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Ted Cruz, Glenn Beck, and Cult-Like Religion
Freeper Editorial | 1/03/2015 | GPH

Posted on 01/03/2016 5:07:32 AM PST by Greetings_Puny_Humans

Sundance at The Conservative Tree House has written posts commenting on Ted Cruz's proselytizing as an electoral campaign strategy. Freepers have seen at least a couple of examples of this strategy recently, with threads being posted about Cruz calling on supporters to "don the full armor of God" to resist "incoming attacks" (presumably from dark forces!), or that the "Body of Christ" must be energized to gain the victory.

This type of rhetoric is also heavily prominent in his campaign fund raising. One of the more epic and cringe inducing examples comes from an apparent leak by the Cruz campaign of hours and hours of videos to Youtube, apparently done to get by laws that forbid cooperation between SuperPacs and the campaigns they support.

In these examples here and here, we get to see the Cruz family do multiple takes to get the candid-camera family prayer just right, and we also get to see his mother cringe after Cruz states that she spends "hours" praying for him every day.

It's entirely incomprehensible to me why a campaign would allow such uncomfortable and damaging footage to ever see the light of day, but it does help me illustrate just why the Cruz campaign is so vulnerable outside of the primary season. No, it's not because the general electorate is anti-Christian. It's that most normal people, including Christians, recognize at first glance that praying in public-- or implying that God supports your campaign as you beg for more money-- is extremely artificial and painfully obvious pandering.

On top of that, besides the pandering, which is bad enough in and of itself, the type of so-called "Christianity" he associates with isn't exactly the religion of Charles Spurgeon or Jonathon Edwards. Nope, it is the lowest of the low of New Age/Eastern Mysticism and Dominionist theology that is, unfortunately, invading huge swathes of Christendom today. And Cruz's deep connections with these types of people are extensive, beginning with none other than his own father, Rafael Cruz.

Rafael Cruz, Larry Huch & 7 Mountains Theology (Dominionism.Kingdom Now)

First, a brief explanation of what Dominionism/Kingdom Now theology even is. It is a very theologically diverse movement. It is not a denomination. It started from the weirdo confines of the New Apostolic Reformation, where self-proclaimed "Apostles" and "Prophets" declared a latter rain revival/revolution. However, there are Baptist "Dominionists," there are Roman Catholic "Dominionists," there are leftist "Dominionists," and people who are greatly influenced by their teachings but differ in some ways, or perhaps are not as extreme in their Charismatic "spiritual gifts" and "health and wealth" Gospel as other Dominionists are. In general, Dominionists believe that a great end times army of super Christians will take Dominion over the Earth and bring about the Kingdom of Christ, no longer a Kingdom "not of this world," as the Gospel teaches, but one which begins here on Earth and must precede the coming of Christ in order for Him to arrive. Total physical unity of "Christians" is necessary, which is why a large number of Dominionists are also heavily involved in the ecumenical movement. Some of these people are more covert in their beliefs than others, but generally they all work together for the same goals.

As time has passed, this very diverse Dominionist movement has become increasingly mainstream among Evangelical or conservative circles (I highly recommend you read that link in its entirety), so much so that many people probably don't even notice when 7 Mountains theology gets slipped in or the weirdos of the New Apostolic Reformation trot on out. The problem is so bad, in fact, that I call the unnoticed infiltration of Dominionists into GOP/Conservative politics the "dirty little secret" of our movement, and one which should be recognized and dealt with. These "Dominionists" have managed to get into prayer meetings or religious events all over, meeting with members of the GOP and pretending to represent mainstream Christendom, including with candidates like Newt Gingrich, Rand Paul, Marco Rubio, Rick Perry, Huckabee, Trump (in one meeting with the odious Copeland, among others) and on and on and on, who have all received hands on prayer by Dominionists and other errant pastors. However, no other candidate in this election has the ties Cruz has with the Dominionist movement.

Sometime in 2012 the Cruz campaign was apparently soliciting the endorsement of the megachurch Dominionist pastor, Larry Huch. Besides being a Dominionist, Huch is the kind of guy who sells CD Collections explaining how Christ's blood won back our "willpower... prosperity... health... Dominion over the things we touch...[and] Dominion over the places we walk." In other words, this is typical prosperity gospel and Dominionist materialism.

Huch remarked, during a sermon he was preaching along side Rafael Cruz, that he had received a phone call from the Cruz campaign to meet with them to see if he would be willing to "get behind" Cruz's run. Evidently the meeting bore fruit for the Cruz campaign, as it not only won an endorsement from Huch, but Rafael Cruz also came and preached at his church.

As you will see in this link, (in the link I provided just before this one, there is a transcript of this same event. I provided this second link because the commentary surrounding the video is useful) Rafael Cruz taught the congregants about how God has anointed two types of Christians: Kings and Priests. It is the job of the Kings to take control over the "market place" in order to bring the wealth back to the priests. According to Rafael, the "wealth of the wicked" belongs to the church, and God has anointed the "Kings" of the Christian church to go forth and initiate the great transfer of wealth from the "wicked" to the "righteous" as part of the end-times establishment of the kingdom. (Notice how heavily materialistic all of this is.)

Keep in mind, this wasn't Rafael Cruz just showing up at random at some church. Rafael is here operating as part of the Cruz campaign, selling to the congregation that Cruz believes the same things they do.

The Shady Background of Rafael Cruz

It is worth noting at this point just how shady Cruz's father is. Virtually every part of his biography has been disputed based on the facts.

For example, the True the Vote Summit website listed Rafael Cruz as "Director of Purifying Fire Ministries, ministering in the U.S., Mexico and Central America. He is also a professor of Bible and Theology, and the president of Kingdom Translation Services." This is a common bio you will find provided on many websites or speaking events Rafael has attended, though sometimes differing in details, such as in spelling or names. Sometimes he is a "pastor" of a Dallas church, other times that is not mentioned.

First:

There was no Purifying Fire Ministries that he was "director" of. It does not exist anywhere. There is no location for it anywhere. There are no remnants of a website somewhere. There is the Purifying Fire Ministries that was operated by Suzanne Hinn (the ex-wife of Charismaniac Benny Hinn), but the Cruz campaign has denied any connection with them, claiming that he "only used the name" for a little while before dropping it. Keep in mind, this "dropping" would have to have been pretty recent, because Rafael Cruz was being identified as "Director" of Purifying Fire Ministries as recently as January of this year.

Bizarrely, the Suzanne Hinn affiliated website was actually identified as belonging to Rafael Cruz in this speech he gave, despite the denials of any connection with the Purifying Fires franchise. That same website actually came down sometime after February of 2015, possibly in May (I see dates listed in May on the wayback machine, but cannot view them), and you can only view the about page mentioning Suzanne Hinn via the way back machine.

Of course, Rafael Cruz has no church in Dallas either. He is a "one-man" pastor, which the campaign admits.

We find similar problems when we examine his "Presidency" at Kingdom Translation Services. It is a real business, it seems, where he is listed as both Director and President, (I'd have gone with Supreme Chancellor and Senate) and, in the past 3 years since it was founded, has only put out an audio bible of Rafael Cruz reading the Bible in Spanish. The address associated with this business takes you to a residential address--- which all leads me to believe that Rafael Cruz is the Director and President of a business with probably just one employee, himself, a sort of Trinity at least. The writer of this blog claims that it is indeed a one-man show, but I wasn't able to verify that independently, only deduce it.

Moving on: Rafael Cruz's claim of being a Professor of Bible theology. Well...(from the same link as above):

"He's also claimed to be President of Kingdom Translation Services (another one-man gig that he started a year ago), and a "professor of Bible and Theology", first at Advance Institute, then Advanced Bible Institute, neither of which can be found... anywhere..."

All of this is just the tip of the iceberg. Cruz's immigration story (he might either have broken immigration law or embellished his story), his life in Cuba, his "fire bombing" for Castro, of having witnessed certain revolutionaries die (when they were on the other side of Cuba), and so many other details, are all contradicted.

See here and here for examples.

Glenn Beck & the Dominionist Axis-Power

Ted Cruz's ties with Dominionism do not end with his dad or this pastor. Cruz is also supported by David Barton who leads Cruz's Keep the Promise SuperPac. Barton is also a Lecturer for Beck's "online university," is the Chairman of Beck's Mercury One charity, and his work is featured heavily by Beck's program. It is also reported that Beck has raised millions for Keep the Promise via Barton. Like Ted Cruz himself, Barton is heavily promoted by Glenn Beck, though Beck performs virtually no vetting of this man whatsoever.

As an example, Barton's historical work tracking the Christian roots of the nation are apparently plagued by exaggeration and poor scholarship. I didn't have time to do a full scale study on the issue of the accuracy of Barton's historical claims, but there are enough examples of misquotes available that makes you doubt Glenn Beck's assertion that Barton is the "Library of Congress in shoes." Ted Cruz has said something similar, describing Barton as a "good friend" and a fantastic scholar.

The blogger at Fanatic for Jesus blogspot describes Barton, as of 2011, as tending "to keep his ties to the Dominionists under wraps, and no one has heard him explicitly advocate Seven Mountains Dominionism ... until yesterday on his radio program (4/4/11)." The blogger then goes on to quote him thusly:

"Barton: That's right. Christians got to get involved. And there's a Scripture they used that came out of Isiah 2:2 and it says "Now it shall come to pass in the latter days that the mountain of the Lord's house shall be established on the top of the mountains," so this is now called the Seven Mountain Prophecy, there's a book out by that name. It says the Lord's house is going to be established on top of the mountains and these are the seven mountains. If you're going to establish God's kingdom, you've got to have these seven mountains and again that's family, religion, education, media, entertainment, business and government. Now that's what we believed all along is you got to get involved in this stuff. Jesus said "you occupy 'til I come." We don't care when he comes, that's up to him. What we're supposed to do is take the culture in the meantime and you got to get involved in these seven areas."

This is a pretty clear declaration of Dominionist teaching. The book he mentions is by Johnny Enlow, a Dominionist author who has called for "superimposing" a "virtual theocracy" onto the United States government. Interestingly, Enlow describes himself as a "social reformer," a red flag for a social just warrior, and on his website he rails against Donald Trump's appeal to "White man's pride." Here's a larger quote:

"I believe we are witnessing a phenomenon in the present political landscape, as Donald Trump is directly appealing, to what I sense God is presently judging in America- white male pride... what I sense from the Lord is that He is actually confronting and judging our white male pride (WMP). This is a kind of pride that blinds you from realizing that it is God Himself that has drawn a line in the sand and determined to bring a necessary correction. You can be a white female and also be affected by this pride, but I believe it’s primarily something that a significant portion of white males deal with... Donald Trump has stirred and blown a trumpet that is awakening WMP on a mass scale. His political platform has been horribly divisive and polarizing..."

As I said, Dominionism is a strange world where many different people with different visions of what a Christian nation should look like can all meet together under one tent.

Even Glenn Beck is not an unwelcome member of the Dominionist movement. David Barton defends Glenn Beck's Mormon faith (the LDS is polytheistic and pelagian in nature, thoroughly heretical) as being Christian, though this probably also has something to do with Dominionism's Ecumenical efforts.

Barton's ties with other Dominionists are also quite extensive, including with Kenneth Copeland, who, besides his Dominionism, pushes New Age/Eastern mysticism. He also says things like this:

"You're all God. You don't have a God living in you; you are one! ... When I read in the Bible where God tells Moses, 'I AM,' I say, 'Yah, I am too!'" ("The Force of Love," Tape BBC-56).

This same Kenneth Copeland managed to land a 3 hour meeting with the Pope due to the sheer level of his popularity, which, perhaps, is less a condemnation of the Pope not vetting him, but more a problem with the American Evangelical movement that really does give more honor to guys like Copeland than is deserved.

Rafael Cruz has also echoed concepts repeated by David Barton, such as the concept of a "black robe regiment" of Christian pastors.

Moving on: Glenn Beck himself, not surprisingly, also brings up the "7 Mountains" of society, mouthing the same talking points that first originated with hardcore Dominionists years ago.

In case you think that maybe Glenn Beck doesn't know the full implications of what he's saying, Chuck Pierce, a radical Dominionist and self-proclaimed prophet of the crazy New Apostolic Reformation, gave Glenn Beck a holy "mantle of the future". To help you understand that, think of the Roman Catholic concept of Apostolic succession, then insert lunacy, mix it up, and drink till you pass out. The New Apostolic Reformation believes they are the restored Apostles and Prophets of God, basically like the return of saint Paul or saint John, and they have all the authority implied therein, though they use it mostly to rake in donations from the faithful.

The blogger at Spirit of Error noted that the timing of Chuck Pierce's granting of the prophetic mantle to Mormon Glenn Beck was interesting. He writes:

"With the presidential election around the corner, the timing of Pierce's mantle-giving is no coincidence. Beck didn't just happen to stop by Pierce's church last Sunday morning. Pierce didn't just happen to present Beck with a mantle–out of courtesy for his high-profile visitor. This event was orchestrated. Think about it. Pierce gives a mantle to Beck–and, as a result, people in the NAR movement will now listen to Beck when he speaks in support of a presidential candidate. Who will he speak in support of? He's thrown his support to Ted Cruz, who, just yesterday, announced that he’ll run for the Republican Party nomination for 2016.

Ted Cruz's ties with Glenn Beck should be well known to all at this point, but is worth summarizing with a few bits of new information. Cruz, of course, joined up with Beck to hand out Teddy bears to illegal alien children awhile back. He is a frequent topic on Beck's programs and appears often. He has praised both Barton and Beck as good friends and patriots. Through David Barton, Beck also is involved with Ted Cruz's superPAC Keep the Promise, and Beck's support for Cruz is blatant. Beck in November declared he is currently working on a documentary about Ted Cruz (I do not know if he's finished it and has already aired it on his irrelevant internet TV show), and has declared that Ted Cruz has been "supernaturally" raised to lead the country. (Cruz has been implying the same thing over the past month, which makes me wonder whether this is a combined effort to create a "Savior" narrative.)

Cruz's Church

Currently, Cruz attends Houston’s First Baptist Church. The senior pastor is Gregg Matte. He was one of the pastors associated with Rick Perry's controversial prayer meeting with prominent "Evangelical" leaders. Here is Martha West explaining the problem:

"In my article series "The Religious Right uniting with Religious Renegades" I expressed alarm over some or our Christian leader's decision to attend Gov. Rick Perry's The Response: A call to prayer. Many evangelicals were distressed that respected leaders would be standing shoulder to shoulder with folks who are associated with fringe groups such as the New Apostolic Reformation (NAR), the International House of Prayer (IHOP) and the Word of Faith (WoF). These groups hold many of the same unbiblical beliefs such as "positive confession."

Evidently these warnings went unheeded, and Gregg Matte was among those standing side by side the weirdest weirdos of the Dominionist movement. Gregg Matte has also had David Barton as a guest speaker at his church, as seen here. Beyond this, Barton's sermons that I have seen were bland enough that I didn't notice any problems, except, perhaps, for a hint that he believes God speaks to men audibly, but not clear enough for me to be sure. There was no other information on him. I suspect it's because he just isn't that famous.

Beth Moore, on the other hand, is a different matter. She has taught at Houston's First Baptist Church for more than two decades, producing Bible studies and giving sermons. She believes that God speaks audibly to her, in "full sentences," and that, while writing her book, she had supernatural experiences accompanying it. She has also taught "contemplative prayer" and is close to the Osteen family. Besides this, she is also tied to Dominionists like Joyce Meyer, with whom she has done work promoting Ecumenicalism. According to Beth, she has had supernatural visions where Roman Catholics are also members of the body of Christ (controversial for the average Baptist, but a regular theme with most Dominionists).

Joyce Meyer, as mentioned, is a Dominionist, and also gives to her congregations pretty little gems like this:

"The Lord recently showed me that we can bless or curse the financial seed we sow. We can speak positively about our financial future, or we can say things like, 'I can't afford it' . .. 'Every time I turn around something happens to take my money'. . . . We should water our giving with the water of His word and expect an abundant harvest. Sow your seed and speak prosperity scriptures over your finances" (Joyce Meyer, "Your Mouth is a Weapon," Life in the Word March 1997, p. 4.)

And as an explanation of why this sort of doctrine is so popular:

"While Meyer's previous salary is unknown, a recent series of investigative articles in the St. Louis Post-Dispatch revealed Meyer's ministry purchased for Joyce and Dave a $2 million home, a $10 million private jet, and houses worth another $2 million for the couple's children, who also work for the ministry. The articles also outlined Meyer's recent personal purchases, including a $500,000 vacation home. Meyer, 60, lives in Fenton, Missouri, near St. Louis." (1/1/2004, http://www.christianitytoday.com/ct/2004/januaryweb-only/1-19-13.0.html)

Is it any wonder why con men are so drawn to the "Christian" Evangelical/Charismatic scene? It is insanely profitable, provided you have the right message. That is probably part of the reason for Beck's downward spiral into Dominionist theology-- it's to get at the money while his original audience shrinks into nothingness. At the same time, however, Beck really does seem to think he has some kind of Messianic mission. You see this in the way he talks and how he seems to be having "prophetic" inspiration when he declares Cruz to be supernaturally-sent. The fact he's working on a documentary for Ted Cruz was also quite a bizarre revelation for me. There's not exactly that much to talk about.

Returning to Moore, the blogger at "The King's Dale" did an extensive study on her (he read all three of her books), concluding, among other things, that she preaches a "false Gospel of pragmatism, self-improvement and prosperity." Or, in other words, the usual "believe it and claim it" materialistic pablum that is omnipresent among these people. Beth Moore has also preached sermons with common New Apostolic Reformation themes, such as this one at James Robison's church. Robison himself is a hyper-Charismatic who has featured Dominionists like John Wimber, and has done ecumenical work. Also note this from the same link:

"In the November/December 1986 issue of Day of Restoration, James Robison wrote that the miracle of Christmas is "that Christ is formed in you;" that "our actual purpose in this world: receiving and expressing the fullness of the life of Jesus." He goes on to say that "God wants us to see Jesus as merely the big brother in a huge family of brothers and sisters like Him." Further, he states that II Corinthians 5:17 means that we "have the divine nature, the eternal life of God." Still Christ must be "formed in you." He goes on to say that Jesus was a pattern; that "Jesus Himself pioneered the process He is putting us through." He claims that "God reveals that Christ had to be formed even in Jesus. ... That same Jesus also will be formed in you -- in anyone who will receive the light of this truth."

For those of you familiar with Mormon doctrine, you'll notice that a lot of Dominionist thinking has a strong Mormonic flavor. The LDS believes that men are gods in seed form. If they perform all the duties of a Mormon, they will graduate to full fledged Godhood in the Celestial Kingdom. It makes sense then why a lot of Dominionists, such as those in the NAR, are willing to declare him to be a prophet. Though, they probably like the prospect of money, publicity and power as well.

So there you have it folks. Here are Ted Cruz's ugly ties with cult-like religion, as well as Beck's descent into Dominionist madness. I could keep going, and there is much more research to be done. However, this is as much as you'll get for now.


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To: mac_truck

oh, an another thing...I LOVE it when posters like you think you have a gotcha, and it’s just a cigar exploding in your face. Not only where the Publius authors known, but we were talking about a non free government.

That was BEFORE the First Amendment protections......so not only were you wrong, if you had been right, you would have been rendered moot.

it’s hard to make such a bad post.


281 posted on 01/03/2016 8:17:35 AM PST by C. Edmund Wright (WTF? How Karl Rove and the Establishment Lost...Again (Amazon Best Seller))
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To: libbylu; C. Edmund Wright
Thank you so much.

Uh oh Ed, once you have libbylu's support you have arrived.

282 posted on 01/03/2016 8:18:11 AM PST by itsahoot (Anyone receiving a Woo! Woo! for President has never won anything after the award.)
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To: Greetings_Puny_Humans

Are you appalled by the Southern Baptist Faith and Message (2000):

http://media.houstonsfirst.org.s3.amazonaws.com/uploaded/o/0e1870269_ourbeliefs.pdf


283 posted on 01/03/2016 8:18:40 AM PST by Mr Rogers (Can you remember what America was like in 2004?)
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To: itsahoot

who are you?

Oh, wait....no one knows....


284 posted on 01/03/2016 8:18:46 AM PST by C. Edmund Wright (WTF? How Karl Rove and the Establishment Lost...Again (Amazon Best Seller))
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To: SandRat

“That Post was 4 diaper loads at one diaper load of really stinky stuff.”

A succinct and accurate analysis. The only line worth paying attention to is “Cruz attends Houston’s First Baptist Church”.

According to their website: “Houston’s First Baptist Church’s beliefs are the same as those contained in the Baptist Faith and Message, the confession of faith of the Southern Baptist Convention (SBC).”

http://www.houstonsfirst.org/start-here/our-beliefs/#sthash.dMS9BSiR.dpuf

So if Southern Baptists are REALLY REALLY scary, then I guess Ted Cruz is scary too!


285 posted on 01/03/2016 8:18:47 AM PST by Mr Rogers (Can you remember what America was like in 2004?)
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To: Greetings_Puny_Humans

This post of yours qualifies as an excellent example of a “Railing” or “Reviling Accusation”. The Word of YHWH says it is something that even the messengers of YHWH (angels) don’t do. So believers are not to bring them against anyone. A simple “The Lord rebuke you!” will do.

Please reread 2nd Peter, particularly Chapter 2. Peter talks about false teachers and what YHWH will do to them. Also reread Jude because he also address this problem and what believers are supposed to do to maintain their life with Elohim.

Also it probably would be a good idea to reread the entire Book of Daniel to see how YHWH uses very imperfect people to achieve the fulfillment of His Word.

We are very close to the end of the End of the Age. The great sign in the heavens described in Revelation 12:1-2 will actually, literally occur sometime near September 23, 2017. So the Dominionists will know pretty soon that they were wrong to think they could do what only Elohim can do, and will suffer the consequences of adding to the Word of YHWH. Best to “look up, for your redemption draws neigh!”, and not be so attached to this world and the machinations of Satan who knows his time is very short.


286 posted on 01/03/2016 8:19:15 AM PST by SubMareener (Save us from Quarterly Freepathons! Become a MONTHLY DONOR!)
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To: VanDeKoik

Laughable. I suppose Christians don’t support Christ as well?


287 posted on 01/03/2016 8:19:42 AM PST by Norm Lenhart (Existential Cage Theory - An idea whose time has come)
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To: SoConPubbie

Well I’m sure you know as well as I that the Constitution does not lay out a definition of natural born citizen. It only makes the statement that the President must be a natural born citizen while all other offices only require a citizen. The 14th Amendment states all born or naturalized in the United States are citizens. The Constitution also requires Congress defend and punish offenses against the Law of Nations.

The Law of Nations states

“The citizens are the members of the civil society; bound to this society by certain duties, and subject to its authority, they equally participate in its advantages. The natives, or natural-born citizens, are those born in the country, of parents who are citizens. As the society cannot exist and perpetuate itself otherwise than by the children of the citizens, those children naturally follow the condition of their fathers, and succeed to all their rights.

Then there are Supreme Court cases ruling on natural born citizens, one of which is Minor v. Happersett in 1875. It states The Constitution does not in words say who shall be natural-born citizens. Resort must be had elsewhere to ascertain that. At common law, with the nomenclature of which the framers of the Constitution were familiar, it was never doubted that all children born in a country of parents who were its citizens became themselves, upon their birth, citizens also. These were natives or natural-born citizens, as distinguished from aliens or foreigners.

I do not see where Ted Cruz fits here at all.


288 posted on 01/03/2016 8:19:56 AM PST by Duchess47 ("One day I will leave this world and dream myself to Reality" Crazy Horse)
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To: itsahoot
Uh oh Ed, once you have libbylu's support you have arrived.

Well I appreciate all the support, but actually, having been called brilliant and very funny multiple times by Rush and having my columns routinely posted by Mark Levin and Herman Cain and so on......I'm not counting on this being the arrival moment.

Would you care to see some of it?

289 posted on 01/03/2016 8:20:14 AM PST by C. Edmund Wright (WTF? How Karl Rove and the Establishment Lost...Again (Amazon Best Seller))
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To: SmokingJoe

No, I like Cruz, and, it’s well documented. I’ve come across few of his loyal supporters that I like, however. I prefer Trump for numerous reasons.


290 posted on 01/03/2016 8:21:48 AM PST by Boardwalk
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To: SoConPubbie

He provided the proof himself when he lied to his colleagues about his support of the Gang of 8 Bill and then admitted that he was lying.


291 posted on 01/03/2016 8:22:17 AM PST by Duchess47 ("One day I will leave this world and dream myself to Reality" Crazy Horse)
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To: FR_addict
Hadn't heard about the Dominionist movement before

Used to be some TV evangelical promising if you sent him a thousand dollars you would get it returned 10 fold. Anyone that gets sucked into the Benny Hinn type ministry needs help, not condemnation. There are plenty of others like Hinn or worse I just can't name them all. The Church like politics has been invaded by commie type and crooks.

292 posted on 01/03/2016 8:22:54 AM PST by itsahoot (Anyone receiving a Woo! Woo! for President has never won anything after the award.)
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To: Norm Lenhart

He has very clearly stated that he wants to open up insurance across state lines so that there is competition in the market for people to get insurance coverage. He has also stated that we must take care of those who do not/cannot get insurance. Life vets being given access to civilian doctors and hospitals. Like Medicaid and medicare.


293 posted on 01/03/2016 8:25:57 AM PST by Duchess47 ("One day I will leave this world and dream myself to Reality" Crazy Horse)
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To: Oklahoma

“If someone posted that Hillary is a true Conservative would you expect anyone to object? Just because some politician claims to be of a certain philosophical persuasion doesn’t mean they are. Jesus said you should judge them by their fruits. Trump’s fruits are a mixed bag at best.”

That’s nice.

With Trump, whom I blew off when he announced last summer, I took the position of “trust but verify” when he started to take off last August. If he is saying what he believes, then ok. Every step of the way, he kept getting better, was pushing issues that never would have seen the light of day otherwise, was gaining lots of people that use to not care about politics, and was putting a backbone in people again to stand up against PC culture.

“This is a Conservative forum. It’s purpose is to promote Conservative values and government.”

Yeah? And if Trump moves us back from the brink of national collapse with the platform he’s pushing (which is not a leftest one by any means), that has done far more to promote that. Frankly he’s been more conservative than a hell of a lot of ones that say that they are “true conservatives” every 5 minutes.


294 posted on 01/03/2016 8:26:41 AM PST by VanDeKoik
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To: Norm Lenhart

Nah uh!!

They only take Two and a Half Months!


295 posted on 01/03/2016 8:28:21 AM PST by sitetest (If Roe is not overturned, no unborn child will ever be protected in law.)
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To: SmokingJoe; HarleyLady27

I’m not sure what you’re smoking Joe, but you got a funny way of trashing others for not being Christian, for a true Christian. True Christians don’t conduct themselves as you are here.

Who told you that most Trump supporters were not Christian or Conservative?

Trump’s platform is Conservative and something Christians could easily support.

As for the Crewz here, I have seen them compare Trump to Hitler, and his supporters to the supporters of Hitler.

I’ve had one Crewz supporter describe Trump as the male on male rapist in the movie Deliverance, and his supporters as the ones he was violating.

I’ve had another Crewz fanboy suggest the Trump supporters should go back over to their bathhouse.

Now you’re here claiming we’re not Christans or Conservatives?

I’m quite clear on why you would make that claim, because I’ve not seen the Trump folks conduct themselves as the Crewz do here.

If they are your ideal Christians, perhaps you should reconsider who is and who isn’t a Christian.

HarleyLady27 does not deserve to be treated the way you are treating her.

A good Christan Conservative would know that.


296 posted on 01/03/2016 8:28:25 AM PST by DoughtyOne ((It's beginning to look like "Morning in America" again. Comment on YouTube under Trump Free Ride.))
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To: C. Edmund Wright

At least Sundance doesn’t lie about his predictions, lie about others, and act like a jerk when he’s called on it. Nor does he run around trashing blogs he knows nothing about.

Iow, he has integrity. A trait sadly lacking in too many of his critics.


297 posted on 01/03/2016 8:28:56 AM PST by Fantasywriter (Any attempt to do forensic work using Internet artifacts is fraught with pitfalls. JoeProbono)
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To: Norm Lenhart

Can a Christian person vote for a Jew, a Hindu, an atheist if their platform is one you agree with, when the other guy running is a Christian?


298 posted on 01/03/2016 8:28:58 AM PST by VanDeKoik
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To: SoConPubbie; Duchess47; SmokingJoe
Please provide the relevant sections of the U.S. Constitution that clearly and unambiguously define "Natural Born" as requiring two U.S. Citizens at birth.

Oh yeah, my brother can whip your brother. You lawyer types exist solely for the purpose of confusing plain English. Always injecting doubt into commonly understood language makes money for you and tyrants for the rest of us.

299 posted on 01/03/2016 8:29:09 AM PST by itsahoot (Anyone receiving a Woo! Woo! for President has never won anything after the award.)
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To: Aleya2Fairlie

You really don’t know what conservatism is? Then you should read up because it’s pretty straightforward. And it hasn’t changed. Which is sort of it’s whole concept.

Christian is pretty easy. One who actually follows Christ. Nor one that wears it on their sleeve.

Last week there was one guy trying to sell the idea on FR that conservatism did not exist in order to justify their Trump support so there’s that.


300 posted on 01/03/2016 8:29:19 AM PST by Norm Lenhart (Existential Cage Theory - An idea whose time has come)
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