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I compressed some of the punctuation to post this excerpt.

Worth a full read to appreciate the scope of pretzel twisting being employed by administrators to justify costs to parents.

Carleton College Academics -- The courses and majors show a never-ending "proper thinking" LIBERAL creation factory.

Given their parents can afford $58K a year for tuition, I seriously doubt finding a job is a priority for many of these students. If their minds are property marinated in LIBERAL "thought," they will easily fit in with fellow travelers Al Gore-Barack Obama-Hillary Clinton and that crowd.

1 posted on 11/03/2013 1:42:10 AM PST by Cincinatus' Wife
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"WHAT CAN YOU DO....?"

..you can lie for Odungo

2 posted on 11/03/2013 1:45:29 AM PST by Doogle (USAF.68-73..8th TFW Ubon Thailand..never store a threat you should have eliminated))
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58k for a thorough brain washing? Parents are really paying for their kida to basically teach themselves with no marketable living and working skills.


3 posted on 11/03/2013 1:50:39 AM PST by MaxMax (Pay Attention and you'll be pissed off too! FIRE BOEHNER, NOW!)
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You can use it to line the cage of your parakeet.


4 posted on 11/03/2013 1:51:27 AM PST by fieldmarshaldj (Resist We Much)
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Dad throws $200,000 toward a degree, and another $60,000 in incidental costs over four years. At the end....what does Johnny Junior or daughter Wanda do for the money spent?

A decade ago, they got into a foundation for a year....clearing $70,000 a year and then dad’s connection got them into a Fortune 500 company at $90,000 a year. The Fortune 500 company basically worked this angle of liberal arts-welfare. They’d load up a thousand gifted liberal arts degree onto the payroll and just grin as profits came in.

2008 came, and reality sat in. Purge the liberal arts freaks and prepare for a long ‘winter’.

The liberal arts freaks are sitting there now....pulling in $70,000 at some government agency and hoping that this isn’t their permanent job in life. The problem is that they got the jobs early on, and there’s mostly nothing left at either the government or the Fortune 500 companies.

Would Wal-Mart hire them? No. How about Barnes and Noble? Full already. The local TV channel new team? If they’d accept a salary of $35,000 a year? Yes, but that’s just not acceptable.

So dad is asking stupid questions at the admissions office, and tasking them to show where these beefy jobs will be found. Fake enthusiasm is all they have right now, with a grin, and a promise that’s mostly empty.

My advice....a $10,000 a year community college degree in nursing would be a better investment than the $45,000 year liberal arts degree. In five years, we will have hundreds of thousands of dimwits with costly but worthless degrees and no free ride. Then what?


5 posted on 11/03/2013 1:55:35 AM PST by pepsionice
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What can you do? Can you look in the mirror?


7 posted on 11/03/2013 2:11:19 AM PST by Irenic (The pencil sharpener and Elmer's glue is put away-- we've lost the red wheel barrow)
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The centerpiece of the site is the “career path visualization,”

That passage by itself indicates that there is little reality in the tool provided.

8 posted on 11/03/2013 2:14:13 AM PST by Bernard (The Road To Hell is not paved with good results.)
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Liberal arts degree qualifies one to be one of these exciting professionals: hooker, escort service, porn star, used car sales rep, manure merchant, Starbucks Barista, zombie, burger joint grill commander, battle xylophone player, yak urine sample collector, medical study volunteer, professional rent a protester, telemarketer, or modern politician as no brains are apparently required to get the position either.


9 posted on 11/03/2013 2:16:20 AM PST by Darksheare (Try my coffee, first one's free..... Even robots will kill for it!)
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“I've got those steadily depressing, lowdown mind-messing, working at the car wash blues.”
— Jim Croce
10 posted on 11/03/2013 2:17:02 AM PST by twister881
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I'll buck the trend here and, as an employer, say that I hold a liberal arts degree in pretty high regard. People who have the ability to communicate can compose effective business proposals, develop marketing campaigns, develop advertising materials and fill many other valuable niches.

The problem in the US is that we're over-extended financially, and we've given power to corrupt-o-crats.

11 posted on 11/03/2013 2:38:40 AM PST by The Duke
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Every community violenteer group needs a banjo player.
12 posted on 11/03/2013 2:57:18 AM PST by deadrock (I am someone else.)
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Some studies are for their intrinsic value. They have little or no market value. You usually need LSD to “visualize “ a high- paying career from a degree in Chaucer or Eskimo Studies. And some degrees have zero value intrinsically as we’ll as Practically. Such as “ kumminity servuce” whatever the hell that may be.


14 posted on 11/03/2013 3:12:25 AM PST by faithhopecharity
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The LEFT turned a liberal arts education into an anti-Western, communist indoctrination. So, unless you are a “community organizer” hellbent on the destruction of capitalism, where real money is made, life for you sucks.

Imagine you have no money, no job and at the same time, you think Shakespeare is just an old, racist, selfish, white man? A lifetime of stupidity can really be a drag.


15 posted on 11/03/2013 3:38:55 AM PST by SC_Pete
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My son graduated High School and came to me and said he wanted to go to College and study Music.

His best friend was going and that was what he was studying.
I could see he wanted to go and play so I asked him if he intended to be a music teacher in high school. The answer was no, and I refused to pay for a waste of time. He did not go to college, but he found a job and he is doing well.

His friend graduated and ended up driving a dump truck, then he married well and lived off his wifes money. All of us cannot be that lucky.


16 posted on 11/03/2013 3:44:06 AM PST by Venturer (Keep Obama and you aint seen nothing yet.)
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Liberal arts...........progressive, socialist, facist, communist, manifesto training coarses. The future politicians


17 posted on 11/03/2013 3:54:37 AM PST by ronnie raygun
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Hillsdale College is a liberal arts school and anything but liberal.


18 posted on 11/03/2013 4:06:44 AM PST by cripplecreek (REMEMBER THE RIVER RAISIN!)
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A classical liberal arts education is worth its weight in gold, but it’s not job training. It’s life training.


19 posted on 11/03/2013 4:09:51 AM PST by St_Thomas_Aquinas ( Isaiah 22:22, Matthew 16:19, Revelation 3:7)
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As a computer science professor, its kind of sad when you see these kids who already have a BA or BS in something else show up wanting to join your major. These are typically people who did programming at some point in their lives, but were attracted to (or talked into) something else. After graduating, they found out the only jobs they could get were the same ones a HS graduate could get. The really sad part is that they wasted 4 years and have little more to show for it than debt. In that way, its worse than going back to square one.


21 posted on 11/03/2013 4:16:10 AM PST by rbg81
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I learned as a child that the A was for becoming a well-rounded person. The professional degrees were for becoming a professional person.

The second’s for the boardroom, and the first one’s for the door to beginning to get there by being able to talk to people in the first place.


22 posted on 11/03/2013 4:19:11 AM PST by combat_boots (The Lion of Judah cometh. Hallelujah. Gloria Patri, Filio et Spiritui Sancto!)
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http://www.forbes.com/sites/jacquelynsmith/2012/06/05/americas-best-paying-blue-collar-jobs-2/

Lots of high paying blue collar jobs. My son is a roughneck on an offshore oil rig in the Gulf of Mexico making $65,000. When he was hired he had years of construction experience, but had never working in the oil industry. He’s on a 2 weeks on/2 weeks off schedule working 12 hrs. shifts.

It’s a hard job and rarely can someone over 40 y/o work like that, but he’s taking classes in petroleum services and hoping to eventually get an office job.


23 posted on 11/03/2013 4:19:17 AM PST by Atlantan
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The problem is not what they think it is.

Colleges like Carleton have distorted their course offerings far, far away from the classic "liberal arts".

A true liberal education included Latin, possibly Greek, English composition, and some "hard reasoning" courses - philosophy, history, literature. That taught one HOW to think and in the old days ("old" like Plato and the medieval Schoolmen) was preparation for the sciences - mathematics, astronomy, music (yep, music is a science).

For political reasons (and also because it was "too hard" to admit the general population and the slackers) this has been heavily watered down. The literature and history courses consist mostly of hard left grievance politics, and reasoning has disappeared from philosophy and history.

There are schools that are trying to keep up the old rigorous approach, but in an era of mass college education they will always be outliers.

29 posted on 11/03/2013 4:37:27 AM PST by AnAmericanMother (Ecce Crucem Domini, fugite partes adversae. Vicit Leo de Tribu Iuda, Radix David, Alleluia!)
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