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Video of Sandra Bland's arrest ignites firestorm of reactions (Video at link)
CNN.com ^ | July 22, 2015 | Holly Yan and Dana Ford

Posted on 07/22/2015 8:09:54 AM PDT by Mad Dawgg

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To: TXDuke
1. The State Patrol monies come from the taxpayer. How about taking away some of that money, and put it into real crime enforcement? Like rape, robbery, murder? DUI and reckless driving should be the top priority of the State Patrol, not changing lanes without a indicator light with no traffic around. De fund some of the money the State Patrol is getting.

2. I guess you are really a strict follower of the law. If they changed the law so that gun ownership is outlawed, then I am sure you will be the first to take away our guns. After all, it is the law.

3. People drive. Houston is full of black people. This police officer is marked. I will bet you anything he will be off the force in 6 months as the furor over this traffic stop increases.

4.Cops are getting a bad press because they are disrespectful to everyone.

If a cop pulls me over, and asks me where I am going , which is none of their business, I will refuse to answer. All the while videoing the interaction. If I get pulled out and harrassed, lawsuit time. That is a violation of my constitutional rights, and not only will I sue the police, I will personally sue the cop.

And yes, I dont live in Texas. But that video is blatant cop arrogance & overreach. I also think you must have some bad weed over there if cigs and clover can cover up the smell.

281 posted on 07/22/2015 2:42:33 PM PDT by kaila
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To: TXDuke
Please tell me your suggestions.So no laws should ever be enforced or followed or just those laws that you like??

I am not in control. I have no power, authority and even my vote has been cancelled out thanks to government. I'm just making observations.

In fact, one observation would be this cop and his attitude with this lone non-threatening female occupant, would last about 2 days in south central LA. He wouldn't know a thing about common sense basic discretion or how to calm or deescalate a situation. He'd get a real lesson and be headed back to Waller County Texas asap...On his own accord or otherwise.

282 posted on 07/22/2015 2:46:45 PM PDT by dragnet2 (Diversion and evasion are tools of deceit)
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To: kaila

1. State Patrol monies are completely separate from city/county coffers. Most revenue for DPS tickets actually go to the local counties so they’re already funneled into local priorities. Law Enforcement is just not a priority for many large cities, especially sanctuary cities. That isn’t the cop’s fault cause he has no control over that. Those are your elected officials’ faults. Hold them accountable.

Also, since you seem to be uninformed about a lot of things. Speeding and other traffic violations (including illegal lane changes) cause more deaths on the highway than DWI/DUI and all other causes combined each year.

2. No, because I am also an Oath Keeper and the anti-gun laws go against the Constitution. The traffic laws do not go against the Constitutions. The laws requiring her to follow lawful, reasonable orders does not go against the Constitution. You’re comparing oranges to apples.

3. I’ll bet he isn’t off of the force and even if he leaves DPS, he’ll land another job at another department. I promise you that. Yes, Houston has a lot of black people and so does south Dallas, but whites and conservatives still greatly outnumber them, which is why they don’t riot in TX.

4. You are wrong on so many levels with this one. First of all, you can refuse to answer, but then the cop has the right to check your history, background, etc. Second, a cop can pull you out of the car for ANY reason. SCOTUS has already upheld that so you have no recourse for suing. If you get combative, then you’ll just go to jail. Staying in your car and/or being combative are NOT your civil rights. So again, no recourse for suing. Finally, you can’t sue the cop in TX personally if he has not violated the law. He is immune due to a broad good faith clause in the law. That is the same in most States.

Again, you are showing your ignorance of the law and law enforcement.


283 posted on 07/22/2015 2:55:06 PM PDT by TXDuke
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To: TXDuke
He could have handled it better or differently,

Ya think? Had he handled it better and differently this person would not have been arrested........Duh!

He is accountable for his actions

Yes indeed, he is!

She is accountable for her actions, hence she went to jail.

Your entire lame argument above admits that the LEO was out of line......And now the female is dead because of the excessive actions of the LEO which you have admitted were out of line.

She made her own choices and is accountable for her own actions.

No, her actions were in a direct response to those of the LEO's which you have already admitted were out of line...........

284 posted on 07/22/2015 2:55:21 PM PDT by Hot Tabasco (<i>)
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To: dragnet2

I love people that make big boasts with nothing to back it up. Do you really think every cop, every time is polite to every person in LA? I’m sure all of those criminals there love their arresting officers and often go to their house for Sunday dinners....BS

You sound like someone that is either very young or not based completely in reality.

You still haven’t answered if your suggesting complete anarchy or just enforcing selective laws versus all laws??


285 posted on 07/22/2015 2:58:03 PM PDT by TXDuke
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To: Hot Tabasco

Did the cop violate the law? NO!

Did she violate the law? YES! YES! YES!

So you’re saying that anyone can violate the law if we dislike the law or dislike the person enforcing the law. Got it! Please use that next time you get pulled over and see how well it works out.

Her behavior was a direct result of her choices. How hard is that to understand?? Please tell me how he forced her to disobey his lawful order or fight with him....

I never said his actions were out of line. His attitude MAY have been, but his actions were completely within the law. Her actions were unlawful.

How is it that he is responsible for his actions, but she isn’t responsible for hers?? That is kind of a stupid double-standard.


286 posted on 07/22/2015 3:01:49 PM PDT by TXDuke
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To: Mad Dawgg

The badged thug had his feelings hurt violates protocol making stupid remarks, then illegaly makes the threat “I’ll light you up” with a tazer, a tool that has killed quite a few people. Of course, the cops*ckers, blue team, and the associated unions, cop spokespeople are all okay with the device used as if to herd cattle. There is a chance of death, but oh well right? This isn’t acceptable. People who refuse to get up and then a tazer is used violates the force continuum police are trained on. Threatening, pointing that tazer warrants a death sentence under deprivation of rights.


287 posted on 07/22/2015 3:04:37 PM PDT by TheBigJ
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To: TXDuke
1.State monies is from the taxpayer. There is only so much you can get from them. It is a pie. If people perceive they are not getting true law enforcement, then the slice of the pie the SP gets will decrease, because most people are not going to vote for tax increases. Therefore, the SP should strive to avoid angering the public by enforcement if nit pick laws.
2. Asking me where I am going, is a violation of my 4th amendment rights. That would constitute a forced verbal search.
The only reason why you cops get away with asking the question of
drivers whereabouts, with no probable cause, is because it has not been judged in front of SCOTUS. The whole thing is like a stop and frisk in NY, without the frisk, and it was deemed unconstitutional there. Stopping me for changing a lane, or speeding does not give you the right to ask me where I am going, unless you have probable cause to determine that I am involved in drugs.
288 posted on 07/22/2015 3:04:50 PM PDT by kaila
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To: Hot Tabasco

The female is dead, because the female killed herself.

The female was jailed, because she behaved like an ass and assaulted a cop.

I don’t think the cop was out of line at all. I think the cop was perfectly pleasant to her until she began to behave like a complete idiot to him.

She should have handled things differently.


289 posted on 07/22/2015 3:05:23 PM PDT by chris37 (Heartless)
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To: Hot Tabasco

BTW...the cop that arrested her did NOT kill her. He was nowhere near her when she died. He didn’t even have access to her jail cell per jail protocol. Therefore you contributed to her death about as much as he did. If she committed suicide then she made that choice all on her own as well.


290 posted on 07/22/2015 3:06:37 PM PDT by TXDuke
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To: TheBigJ

Interesting opinion, but that is all your comment is.

Nothing the cop did violated TX law. Using the taser does not violate TX law.


291 posted on 07/22/2015 3:08:02 PM PDT by TXDuke
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To: kaila

1. TX doesn’t quite work like that, but try again. In TX, we’re happy with our LEOs. We could care less what out-of-staters think.

2. Asking where you’re going or been is not a violation of your 4th amendment rights and it has been before SCOTUS and upheld. It is not a ‘verbal search’, which is a stupid concept to begin with.

BTW...the traffic stop is a violation of the law that gives the cop probable cause to stop you and question you.

Quit watching Judge Judy and actually read the law for once. Your posts are getting dumber and dumber.


292 posted on 07/22/2015 3:12:02 PM PDT by TXDuke
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To: PghBaldy
Given the cop has a hispanic last name, how much does the left really want to push this?


293 posted on 07/22/2015 3:13:08 PM PDT by grey_whiskers (The opinions are solely those of the author and are subject to change without notice.)
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To: TXDuke
Do you really think every cop, every time is polite to every person in LA? I’m sure all of those criminals there love their arresting officers and often go to their house for Sunday dinners..

You are naive. You completely failed to notice or recognize the racial tensions and the mood of the country towards government. It's changed dramatically. You clearly have no clue here. Like I mentioned earlier, it's as if you're living in 1951.

This was a non-threatening lone female traffic infraction stop. This became inordinately clear to this cop very quickly. He didn't handle it right. There was no discretion used here. This didn't need to happen. This cop wouldn't recognize common sense discretion if it hit him broadside on Interstate 10.

He clearly wanted to escalate this and that's exactly what he got.

He's supposed to be the professional who interacts with public, who is supposed to recognize what is a threat and what is not? No? He had no intention of doing any of that.

He was going to show her who was the boss, and who had the authority. So there ya have it.

This will cost the folks down there in Texas millions. Just raise the property taxes. Get the tax paying peons to pay for his pay for his untouchable authority.

Get your wallets out....

294 posted on 07/22/2015 3:13:30 PM PDT by dragnet2 (Diversion and evasion are tools of deceit)
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To: dragnet2

Racial tensions does not justify giving a black person a free ride. LEOs in TX treat everyone the same. A violator is a violator and nobody gets punished or free passes because of their color.

How can you use the ‘racial tensions’ argument, while complaining that cops are not doing enough against illegals??? Your ‘racial tension’ argument would prevent LEOs from going after the very illegals that you insist local cops should be deporting.

Since the cop didn’t violate the law this family will not be able to sue the department or the State even if he violated policy. TX has a good faith law so the family is out of luck.


295 posted on 07/22/2015 3:19:04 PM PDT by TXDuke
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To: TXDuke

This was a non-threatening lone female traffic infraction stop. This became inordinately clear to this cop very quickly. He didn’t handle it right. There was no discretion used here. This didn’t need to happen. This cop wouldn’t recognize common sense discretion if it hit him broadside on Interstate 10.


296 posted on 07/22/2015 3:19:35 PM PDT by dragnet2 (Diversion and evasion are tools of deceit)
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To: TXDuke

I have never been to Texas, but anyone watching that video would think the cop was arrogant. You think Texans are happy with their LEOs, but how do you know that? Texans are most likely anti authority, which does not fit in with your perception.
I won’t answer a cops question that i think is intrusive, at the most I would lie.

Now, go out and ticket people for minor things, and see how far your department gets love and approval from the public.


297 posted on 07/22/2015 3:20:18 PM PDT by kaila
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To: kaila
1. Pulling over a driver for not using lights is ridiculous. Why even bother? Isn’t there other , more pressing tasks this cop could do? Like actually fight crime?

It's not. Classic broken windows maneuver. Criminals tend to figure, in for a penny, in for a pound. Cops catch a ton of criminals with warrants out for their arrest while stopping them for minor traffic violations. That's why traffic stops are so dangerous for cops, yet so vital for catching perps.

298 posted on 07/22/2015 3:20:51 PM PDT by Zhang Fei (Let us pray that peace be now restored to the world and that God will preserve it always.)
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To: TXDuke
BTW...the cop that arrested her did NOT kill her

Never said he did.......But HE was the one who arrested her and I've already addressed that issue above.........

Nice try

299 posted on 07/22/2015 3:21:11 PM PDT by Hot Tabasco (<i>)
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To: Mr. K
We don”t know all the facts yet.
300 posted on 07/22/2015 3:21:12 PM PDT by Chgogal (Obama "hung the SEALs out to dry, basically exposed them like a set of dog balls..." CMH)
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