and is just as popular today as the day she was elected - perhaps more so since even the Democrats up here seem to like her - she works well with both sides in the Legislature here.

Sarah "belongs" to us (Alaskans) ... and although we are going to be terribly sorry to see her leave before she finishes the job she started here (two years ago) straightening out OUR State ... we understand she is needed for a bigger purpose and hopefully her Lt. Governor will be able to fill her shoes here and continue the job.

As for worrying about what would happen if McCain were to die or step down or whatever ... up here in AK we've only been wondering how long we would be able to KEEP Sarah in Alaska and have seen her as our first woman President of the USA from the start. It's always been a matter of whether she would wait until the end of her TWO terms as Governor (no doubt at ALL that she would be re-elected if she ran for a second term at the end of her current term) ... or end up in Washington sooner. She could do the job TODAY.

Personally, I feel a lot better about McCain now that I know he has someone as savvy, as strong, as ethical and as steady as Sarah at his back. She will be an excellent Vice President ... and my guess is will be our US Republican Presidential candidate in four years - AND by then the country will KNOW her – will love and respect her as we do here - and she'll win by as much of a landslide as she did here in Alaska. I only wonder if McCain has a clue what he is unleashing on the US of A . She is going to be a fresh wind, but also a strong wind.

Is that enough of an endorsement? If not, I'll add this ... Jerry and I have for many years felt the best "vote" was to vote for the lesser of two "evils" and hope they didn't do too much damage. Two years ago during our State Governor's race was the first time EVER that we actually asked for not just a little sign to put in our yard showing our support of our candidate (something we've never felt the desire to do at all before) - we asked for a full 4' x 8' "SARAH PALIN FOR GOVERNOR!" sign and were proud to have it. She hasn't let us or Alaska down. She will do the same for the USA if given the opportunity. Feel free to pass this on to anyone who may be interested (and spam those who aren’t!).

58 posted on 08/31/2008 9:37:13 PM PDT by lonestar
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To: txroadkill

Yeah, call it the St. Louie-Palin Affect.

My FRiends, some people don’t get it but I know many of you do.

It’s started. America + 2. More good days to come. Take the fight directly to the obfuscating marxist!


59 posted on 08/31/2008 9:45:05 PM PDT by romanesq
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To: Man50D

I Sara Palin ain’t country.... I’ll kiss your ass

You heard it before... it’s a damn good joke....I’ve met Johnny Cash... and if she ain’t country I’ll kiss your ass


60 posted on 08/31/2008 9:47:06 PM PDT by Porterville (Mac Daddy Daddy Mac!!!!! 2008!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!)
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