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The Problem with Cliven Bundy: His plight is sympathetic; his actions are hard to defend.
National Review ^ | 04/16/2014 | Charles C.W. Cooke

Posted on 04/16/2014 9:56:23 AM PDT by SeekAndFind



Which is to say that the stirring defenses of Bundy to which both Powerline’s John Hinderaker and National Review’s own Kevin D. Williamson have committed this week are all well and good, but that they ultimately conflate two questions that no ordered republic can have conflated for too long. Hinderaker rightly contends that the federal government has “squeezed the ranchers in southern Nevada by limiting the acres on which their cattle can graze” — the effect of which “has been to drive the ranchers out of business”; that, preposterously, “the federal government owns more than 80 percent of the state of Nevada,” a number common in many Western states; and that, ultimately, “Cliven Bundy is just one more victim of progress and changing mores.” These grievances serve as an indictment of the regulatory state, yes. But they do not serve as an executioner for our ailing rule of law. If Cliven Bundy’s behavior is legitimized by the gravity of his circumstances, how many others may follow suit, singing his name as they go?

Hinderaker concedes at the outset that “legally, Bundy doesn’t have a leg to stand on,” that Bundy’s claim that the federal government does not own the land is flagrantly incorrect, and that Bundy has been relegated to defending himself because “no lawyer could make that argument.” (I’d quibble with the last point, but perhaps we know different lawyers.) Then he suggests that Bundy didn’t have a chance in the “age of Obama.” This is a strange claim to make. The rule of law, as my editor Rich Lowry noted yesterday morning, has been extolled by presidents for centuries if not millennia, among them Abraham Lincoln, who hoped that “reverence for the laws” would “become the political religion of the nation” and that “the old and the young, the rich and the poor, the grave and the gay, of all sexes and tongues, and colors and conditions,” would “sacrifice unceasingly upon its altars.” Are we really to believe that the government’s backing up its rules with force is unique to Obama? And why would we imagine that Bundy would have a chance if he doesn’t have a case?

That there is a point beyond which the state may not advance without expecting legitimate pushback is acknowledged by even the most committed of the state’s enablers. Indeed, this principle is baked into America’s instruction manual — albeit with a caveat. “Whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive,” the Declaration reads, “it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government.” But it also chides the hotheaded among us, inviting us to remember that “prudence, indeed, will dictate that Governments long established should not be changed for light and transient Causes.” As far as we know, Bundy is not set on starting a revolution. (Although any shots fired would, certainly, have been heard around the world.) But then he isn’t set on civil disobedience as we understand it, either. There is a compact that governs disobedience, and it might be said to follow an old Spanish proverb: “Take what you want but pay for it.” Bundy did not ready himself for prison in order to make a point, but hoped that his obstinacy would lead to a direct change in policy with no consequences to himself. He wished, in other words, to win — nothing more, nothing less. That, in a vacuum, his winning looks good to limited-government types such as myself remains beside the point. If he can opt out, who cannot?

Setting out to make “the case for a little sedition,” my colleague Kevin Williamson ended up making a whole lot more, relying for his rhetorical firepower on wholesale revolutionaries Mohandas Gandhi and George Washington — men, lest you forget, who succeeded in bringing down the existing order in its entirety. “Mr. Bundy’s stand should not be construed as a general template for civic action,” Williamson writes, thereby demonstrating the problem rather neatly: When you change the government, you do not need to worry about setting a precedent; when you merely disobey it, you are setting yourself above a system that remains in force. Respectfully, I would venture that Williamson is here suggesting that he is to be the arbiter of legitimate rebellion — a peculiar position for a libertarian concerned with the integrity of the political process to adopt.

When can one refuse to obey the law without expecting to bring the whole thing down? Certainly such instances exist: I daresay that I would not stand idly by quoting John Adams if a state reintroduced slavery or herded a religious group into ovens or even indulged in wholesale gun confiscation. But Bundy’s case is not remotely approaching these thresholds. Are we to presume that if the government is destroying one’s livelihood or breaking one’s ties with the past, one can revolt? If so, one suspects that half the country would march on Washington, with scimitars drawn, and that West Virginia would invade the Environmental Protection Agency.

Speaking in 1838, Abraham Lincoln argued,

When I so pressingly urge a strict observance of all the laws, let me not be understood as saying there are no bad laws, nor that grievances may not arise, for the redress of which, no legal provisions have been made. — I mean to say no such thing.

Nor I. As government expands and civil society retreats, bad laws pile atop bad laws, and the cause for dissent is magnified and deepened. Cliven Bundy has been dealt a raw hand by a system that is deaf to his grievances and ham-fisted in its response. But this is a republic, dammit — and those who hope to keep it cannot pick and choose the provisions with which they are willing to deign to comply.

— Charles C. W. Cooke is a staff writer at National Review.


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Government; News/Current Events; US: Nevada
KEYWORDS: abuseofpower; blm; bundy; clivenbundy; nevada; sympathetic
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To: cuban leaf

Glad I’m not the only one whose eyes glazed over at the third paragraph. But I’ve always had trouble with NR’s scribes...


41 posted on 04/16/2014 10:26:28 AM PDT by miss marmelstein (Richard Lives Yet!)
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To: Conservative Gato
Statism is much more important for these people and to hell with individual liberties and freedoms.

That could very well be due to very few people knowing what those two words even mean, let alone the difference and why Liberty is essential to a society.

42 posted on 04/16/2014 10:26:34 AM PDT by rjsimmon (The Tree of Liberty Thirsts)
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To: TexasCajun

You are in Tesac, correct?


43 posted on 04/16/2014 10:26:50 AM PDT by sport
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To: Olog-hai
What “law” did Bundy break?

Among other things he didn't pay fees to graze his cattle.

Should Christians submit to unjust laws, by tangential logic? How about ex post facto laws, by another tangent?

If you believe a law is unjust then morally you are free to oppose it. But also be prepared to pay the penalty for your stand.

44 posted on 04/16/2014 10:27:31 AM PDT by DoodleDawg
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To: DoodleDawg

From what I have heard, the first time Bundy was bothered was in 1993. Who became Preezy that year?


45 posted on 04/16/2014 10:28:27 AM PDT by dforest
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To: SeekAndFind

An argument can be made that neither Nevada nor the federal government has the authority to void the limitations on what land within a State the federal government is authorized to have per Article 1 Section 8, Paragraph 17 of the US Constitution.

“To exercise exclusive legislation in all cases whatsoever, over such District (not exceeding ten miles square) as may, by cession of particular states, and the acceptance of Congress, become the seat of the government of the United States, and to exercise like authority over all places purchased by the consent of the legislature of the state in which the same shall be, for the erection of forts, magazines, arsenals, dockyards, and other needful buildings”


46 posted on 04/16/2014 10:29:42 AM PDT by Mechanicos (When did we amend the Constitution for a 2nd Federal Prohibition?)
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To: DoodleDawg

No, actually the law is on Bundy’s side - meaning the written law. Apparently the legal system is on the fed’s side. But as written, Bundy owns a grazing easement on the land. The BLM can only charge a “management fee”, if they do not manage properly, and he refuses to pay for a job they aren’t doing, it does not give them the right to tamper with his easement.

Bundy needs better lawyers.


47 posted on 04/16/2014 10:30:42 AM PDT by GilesB
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To: DoodleDawg

“An abusive government which at the end of the day still has the law on its side.”

So did the Soviet Union.


48 posted on 04/16/2014 10:32:21 AM PDT by Luke21
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To: SeekAndFind

Couldn’t disagree more. His actions were mild compared to what is needed. There is no reason whatever to respect “the law” today as “the law” does not respect we, the people. If it has become open season on any member of government, it is their own fault for their arrogance and anti-American hatred of the citizens.


49 posted on 04/16/2014 10:32:43 AM PDT by CWCoop
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To: DoodleDawg
The courts have ruled against him at every stage.

hmmmm...you could make a similar argument for the second amendment being a 'collective' right and not an individual right pre-Heller and segregation.

Might want to re-think your argument.

50 posted on 04/16/2014 10:34:25 AM PDT by Abundy
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To: SeekAndFind
"OK, that’s Nevada law, what does Federal Law say?"

Its right here:

Tenth Amendment: "The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States respectively, or to the people"

51 posted on 04/16/2014 10:36:03 AM PDT by Mad Dawgg (If you're going to deny my 1st Amendment rights then I must proceed to the 2nd one...)
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To: sand88

Yep. The left never give up in the courts on something they want. They will keep going back until they get it.
Respect for the law has to come from both sides or it no longer works.


52 posted on 04/16/2014 10:36:47 AM PDT by sheana
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To: Mad Dawgg

RE: The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States

So, owning Federal Land is NOT a power delegated to the United States by the constitution?


53 posted on 04/16/2014 10:38:34 AM PDT by SeekAndFind (If at first you don't succeed, put it out for beta test.)
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To: sand88

I’m an urban old lady who lives in MA.

I know nothing about ranching,cattle,grazing,the BLM,or Nevada———but as long as the government goes after a man like this and ignores the invasion at our southern border I will be against the government.

I am disgusted!

.


54 posted on 04/16/2014 10:39:20 AM PDT by Mears
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To: GilesB
Apparently the legal system is on the fed’s side. But as written, Bundy owns a grazing easement on the land. The BLM can only charge a “management fee”, if they do not manage properly, and he refuses to pay for a job they aren’t doing, it does not give them the right to tamper with his easement.

That is what he has claimed but I don't think the courts have agreed with him.

Bundy needs better lawyers.

Maybe

55 posted on 04/16/2014 10:47:11 AM PDT by DoodleDawg
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To: DoodleDawg

Bundy was not required to pay fees to graze his cattle. As I understand it, BLM charges for range management, at least in Nevada. 50% of the money received is to go to the state - and Bundy has paid this - and 50% is to go to “range betterment projects”, which Bundy says is not being done and he therefor refuses to pay.

From the Taylor Grazing Act:
Use of District Lands. The Secretary must permit free grazing of domestic livestock within districts. Nothing in the Act is intended to prevent the use of timber, stone, gravel, clay, coal and other deposits by miners, prospectors, settlers and residents. Further, the Act must not restrict: the acquisition, granting or use of permits or rights-of-way within grazing districts under laws existing before the adoption of the Act; ingress or egress over public lands in these districts; prospecting, locating, developing, mining, entering, leasing or patenting mineral resources of grazing districts under applicable law. § 315d and 315e.

Note that the Act must not restrict, among other things, “the use of permits or rights-of-way within grazing districts under laws existing before the adoption of the Act.” Nevada grazing law was in place long before the Taylor Grazing Act, and Bundy’s family had established their grazing easement (right-of-way) well before the Act.


56 posted on 04/16/2014 10:48:34 AM PDT by GilesB
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To: rjsimmon; Psalm 144

Yeah, when the influence of the radical progressives of the 60’s started taking over the education system, academia, the entertainment industry, the media, the government, etc. some people were doomed to their influences and refuse to see how destructive their statist influences have been on America’s Constitution and our liberties and freedoms.

They can’t even wake up to see how the statist dream has already failed. We’re 17 trillion dollars in the hole and growing trying to keep their statist dreams alive. In 10 years it grows to 27 trillion, they have no clue how it has already failed keeping the big government statist dream alive. At some point, it completely crumbles because there is not enough tax money to keep it going. What’s left is tyranny to try to keep it alive like what we witnessed over the weekend in Nevada. They need to wake up soon or they will continue to be complicit in the destruction of our Constitutionally protected liberties and freedoms or what is left of it.

Much of the answer is the left’s culture of influence, that has been so destructive to America, is to be torn down and rebuilt using our Constitution as the guide.

CGato


57 posted on 04/16/2014 10:53:16 AM PDT by Conservative Gato
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To: sand88

I caught part of that hour yesterday and can identify with what Levin was saying. The abuse of power goes more directly to the over-reacting with overwhelming and unnecessary force, IMO. What that force exposed was the outside elements (read a certain US Senator from NV, his family, and their economic self-interest/self-dealing) at work in this matter with the abuse of power in elected office. It’s like the 1770’s all over again with elected officials acting as if they’ve been crowned.


58 posted on 04/16/2014 10:53:58 AM PDT by T-Bird45 (It feels like the seventies, and it shouldn't.)
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To: cloudmountain

U.S Congress cannot delegate it’s legislative authority.


59 posted on 04/16/2014 10:56:51 AM PDT by Usagi_yo (Islamunism = Facism + Islam : Islamunist = someone that adheres to Islamunism.)
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To: SeekAndFind

Cooke is a wuss. Our republic is dead. No one wants to fight off the socialist or seriously stop this massive federal power grab into every aspect of our lives.

What happened to “Standing Athwart History Yelling Stop” National Review? You guys should change it to “Move Along, Nothing To See Here!”

Cowards.


60 posted on 04/16/2014 10:59:10 AM PDT by Fledermaus (I support Joe Carr in the TN GOP Primary against Lamar!)
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