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Parent Alleges Harassment for Exposing 'Fistgate'
CNSNEWS.com ^ | 2/06/03 | Lawrence Morahan

Posted on 02/07/2003 4:24:38 AM PST by kattracks

CNSNews.com) - Lawyers from a homosexual advocacy group took depositions from a Massachusetts parent this week, almost three years after he first exposed "Fistgate," a state-sponsored workshop in which educators instructed teens in graphic homosexual sex.

The deposition of Brian Camenker, taken Tuesday by lawyers for the Boston-based Gay and Lesbian Advocates and Defenders, is an effort to put parents under financial strain and to discourage others around the country from bringing similar workshops to light, Camenker charged.

"If they are able to be able to beat us in Massachusetts, they can continue to hound any parent who gets in their way," said Camenker, president of the Parents Rights Coalition.

Two Massachusetts Department of Education staffers lost their jobs because of their involvement in the state-funded workshop held at Tufts University in March 2000, called "What They Don't Tell You About Queer Sex and Sexuality in Health Class." The Gay, Lesbian and Straight Education Network co-sponsored the workshop.

Homosexual advocacy groups have been pursuing lawsuits against Camenker and Scott Whiteman, another parent, for secretly recording, exposing and publicizing the event, in which instructors encouraged children as young as 14 years of age to engage in life-threatening sex acts. One instructor told the students: "Fisting often gets a bad rap."

"Fistgate" soon attracted national prominence. Among others, Sean Hannity discusses the event in his book, Let Freedom Ring, and William Bennett talks about the event in his book, The Broken Hearth . This past week, Alan Keyes made a trip to Boston to speak on behalf of Camenker and Whiteman, as well as rally support for their cause.

Legal defense costs since homosexual advocacy groups first deposed Camenker and Whiteman in the summer of 2000 have reached well over $100,000, Camenker said.

"It has a certain national significance as to what the gays can do to parents who expose the stuff," he added.

The Gay and Lesbian Advocates and Defenders did not return calls for comment.

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To: madg
Nat Hentoff on homofasicsm in Massachusetts

Your side is a dangerous group bent on intimidation, the suppression of rights and the indoctrination of youth.

By the way, have you guys released the tapes yet? If not, why not?

161 posted on 02/09/2003 3:41:24 PM PST by jwalsh07
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To: madg
Rod Dreher on fasicism in Massachusetts

Note the paragraph by a liberal civil libertarian on the odds of a fair trial im Massachusetts for the politcally incorrect.

162 posted on 02/09/2003 4:03:31 PM PST by jwalsh07
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To: madg
"How can you cite the specific law so many times yet be so ignorant of its contents? Just READ what you are citing for Heaven's sake... A crime was committed in violation of the law that YOU cite."

The specific law I cited was M.G.L. Chapter 272, sections 28, 29, and 31, which was posted in reply numbers 19, 43, 103, and 136. I know what sections 28, 29, and 31 state:

"Section 28. Matter harmful to minors, dissemination; possession; defenses."

"Whoever disseminates to a minor any matter harmful to minors, as defined in section thirty-one, knowing it to be harmful to minors, or has in his possession any such matter with the intent to disseminate the same to minors, shall be punished by imprisonment..."


"Section 29. Dissemination or possession of obscene matter; punishment; defense."

"Whoever disseminates any matter which is obscene, knowing it to be obscene, or whoever has in his possession any matter which is obscene, knowing it to be obscene, with the intent to disseminate the same, shall be punished by imprisonment..."


"Section 31. Definitions applicable to secs. 28, 28C, 28D, 28E, 29, 29A, 29B, 30 and 30D."

"'Harmful to minors', matter is harmful to minors if it is obscene or, if taken as a whole, it (1) describes or represents nudity, sexual conduct or sexual excitement, so as to appeal predominantly to the prurient interest of minors; (2) is patently contrary to prevailing standards of adults in the county where the offense was committed as to suitable material for such minors; and (3) lacks serious literary, artistic, political or scientific value for minors."

"'Obscene', matter is obscene if taken as a whole it (1) appeals to the prurient interest of the average person applying the contemporary standards of the county where the offense was committed; (2) depicts or describes sexual conduct in a patently offensive way; and (3) lacks serious literary, artistic, political or scientific value..."


Since I cited sections 28, 29, and 31 of the law, you are correct when you state "A crime was committed in violation of the law that YOU cite" - Go back to reply 136 and read again what David Driscoll, Commissioner of the Massachusetts Department of Education said:

"The workshops were of prurient nature, and not educational"

And yet the State of Massachusetts does nothing. Except spend millions of tax dollars on GLSEN's GSA's.

163 posted on 02/09/2003 6:57:23 PM PST by EdReform (ATTENTION FREEPERS and LURKERS - www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/838661/posts)
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To: Republic; Registered; yendu bwam; Bryan; A. Pole; esopman; F.J. Mitchell; scripter
FYI:

Parental Notification Laws regarding Gay & Lesbian Programs for Youths?

"I know that there a Parental Notification laws that vary from state to state regarding a minor having an abortion. My question is, are there any that would require an organization that is offering programs for minors that concern their sexuality to notify the parent(s) first? I would personally throttle any person or organization that attempted to indoctrinate my kids into a Gay or Lesbian lifestyle. Are there any organizations out there that are trying to get laws passed that hold these people accountable for the harm they are causing the youth?

- ANYONE?

Just look at some of the links below and you will understand my concern..."


164 posted on 02/09/2003 7:13:23 PM PST by EdReform (ATTENTION FREEPERS and LURKERS - www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/838661/posts)
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To: madg
I'm a former member of the Navy's Judge Advocate General's Corps. (It's absolutely nothing like the TV series, but A Few Good Men is fairly realistic.) I'm now professor of international law at a well-known university not far away from you, and I'm licensed to practice law.

I am required to take a certain number of hours of continuing legal education (CLE) classes each year, in order to remain a member in good standing of the state bar and keep my attorney's license. Since it's a professional requirement for our law faculty, the university underwrites all the costs.

My fees for the seminars are paid. Travel, lodging and meals are paid. If I were being paid by the hour, rather than a flat salary, I'd also be paid for the time spent in these seminars. And if I worked for a state university, it would be public tax money paying for all these expenses of my continuing education.

I hope this clears up the matter for you. If Abel claims that she was paid to attend the "Fistgate" seminar, I would say that she's probably telling the truth. And that would provide further support for the contention that it was a public gathering.

Sometimes the truth hurts. Other times, by God, it stings. Doesn't it?

167 posted on 02/09/2003 10:52:09 PM PST by CenterRight
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To: madg
You haven't answered my earlier question, Yendu... what will you do if one of YOUR kids (14-18yo) asks YOU "what is fisting?"

The whole purpose of this 'workshop' was to encourage kids in the exploration of these dangerous, damaging and disgusting activities. When my kid asks about 'fisting,' I will tell him the truth - it's someone putting a fist up someone else's ass - and then I will tell him it's one of the most perverted, disgusting and dangerous acts I can think of. Your 'workshop' fails on the second part. It was evil. You and your ilk are a danger to kids and to that which is good.

168 posted on 02/10/2003 5:09:18 AM PST by yendu bwam
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To: madg
Yeah, those EVIL "children," how DARE they ask disgusting and EVIL questions like that?!! [/s]

It was the adults, who would encourage them to explore such, and who would put a positive gloss on total filth and depravity, who were evil. I never called the kids involved in this evil, as you very well know.

169 posted on 02/10/2003 5:10:50 AM PST by yendu bwam
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To: Aquinasfan
I live in Newton where all this nonsense took place,as does Brian Camenker. The City of Newton has gone mad,thanks to Mayor Cohen and superintendant of schools Young.

The things being taught to my grandchildren are unbelievable,brainwasing with PC crap,even with very young children.
171 posted on 02/10/2003 5:33:43 AM PST by Mears
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To: tessalu
Who the h*ll do these people think they are to teach perversion to children?? The really tragic part of this travesty is that the homosexual recruiting interests put up so much money as to make it impossible for the average parent to be able to fight legally. It would be far cheaper to put the child in private school. The public schools have outlived their usefulness. They have become nothing more than babysitting services and socialist indoctrination centers whose primary language is political correctness. Where is the justice?
174 posted on 02/10/2003 5:56:35 AM PST by sweetliberty (Go Al, go!)
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To: Brookhaven
I think I'm gonna be sick. I didn't know what it was and really didn't want to ask although I have heard the term used many times. That is .... well, unthinkable.
175 posted on 02/10/2003 6:02:17 AM PST by sweetliberty (Go Al, go!)
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To: madg
You disgust and frighten me, madg. I consider you and those who think as you a danger to my children, and to children everywhere. I will pray for you.
176 posted on 02/10/2003 6:08:11 AM PST by yendu bwam
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To: sweetliberty
The really tragic part of this travesty is that the homosexual recruiting interests put up so much money as to make it impossible for the average parent to be able to fight legally. It would be far cheaper to put the child in private school. The public schools have outlived their usefulness. They have become nothing more than babysitting services and socialist indoctrination centers whose primary language is political correctness. Where is the justice?

There is no justice here - just a form of evil. We moved our kids out of public school some time ago - for their own protection.

177 posted on 02/10/2003 6:09:57 AM PST by yendu bwam
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To: madg
"Was that Attorney General David Driscoll? Whoops, that's right... Dricoll is with the DOE, not the DA or AG. Aw, too bad."

When the highest ranking education official in the second-most pro-homosexual state in the U.S. says that the GLSEN workshops "were of prurient nature, and not educational," you know you the problem is serious. Very serious.

When the DA or AG of the second-most pro-homosexual state in the U.S. remains silent and refuses to investigate the claims of the highest ranking educational official of that state, you know that the homosexual agenda has free run of the state.


"AS I've already mentioned, Swift defunded the Safe Schools program last year while trying to balance the budget. Do try to keep up."

Well it's about time they stop using taxpayer money to fund GLSEN's GSA's. But that doesn't change fact that state funding of GSA's had gone on for years, as documented here


"... Then why aren't you complaining about Camenker, Whiteman, and Pawlick of the MassNews, printing off over 200,000 copies of their VERY sexually explicit article... and mailing it out to unsuspecting families and schools across the State?"

So you finally admit that the the workshop contained " VERY sexually explicit" material. The material for their article came directly from the material presented at the workshop. Perhaps you'd be willing to cite a credible source for your claim of this mass-mailing. If you do, please spare us the links to the Queer Resource Directory (qrd.com).


"What's worse... hearing about "fisting" at a private SEX AND SEXUALITY workshop... or having your kids fetch the mail... from YOUR OWN mailbox... and drop FISTING and LICKING and RUBBING and ANAL BALLS right onto your breakfast table?"

Goodness, madg! Was that good for you?! If homosexuals weren't exposing kids to this stuff in workshops and schools, there'd be no problems and no reason to document and report it.


(I have be gone for the next three hours - back later)

178 posted on 02/10/2003 6:10:08 AM PST by EdReform (ATTENTION FREEPERS and LURKERS - www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/838661/posts)
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To: Mears
The things being taught to my grandchildren are unbelievable,brainwasing with PC crap,even with very young children.

I'm sure you love them. Fight this. Do not be afraid. For your own and others.

179 posted on 02/10/2003 6:11:22 AM PST by yendu bwam
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To: Mears
Why do parents put up with it? Do they condone it?

Before my brother and his wife moved their daughter out of the public schools in the fifth grade, every single day, they would question her about what went on in school, who said what to whom, who did what to whom, how did the teacher react to a situation, what was discussed in social studies, math, English, Health, and everything else. Sometimes I would be at their house, and it was actually painful to watch how my sister-in-law third-degreed my niece. But that type of questionning and also volunteering a couple of days a week in the school made up their minds about removing her.

Sorry to say, it's something parents have to do.
180 posted on 02/10/2003 6:22:43 AM PST by ladylib
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