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Brass tacks discussion on Islam

Posted on 11/18/2015 8:12:10 PM PST by Jim Robinson

Ok, let's get down to brass tacks.

How long has the Islam religion been around and have they always been so hateful and violent (like so many of them are today)?

I believe they claim to be direct descendants of Abraham but I also believe that Abraham was a favorite of our one true Judeo-Christian God, and was the father or grandfather of the Jewish and Christian religions.

I have a hard time believing that our loving Judeo-Christian God is also the Islam God, Allah, whose Muslim followers seem to be so misplaced.

Haven't the warlike Muslim tribes fanned out and violently conquered every nation in their 1400 year path of conquest?

Did God command them to conquer and dominate the entire world? Did he command them to demand infidels to submit, convert or die?

Who and what are these people and who is Allah?

This Muslim violence seems to have been going on worldwide for at least 1400 years.

Could it be that Islam IS the enemy (despite Obama's many denials)?


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1 posted on 11/18/2015 8:12:10 PM PST by Jim Robinson
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2 posted on 11/18/2015 8:14:08 PM PST by musicman (Until I see the REAL Long Form Vault BC, he's just "PRES__ENT" Obama = Without "ID")
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To: Jim Robinson

Allah is the moon God and Mohammed was an evil pedophile and psychopath.

End of story. Islam is, was, and always will be anti-Christ


3 posted on 11/18/2015 8:15:13 PM PST by Nifster (I see puppy dogs in the clouds)
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To: Jim Robinson

muslims do not assimilate (it is against islam).
muslims do not socialize with non-believers (it is against islam).
Large numbers of muslims do not contribute to society, economically or culturally.
muslims do not do anything for non-believers.
All muslims are taught to deceive, hate and kill unbelievers.
Nowhere in the world have muslims shown they can peacefully coexist with non-believers.

Can someone explain why we need these people anongst us?


4 posted on 11/18/2015 8:15:38 PM PST by umgud
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One need only look at the man who started islam to understand why it is such a violent cult of personality. I consider islam to be a cult of personality, not a religion.
5 posted on 11/18/2015 8:16:21 PM PST by AlaskaErik (I served and protected my country for 31 years. Progressives spent that time trying to destroy it.)
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To: umgud

That’s pretty shocking. Has anyone informed Obama?


6 posted on 11/18/2015 8:17:30 PM PST by Jim Robinson (Resistance to tyrants is obedience to to God!)
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Islam is a lie from the Pit. They deny Christ is the Son of God. They deny the Trinity. They believe in works based "salvation" and that jihad is a guarantee to what they call Paradise.

Islam is a lie and is our enemy.

7 posted on 11/18/2015 8:18:36 PM PST by ealgeone
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They are a direct descendant of Abraham which God warned about.

They do not follow the same God. God gave a test for angels and the angel talking to Mohamed fails the test so they are satanic. Their god tells them to kill until there is nothing left but muslims. Their god enslaves women.

Evil end of story for all non-muslims IF THEY WANT TO SURVIVE.

8 posted on 11/18/2015 8:19:30 PM PST by Lady Heron
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Mohamed came to the fore in 600 something and there's no way he was descended from Ismail. He was a blood thirsty, perverted lunatic, who cobbled together a few parts of the OT and NT and a whole LOT of his own ravings and junk from the pagan religion he was born into.

They are all still stuck in that era ( all of today's Muslims, but especially the terrorist nutters and their masters ! ) and the stupid head scarf thing was only begun in the late 1950s, by Egyptian women, to show "solidarity" with that era's lunatic Muslim radicals! IT HAS ABSOLUTELY NOTHING AT ALL TO DO WITH ISLAM, OR THE KORAN !

9 posted on 11/18/2015 8:19:40 PM PST by nopardons
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They are the antithesis of what we are as a society.


10 posted on 11/18/2015 8:19:51 PM PST by glock rocks (I don't always talk to liberals, but when I do, I order the large fries.)
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I’ve read several times he is related to a moon god that was worshiped at the time.

I dont know why obummer would mention the crusades like they were a bad thing. Muslims had reached Spain, I think. That showed his true colors.

They worship a fake god and a child molesting, snake in the grass founder,.

America and islam are like oil and water.

The civil war in Syria is a result of the muslim lover in the white house supporting an uprising among jihadis there.

70 percent, including many Christians, want Assad to regain power.

Muslim men of fighting age cannot be trusted anywhere.


11 posted on 11/18/2015 8:20:04 PM PST by dp0622 (..)
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Islam is not a religion. It needs to be banned in The United States & mosques closed. Islam is not compatible with out Constitution.

Understand the history.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=t_Qpy0mXg8Y


12 posted on 11/18/2015 8:20:06 PM PST by Lopeover (2016 Election is about allegiance to the United States)
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To: Jim Robinson

Is Allah, the god of Islam, the same God as the One revealed in the Bible? Do believers in Allah actually believe in the same God?

What Is Islam?

A man named Muhammad, born in A.D. 570, founded the religion of Islam. Muhammad claimed to receive revelations from God that went beyond the Scriptures of Judaism and Christianity.

It Is Not The Same As Christianity

But the evidence speaks otherwise. The concept of God in Christianity and Islam is not the same. It is not possible that Muslims and Christians worship the same God. The two religions have a different source of authority, different view of Jesus Christ, and different view of salvation.

They Have A Different Source Of Authority

According to Islam the final source of authority is the Koran, which Muslims believe to be the word of God. Although Islam teaches that the Old and New Testaments are divinely inspired they believe that Christians and Jews have corrupted the Scriptures. Islam considers the Bible wrong in any place where it conflicts with the Koran. The Koran is the only trustworthy source of teaching for the Muslims.

There Is A Different God

The Koran portrays a different god than Christianity. The god of Islam is called Allah and within his nature there is only one person. The Bible teaches that there is one eternal God who has revealed Himself in three eternal persons, the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit. These three persons are the one God. This is the doctrine of the Trinity. Islam rejects the Trinity and the New Testament teaching that Jesus Christ is the eternal God. They consider Him only a prophet:

Jesus Christ, the son of Mary was no more than an apostle of God (Sura 19:92).
This statement is in direct contradiction to what the Bible says about Jesus:

In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God (John 1:1).
Islam believes that its founder Mohammed was the last and greatest of the prophets.

There Is A Different Way Of Salvation

Finally, Islam teaches a different way by which a person can know God and be saved from their sins. Islam’s standard of measurement is a person’s good deeds.

They whose balances shall be heavy shall be blest. But they whose balances shall be light, they shall lose their soul, abiding in hell forever (Sura 13:102-104).
The Bible says that our good works cannot please God. We need a Savior. Jesus is the one who died to save us from our sins. We must accept the forgiveness He offers by faith. We cannot earn our salvation.

Not by works of righteousness which we have done, but according to his mercy he saved us (Titus 3:5).
Islam rejects the salvation that is offered by Jesus Christ.

Summary

The God of Islam and the God of Christianity are not compatible for the following reasons: The sources of authority are different. Islam accepts the Koran as its final authority and believes that the Bible contains errors. The Bible teaches that it is the inerrant Word of God and final authority on all matters, including faith and practice.

Islam believes that Jesus was only a great prophet. The New Testament teaches He is the eternal God. Islam elevates Mohammed to a greater position than Jesus.

Islam teaches that a person can be saved by his own good deeds while the Bible teaches that only through belief in Christ can a person be saved. Thus Allah, the god of Islam, is not the God revealed in the Bible.


13 posted on 11/18/2015 8:20:20 PM PST by ATOMIC_PUNK (I think therefore im Dangerous to the liberal agenda !)
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To: Nifster

Allah is not the God of Abraham?


14 posted on 11/18/2015 8:20:51 PM PST by Jim Robinson (Resistance to tyrants is obedience to to God!)
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To: Nifster

you said in two sentences what i rambled about for 10 :)


15 posted on 11/18/2015 8:21:06 PM PST by dp0622 (..)
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“Could it be that Islam IS the enemy (despite Obama’s many denials)?”

Of course Islam is the enemy. I have no doubt Obama is a member of Islam, therefore he too is the enemy.


16 posted on 11/18/2015 8:21:10 PM PST by rockinqsranch ((Dems, Libs, Socialists, call 'em what you will. They ALL have fairies livin' in their trees.))
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1400 years ago Muhammad created a warrior religion that aided his conquest of much of the world. It encourages pedophiles, murders, zealots, and true believers to conquer the world with promises of eternal life to the faithful. It is the greatest threat to modernity, Christianity, and the future of the human race that has ever existed. ISIS is its modern incarnation. We cease to exist if we fail to meet the challenge.


17 posted on 11/18/2015 8:22:31 PM PST by JimSEA
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To: umgud

Wow. Your descriptions of Islamic culture, sound amazingly like Our US Government. Hecky Durn.


18 posted on 11/18/2015 8:22:35 PM PST by RedHeeler
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To: Jim Robinson

NO!


19 posted on 11/18/2015 8:24:05 PM PST by nopardons
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Genesis 16:12 - And he will be a wild man; his hand [will be] against every man, and every man’s hand against him; and he shall dwell in the presence of all his brethren.

This is about Ismael, who I understand to be the father of the Arab nations.


20 posted on 11/18/2015 8:25:23 PM PST by JudyinCanada
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