Obama Born In The U.S. ? New Facts And Questions Say; 'Probably Not!'

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[MindBender26]

Obama Born In The U.S. ? New Facts Say; “Probably Not!”

Let me be the first to admit that I have been a constant debunker of the “Obama Born Overseas” stories. How could it be possible? How could the DNC, Hillary, Edwards, the RNC, McCain, Romney, AP, BBC, ABC, FNC, etc, (and every 100th listing in the DC phone book) not have checked this out to its last level of possibility?

Well, it appears that they didn’t! Everyone assumed “the other guy did it.”

Forget for the moment all the clues left by the high-priced Obama and DNC legal teams. They are huge.

Obama and the DNC always argue “standing.” They could eliminate every legal challenge in 5 minutes by simply producing a certified copy of the original long-form birth certificate. Throw in the testimony of the Hawaii Registrar of Documents, a few retired FBI chief document examiners, and the doctor who delivered him for good measure.

If they did that in two or three courts of record, in light of the obvious media coverage it would receive, every other court nationwide would accept the precedence and the cases would all be over.

But they don’t. They keep telling the courts, “please don’t hear this case.” No proof of any kind. Just the legalese argument that the plaintiffs have no standing before that court.

That’s so overreaching, it’s like buying a refinery to get a 3000 mile oil change! And one day, some court is going to say…. “Show me the money, er,. ah, I mean, Show me the documents!”

But there is a second, and perhaps new point!

Where is that doctor who delivered him, or the midwife?

Stop and think. The delivery of a half Negro – half Caucasian baby was rare anyhere in 1961. Oriental babies were common in Hawaii of course, but a half Negro-half Caucasian baby with the funny name of Barrack Obama, in Hawaii? In 1961?

Even of you were a Republican, if you delivered a future President of the United States, wouldn’t you call some newspaper somewhere with your story. Or if you were the assistant obstetrician, or the anesthesiologist, or the scrub nurse?

What about the circulating nurse, or the pediatrician, one of a dozen nurses on the 24 hour-a-day shifts in the nursery, one of many nurses on the ward where Mrs. Obama would have stayed for three days, a records registrar, a technician of any kind, hell, even the janitor!

What about the clerks, ambulance drivers….. somebody ?!?!?!

Anybody ?!?!?!

Wouldn’t someone have been yelling their “credit” for this from the rooftops???? The date when he was born is (supposedly) known. Certainly all these (supposed) people would know where they were working then!

Where is somebody, anybody, who was there or even remembers the birth?

Sherlock Holmes once solved a case by noticing the dog that DID NOT bark.

Is this the same situation?

[little jeremiah]

bookmark.

[luvadavi]

So what?

[trumandogz]

So what?

Well, the poster Wintertime said that no other American President has used more than one name.

Since that claim by wintertime is simply not true, I thought I would correct the poster's error by pointing out that the person born as Leslie Lynch King became our 38th president.

[luvadavi]

I bet when you were a kid in school you were the class pest and chronicler of near-worthless information. Just for attention.

The kid who always found some insignificant item for a sidetrack. Aside from Napoleon's defeat at Waterloo and its consequences for Europe & the world, who was the Prussian soldier with the white horse that might have been an albino...?? Yeah, that kid.

[trumandogz]

No, just the facts.

And when a poster states as fact something that is a blatant falsehood, I will point out that disinformation.

[Michael Michael]

Since that claim by wintertime is simply not true, I thought I would correct the poster's error by pointing out that the person born as Leslie Lynch King became our 38th president.

And strangely enough, both Barack Hussein Obama and Leslie Lynch King were Jr's. And stranger still, there's talk recently about Obama's and his mother's connections to the Ford Foundation. But the really eerie part is, Leslie Lynch King, Jr. was born in Omaha, Nebraska. And if you take the letters of Obama and Nebraska, they spell out "Harken! Obama!" Well, there's an "a" and an "s" left over, but man, don't that just creep you out?

[BrerLion]

I'm not struggling with a graphics problem. I'm struggling with a particular poster who insists on seeing his own pet issue in an unrelated discussion, and won't accept very clear statements that he's talking about something else.

For the life of me, I really don't see what the argument is about. The only reason I jumped into that thread is because I thought your "green pixel" argument was a plea, rather than a proof.

[mlo]

"For the life of me, I really don't see what the argument is about."

It's not really much of an argument. I was just trying to get the poster to see that I wasn't writing about the thing he thought I was writing about.

"The only reason I jumped into that thread is because I thought your "green pixel" argument was a plea, rather than a proof."

It's a demonstration that Polarik's "missing green pixels" aren't missing. They appear exactly as they should once you account for the position of the letters on the background pattern, and the ringing artifact around the letters.

[canaan]

Scanian, why do you say that the PUMAs are a letdown? What did you expect that didn’t happen? I don’t understand. There are still loads of PUMA websites out there, and PUMAs are actively working to defeat the caucus system in the dem party, to illuminate and fight the misogyny in the party, and some are even fighting for this BC issue to be addressed (I know the Hillary’s Village website has ongoing BC threads going on, just as FR does). I’m curious to know why you feel they are a letdown...?

[BrerLion]

I'm fine with calling it a demonstration:) Are we square now?

Isn't it really annoying when people jump on the smallest little detail?

[wintertime]

Ford legally changed his name in 1935 in honor of his stepfather,
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No mystery here. It is part of open court record. Ford **proudly** regularized his name to match that of his stepfather. And....Ford consistently and openly **used** the name of Ford throughout his life.

So?....Where are Obama’s records? Why the mystery about his adoption, passport records, and and repatriation to the U.S? Why is Obama so ashamed of his adoptive father's name that he is not using it?

[Red Steel]

I wonder if some of these trolls, if they ran into someone as slippery, sleazy, and secretive as Obama in their personal lives, would want to have anything to do with him?

You'll notice that I never did get an answer back for my question from either of them.

[HawaiianGecko]

I'm beginning to note a psychological codependency among several freepers (if they really are) to throw around terms like Marxist, socialist, n00b, lurker, bot, obamabot, zotted (is that something you do in your sock late at night?) and troll, simply because they cannot form an argument.  I guess this is one of the new age stock issues of debate.

Most shrinks claim the motivations for this tendency are intimacy and/or power.  Since we are all online the former must not be the reason.  So why do those lacking intellect choose to use this technique?  I also have noticed your tendency to include the names of poster's not even in the discussion in your responses in order to drag them into the discussion.  I suppose this is the "running home to mama" technique? 

Your inability to respond intelligently doesn't add much to the discussion, but it does look laughably like strutting in place.  Rather than tighten your case by having it tested, you just blow arguments against you off.  It gives me this mental image of you thundering around a courtroom saying "Your Honor, I'm right and they are wrong.  Anyone that doesn't agree with me is a Marxist. They are foolish trolls that should be zotted.  Case closed."

I hope you realize your entire persona is laughable.

Your inability to respond intelligently doesn't add much to the discussion, but it does look laughably like strutting in place.  Rather than tighten your case by having it tested, you just blow arguments against you off.  It gives me this mental image of you thundering around a courtroom saying "Your Honor, I'm right and they are wrong.  Anyone that doesn't agree with me is a Marxist. They are foolish trolls that should be zotted.  Case closed."

I hope you realize your entire persona is laughable.

[trumandogz]

First, you need to prove that he was adopted.

Until then, it is just speculation.

[HawaiianGecko]

"It was humor. Shoulda tagged it as such for the humor impaired..."   Now that's humorous as my response you claim to be humor impaired was: and I'll quote and highlight it:  "You apologize for an error in grammar by repeating the exact error?  :-)"

I tagged my line as humor with the smiley face :-) indicating I saw your humor, yet, you missed it.  Brilliant!

[HawaiianGecko]

  "Other presidents had **mountains** of self-evident evidence that they were natural born."   Can you show me even **foothills** of evidence that JFK was natural born?  Can you point me to the affidavits of these people that are the neighbors, friends, and relatives that visited the newborn in the hospital and home, took meals to the family and brought him gold, and frankincense, and myrrh?

Hey, I'm an old guy and it takes a lot to get me excited these days.  Personally I think it would be a blast to discover that Obama is not eligible. That would be a constitutional crises of epic proportion and frankly, I'd like to see how it would play out.  It would certainly be the largest political science/history classroom in the history of the planet.  We could sell tickets to graduates and charge tuition to students to all the stadiums with Jumbo-Trons to watch the conclusion and collect enough money to pay for our entire national debt.  Well, it might have to go to syndication and reruns to earn that much, but you get my point.

Still, my position is that I have not seen any, let alone enough evidence that convinces me Obama is not a natural born American.  

Hurry up and call me, a guy that has voted 100% GOP since he was 21 starting in 1972 & in every national election since, a troll, a marxist, a noob, an obamabot, a plain ole bot or any of those other cute terms you guys use.  It hurts my feelings so much...  it makes my cry... :-)

[HawaiianGecko]

  "It really isn’t working for them, though. Obama’s approval rating slips again:"  Obama's numbers aren't dropping because the work of birthers.  It's dropping because he's inexperienced and believes his own hype.

[BrerLion]

Hey, I'm an old guy and it takes a lot to get me excited these days. Personally I think it would be a blast to discover that Obama is not eligible. That would be a constitutional crises of epic proportion and frankly, I'd like to see how it would play out. It would certainly be the largest political science/history classroom in the history of the planet.

My long lost twin! Where have you been?

[HawaiianGecko]

  I've slogged through Polarik's report and I think he's done a magnificent job of proving the internet copy posted on the Daily Kos, and wherever else, is a manipulation.  But, so what?  It's not proof of Obama's place of birth. I'm not disparaging the man for his work, I just don't see it's inclusion in a debate of where Obama was born and whether or not he's a natural born citizen.

You can parse his work however you want but it is simply not proof of where Obama was born or even where he wasn't born.  I don't know for sure but I would suspect the reason many don't read his 160 pages is exactly the aforementioned fact.