Posted on 07/10/2016 7:39:06 AM PDT by MtnClimber
It’s happened to most of us – some more than others. You’re driving down the highway or a backroad or maybe you roll through a stop sign one too many times, and here they come. The flashing lights, the piercing sound of the siren. It’s nerve-racking, to say the least.
With so much tension surrounding recent officer-involved shootings, I feel a duty to open the discussion on what to do when legal gun owners either open or concealed carrying are pulled over by police.
No matter what state you find yourself in, national firearms expert and trainer Massad Ayoob explains there is a universal way to inform the officer you’re carrying: hand your concealed carry permit over with your drivers license.
(Excerpt) Read more at bearingarms.com ...
So you tell a cop you have a gun, that it’s none of his concern and he, what.... Says “oh, ok”? Doesn’t matter where that just doesn’t happen. They will ALWAYS be concerned for their safety.
If you come to SC, better trust me. We are a little more courteous to our cops here.
Sorry, but in my part of the country it is welcomed by law enforcement and taught (at least by some instructors).
Oh, and in North Carolina, if the truth be known, if you have a concealed carry permit then all vehicles in your household are identified as a belonging to a concealed carry permit holder. Law enforcement will ask if you have a weapon. If you are carrying, you put it up on the dash in plain sight.
And granddad also said don’t get in the middle of a fight that ain’t yours. Until the cops go back to protect and serve and stop the military swat crap and the focus on revenue enhancement most people will look at this like I do and say not my fight. I knew the police were screwed when my 60-year-old mother at the time saw cops with flashing lights and her first instinct was dread not relief. That was almost 20 years ago and she is straight lace as they come. Small middle class town and all. Wow the cops have pissed almost everyone off but dropping flash bangs in cribs and shooting dogs will do that.
Oh, right. The government would never lie to us.
“Until the cops go back to protect and serve and stop the military swat crap and the focus on revenue enhancement most people will look at this like I do and say not my fight.”
Well, go on with your bad self. Get snotty with the police whenever you like. Even if you’re in the wrong.
What chapter of BLM do you belong to anyway?
That’s a nonsensical argument.
Equality.
It’s not supposed to be a registration. I wasn’t speaking to the fact that I wouldn’t trust the gubermint any farther than I could throw it
While I do not possess a concealed pistol license in my state because I’m a police officer and my sworn status allows me to carry without one, these are the things I do when I get pulled over.
1. Find the 1st wide spot or parking lot and slowly pull over to the side and give as much room between my car and the traffic lane as possible for the officer to the stand in safely.
2. I roll my windows down, radio off, and turn on the interior lights, which is a lot easier if you have power windows. If I don’t have power windows I roll my window down, radio off and I turn on the dome light.
3. Hands on wheel and wait for the officer to reach me and tell me exactly what he wants me to do. I don’t go digging around in my glove box or in my visor or putting my hands in my pockets to get the things I know he’s going to ask for. I just wait patiently. This allows the officer to come up see everything in the car and everybody in the car make is threat assessment without too much visual input.
3. When the officer asks for my driver’s license registration and proof of insurance I get them out get them all together along with my identification for work. I hand them to him all at once and when he sees a police officer he makes a decision and how he’s going to move forward with the traffic stop. The officer may or may not ask me about weapons in the car I don’t offer whether I do or I don’t because there’s just no need for anybody in a car on a traffic stop to say I have a gun or I’m carrying a gun or anything like that that may catch the officer off guard and change his threat assessment.
4. When the officer concludes the traffic stop with either a warning or a ticket I apologize for whatever infraction I committed and I tell the officer to be safe.
I have had numerous occasions where I pulled over a car and black male was driving it and had him rolled his window down and thrust both hands out the window to show that his hands were empty. I always found it a bit insulting but understandable considering the neighborhood they were in and the folklore that they have been taught within their community. When they grew up with their parents and grandparents telling them that the police kill black people for no reason it makes sense that they act that way on a traffic stop. Because they are definitely living in a completely different reality.
That is what I do too. Here in Colorado they tie yuor CCW information to DL and car tag database. When an officer calls in your tag he knows if the owner is a CCW holder.
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I'd be more inclined to say "yes sir" since your answer could be taken as a smart ass remark by a cop who might be having a bad day.......
Probably driving too fast for them to catch you.
It is a fine line indeed, but in Georgia the officer is not legally permitted to just pop out that question out of the blue. He is not even legally allowed to ask if you have a permit for the weapon.
They do things differently in other states. You can see one case here:
MY point is that you don’t have to be an asshole when answering but you also don’t have to give up your rights willy-nilly. Again, this was told to me by a police chief here in my own state. There are other instances throughout the state where CLEOs have confirmed this.
When/if I am stopped, I will present my driver’s license along with the valid CWCL and then answer his questions but the CWCL should preclude him from getting nasty about it.
Just because he is a LEO doesn’t mean he is an asshole like the LEO in the reference I cited above. And just because he is a LEO, his gun scares me too. I’m glad we have this law in my state, frankly.
I read article, watched video, and read 30-40 comments, and find I disagree with a lot of it, given a BAD experience years ago in IN. It was likely the seasoned cop / novice scenario mentioned in video.
I do keep my hands on the wheel, have DL + ins/reg in hand, and answer questions calmly (!) & matter of factly. I do not in any way want to be perceived as a threat. I had opportunity to do this recently (ahem) with no problem, incl no ticket.
I asked this question at a 2a forum. I was told - by the officer who did it - that he had broken a gun down and given it back in pieces from to someone for “smarting off”. Another officer present disagreed with that handling, but I could tell - I realized then that in a competent-decent cop vs less-competent hothead cop scenario, the hothead would win over his partner.
The majority of police are great, but they have a groupthink problem that is weakening their credibility in certain segments of the population, including many whites.
When a bad cop is in their midst, they cover for them like a 'brother' instead of flushing them out. I've seen it close up as I have a few police in my family and and worked with many in a professional capacity. They have a strong bond with each other due to the daily risks that they are all exposed to.
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