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The Problem with Cliven Bundy: His plight is sympathetic; his actions are hard to defend.
National Review ^ | 04/16/2014 | Charles C.W. Cooke

Posted on 04/16/2014 9:56:23 AM PDT by SeekAndFind

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To: Usagi_yo

I know that.


61 posted on 04/16/2014 10:59:34 AM PDT by cloudmountain
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To: SeekAndFind

Acquaint yourself with Nevada grazing law - as I have stated, the Bundy’s grazing easement, by Nevada law, preceded the federal “ownership” of the land - the right of the federal government to own “claimed” (within state boundaries) land is in question here. It seems clear by the essay cited above that they don’t have that right. An easement is not abolished by a change of ownership - even if the feds are the new owner.

Bundy has the grazing easement on the land, which means the new owners, the feds, cannot fetter his access according to the easement. Charging a fee for access he owns is fettering. Consider - if a landowner has an access easement across another person’s land, and that land sells, the new owner cannot start charging a toll for the first person to use his access easement. The first person is free to use the easement to access his land, at will and free of charge...unless otherwise stated in the easement.

So - Bundy was there first, he owns the easement by Nevada law, the feds cannot restrict his continued use of the easement he owns - either by blockage or fees.


62 posted on 04/16/2014 11:02:34 AM PDT by GilesB
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To: DoodleDawg
The USSR and Nazi Germany also had “the law on its side”—as did King George III prior to the War of Independence. And then a bunch of disloyal “lawless” louts wrote the following:
We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness; that to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed; that whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness.
If you hate the country so established, by all means depart from it.
63 posted on 04/16/2014 11:03:03 AM PDT by Olog-hai
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To: DoodleDawg

Thanks for your support of activist kritocracy over the rule of law.


64 posted on 04/16/2014 11:03:42 AM PDT by Olog-hai
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To: Usagi_yo
U.S Congress cannot delegate it’s legislative authority.

Unfortunately, they have ceded it to the President. Nullifying their very existence.

65 posted on 04/16/2014 11:04:09 AM PDT by rjsimmon (The Tree of Liberty Thirsts)
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To: DoodleDawg

The Founding Fathers would have loved to hear your attitude. The rule of force trumps the rule of law, then?


66 posted on 04/16/2014 11:06:06 AM PDT by Olog-hai
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To: CWCoop

Too many people think they get to be judge for a day whenever they want.

I tried reading up on the issue with Bundy to see how far up the court system it went, but almost everything presented so far on FR is just confusing dreck focusing on ‘the infamous they’, instead of the legal merits of the case from both sides.

Bundy should limit his pictures to the media. 50% of the people are just going to see a whining overweight white man in a cowboy hat.


67 posted on 04/16/2014 11:06:07 AM PDT by Usagi_yo (Islamunism = Facism + Islam : Islamunist = someone that adheres to Islamunism.)
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To: SeekAndFind

pflr


68 posted on 04/16/2014 11:06:41 AM PDT by BrandtMichaels
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To: DoodleDawg

Nevada range law is very clear on this point - however, I think Bundy has been arguing jurisdiction, when he should be arguing his easement rights.

The courts are part of the legal system, they are NOT the law.


69 posted on 04/16/2014 11:07:07 AM PDT by GilesB
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To: rjsimmon

I love the cowards that hide behind “legally, Bundy doesn’t have a leg to stand on.”

This assumes ALL laws are just and valid. The left ignores laws they don’t like at will but I don’t see anyone saying they don’t legally have a leg to stand on. No, people like Cooke just look the other way.

So the Feds and courts arbitrarily say some of the land is now “protected” without recourse or compensation to farmers, ranches and miners that have leases. They have LEGAL contracts that the government ignored and then used their muscle to destroy. Criminal!

Remember how those GM and Chrysler bond holders had the law of a contract ignored by Obama? So Obama, legally, didn’t have a leg to stand on. Did that stop him? No.

Instead we got even RINO’s and so-called conservatives (plenty on FR) saying “what, did you want them to go out of business?” Yes, if that’s the result of their bad management. But we have bankruptcy courts that weren’t even used. So many knees jerked it was laughable. If that thinking had prevailed 150 years ago we’d still be subsidizing stagecoaches.


70 posted on 04/16/2014 11:07:07 AM PDT by Fledermaus (I support Joe Carr in the TN GOP Primary against Lamar!)
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To: Usagi_yo

Many people think that if it’s law it can’t be evil.

No rest for the soul can be found in such philosophy.


71 posted on 04/16/2014 11:07:49 AM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (Embrace the Lion of Judah and He will roar for you and teach you to roar too. See my page.)
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To: SeekAndFind
OK, that’s Nevada law, what does Federal Law say? And which law trumps which in this country according to the constitution?

You are likely looking for the answer that Federal law trumps states' laws. But find me a passage in the Constitution that allows for the Fed to make laws regarding these issues?
72 posted on 04/16/2014 11:08:12 AM PDT by Svartalfiar
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To: pallis

Every member of those units should be charged for treason.


73 posted on 04/16/2014 11:08:17 AM PDT by Fledermaus (I support Joe Carr in the TN GOP Primary against Lamar!)
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To: cuban leaf

Really? You think the law is being applied to Holder - or Obama for that matter - the same way it is enFORCED on you and me? Or was that /sarc? Or /how it should be?


74 posted on 04/16/2014 11:09:46 AM PDT by piytar (The predator-class is furious that their prey are shooting back.)
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To: Svartalfiar

I see instead multifarious violations of the Tenth Amendment on the part of the feds.


75 posted on 04/16/2014 11:10:12 AM PDT by Olog-hai
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To: DannyTN

Why not? The left pick and choose everyday. Another judge just today stayed an Ohio law stating marriage is between one man and one woman.

What’s good for the goose...

But I supposedall this would work out well if we just had tariffs.


76 posted on 04/16/2014 11:11:19 AM PDT by Fledermaus (I support Joe Carr in the TN GOP Primary against Lamar!)
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To: rjsimmon
Bundy is correct. The BLM illegally annexed State land.

Never happened. The land was federal land under the Treaty that ended the Mexican War, which was before Nevada ever became a state. When Nevada was admitted to the Union, it disclaimed any interest in federal lands within its borders.

77 posted on 04/16/2014 11:11:54 AM PDT by Lurking Libertarian (Non sub homine, sed sub Deo et lege)
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To: piytar

Yeah, why can’t Obama be a gracious emperor here.

I do not know whether to laugh or cry.


78 posted on 04/16/2014 11:12:12 AM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (Embrace the Lion of Judah and He will roar for you and teach you to roar too. See my page.)
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To: DoodleDawg
Among other things he didn't pay fees to graze his cattle.

Proven false. Read more.

79 posted on 04/16/2014 11:13:02 AM PDT by Fledermaus (I support Joe Carr in the TN GOP Primary against Lamar!)
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To: Lurking Libertarian

Well what should those lands then be called? They aren’t Nevada, then. Somebody tell the map makers please!


80 posted on 04/16/2014 11:13:36 AM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (Embrace the Lion of Judah and He will roar for you and teach you to roar too. See my page.)
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