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Missouri Cherokee Tribes proclaim Jewish Heritage
Christians Unite dot com ^ | February 7, 2003 | Editorial Staff

Posted on 02/21/2003 1:42:37 PM PST by vannrox

Missouri Cherokee Tribes proclaim Jewish Heritage


by Staff
February 7, 2003

The Northern Cherokee Nation of the Old Louisiana Territory has recently shocked the world by claiming their ancient Oral legends tell of a Cherokee migration made to America from the area known as Masada.

This startling evidence is being offered to the public by Beverly Baker Northup whom is the spokesperson for their organization. The evidence offered in support of this connection to Cherokees escaping the mountain fortress of Masada is based in part of what Northup claims is stories passed down from elders and the similarity between ancient words.

Beverly Baker Northup believes there is a connection between these two peoples based on evidence of Jews of the region around Masada during Roman times wearing braided hair and the similarities that the spokesperson attributes to Hebrew language.

In explaining this connection Beverly Baker Northup is quoted as saying:

"The story has been kept alive among our Cherokee people that the Sicarii who escaped from Masada, are some of our ancestors who managed to cross the water to this land, and later became known as Cherokees. (Please note the phonetic resemblance of Si'cari'i and, Cherokee or Tsa'ra-gi'.)"

Northup claims that the famous scholar Josephus wrote that there were escapees from Masada in which the spokesperson for the Northern Cherokee states that this is evidence that gives credence to this connection between the Cherokee Indians and the Jews.

In addition to other startling claims, there is also the belief by the Northern Cherokee that a rock that was uncovered in Tennessee in 1889 that is named the Bat Creek Stone, proves a transatlantic connection to Jews.

Northup believes that the scratched writings on the rock indicate that the stone is evidence of a first century Atlantic Crossing to America by these escaped Jews that later became known as the Northern Cherokee Indians.

The Northern Cherokee attempted to gain full legislative recognition in the State of Missouri in 1985 that was eventually vetoed by Governor John Ashcroft. Governor Ashcroft made the following statement concerning his decision to veto the recognition of the Northern Cherokee:

"The Federal Government has traditionally exercised authority with respect to Indian Affairs. I am not persuaded that the state has such a substantial interest in this area that it should become involved in the recognition of Indian tribes."

Sources among some federally recognized Indian Tribes have stated that Mr. Ashcroft's comments were 100% correct and should be referred to from time to time.


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Extended News; Foreign Affairs; Government; News/Current Events; Philosophy; US: Missouri
KEYWORDS: bible; cherokee; decalogue; godsgravesglyphs; helixmakemineadouble; heritage; history; indian; jew; jewish; loslunas; losttribes; oy; past; tencommandments; tribe
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To: vannrox
Simple, do a DNA test.
121 posted on 02/21/2003 5:20:14 PM PST by Porterville
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To: Jim Noble
FOR SURE.

STRONGLY AGREE.

History AND our history are incredibly complex.
122 posted on 02/21/2003 5:28:50 PM PST by Quix (OTHER TASKS DELAY ME BUT STILL PLANNING TO GET KATHLEEN'S FINAL WARNING EXCERPTS UP)
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To: Just mythoughts
Don't blame you a bit.

Concur.

Curious is good, IMHO.
123 posted on 02/21/2003 5:32:14 PM PST by Quix (OTHER TASKS DELAY ME BUT STILL PLANNING TO GET KATHLEEN'S FINAL WARNING EXCERPTS UP)
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To: Fiddlstix
Thanks for the ping. I've known of this ever since John Kerry and Hillary anounced they were part Cherokee. It's in the tradition of Jewish Indians.

Solomon Bibo (America's only known Jewish Indian Chief)

(1853-1934)

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From the earliest contact between North American Indians and white European settlers, the Europeans held the upper hand. Almost unremittingly, the Europeans imposed their idea of private ownership of land on the Native Americans, obtaining it from them by purchase, stealth and war. Virtually every Indian tribe in North America found its contacts with white settlers painful, if not fatal, and few Indians trusted or respected, much less loved, the white men and women they knew.

One exception to this generalization was Solomon Bibo, a white trader who won the trust and affection of the Acoma Pueblo Indians of New Mexico. In 1888, "Don Solomono," as he was known to the Acomas, became governor of the Acoma Pueblo, the equivalent of chief of the tribe. Remarkably, the Acomas asked the United States to recognize Bibo as their leader. Even more remarkable is that Bibo was a Jew.

Solomon Bibo was born in Prussia in 1853, the sixth of eleven children. In 1866, two of Solomon’s brothers ventured to America and settled in New Mexico, which in 1848 had become part of the United States after being first a Spanish colony and then part of Mexico. Initially, the older Bibo brothers worked for the Spiegelberg family, pioneer Jewish merchants in New Mexico, but moved on to the tiny village of Ceboletta, where they set up a trading post to exchange goods with the Navajos. In 1869, at the age of sixteen, Solomon Bibo left Germany for America. After spending some months on the East coast learning English, he joined his brothers in Ceboletta.

All three Bibo brothers developed reputations for fairness in their dealings with the local Indian tribes, who used to bring the Bibos the farm produce they grew. In turn, the Bibo’s, under contract to the U. S. government, supplied the army forts in the area with this produce. The Indians were paid a fair price by the Bibo’s, which encouraged the Indians to improve their farming techniques. The Bibos also became deeply involved in mediating the many disputes over land ownership that arose between the Indians and the Mexican residents of the area, who for centuries had coveted the Indians’ lands. They also tried to intercede with local white Americans (Anglos) who tried to purchase Indian lands at below market prices. The Bibos were considered pro-Indian and were not particularly embraced by either the Mexicans or their fellow Anglos.

None of the Bibos became more endeared to the Indians than Solomon was to the Acomas. In 1882, he arrived at the pueblo and set up a trading post. He learned Queresan, the Acoma language, and helped the tribe fight its legal battles to restore its traditional lands. By treaty in 1877, the Acomas had been granted 94,000 acres of land by the U.S. government, far less than the Indians thought they were entitled to according to historical evidence. The Acomas were determined that they should lose no more than had already slipped through their hands.

To accomplish this end, in 1884 the tribe decided to offer Bibo a 30 year lease to all their land, in exchange for which he would pay them $12,000, protect their cattle, keep squatters away and mine the coal under the Acoma lands, for which he would pay the tribe a royalty of ten cents per ton for each ton extracted. Pedro Sanchez, the U.S. Indian agent from Santa Fe, learned of the deal and, jealous of the success of the "rico Israelito" (rich Jew), tried to get the federal government to void the lease..

The Bibo family fought back. Simon Bibo petitioned the Board of Indian Commissioners in Washington to the effect that his brother Solomon’s "intentions with the Indians are of the best nature and beneficial to them – because the men, women and children love him as they would a father and he is in the same manner attached to them." In 1888, convinced finally that Bibo had acted honorably, the Indian agent for New Mexico wrote, "To the people of the pueblo of Acoma, having confidence in the ability, integrity and fidelity of Solomon Bibo... I hereby appoint [him] governor of said pueblo."

In 1885, Solomon married an Acoma woman, Juana Valle, granddaughter of his predecessor as governor of the Acoma Pueblo. Juana was originally a Catholic, but observed the Jewish faith and raised her children as Jews. In 1898, wanting their children to receive a Jewish education, Solomon and Juana relocated to San Francisco, where he invested in real estate and opened a fancy food shop. Their oldest son was bar mitzvah at San Francisco’s Ohabei Shalome, and the younger attended religious school at Temple Emanuel. Solomon Bibo died in 1934, Juana in 1941. Solomon Bibo, governor of the Acomas, America’s only known Jewish Indian chief, is buried with his Indian princess in the Jewish cemetery in Colma, California.

124 posted on 02/21/2003 5:32:50 PM PST by SJackson
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To: C19H28O2
A lady in a bar was asked by a man if he could join her in a drink.
"Yes" she says.
"Do you live in town?" he asks.
"No I am here for the Nymphomania convention." replies the woman.
"The what?" Askes the man, surprised.
"The nymphomania convention" she replies.
"I never heard of such a thing, he says, what ever do you do at one
of these conventions?"
"Many, many things, but one of the most important is to dispell myths
about sex."
"Like what?" he asks.
"Well for example do you know that Italian men are not the best
lovers, Jewish men are."
"Is that right?" he replys.
"Yes, and that black men are not the most well endowed, North
American Indian men have the best equipment."
"Well you learn something new everyday." he says.
Then he says, "It is late would you like to join me for dinner?"
"Well I am a little hungry", she said, "but I don't even know your
name, what is it?"

"Running Bear Goldberg..."

126 posted on 02/21/2003 5:44:07 PM PST by 2 Kool 2 Be 4-Gotten
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To: Hodar
I'm LDS. I believe there is truth here. I don't have all the answers. Neither does science. The source of all knowledge is Our Heavenly Father, and someday, we'll be able to get the answers to all our questions.
127 posted on 02/21/2003 5:44:14 PM PST by yellowroses (a Yankee in Texas)
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To: drstevej; fishtank
BTW, I think CCW said he was part Cherokee. Bet the Mormons are scratching their heads. ~ drstevej Your friendly neighborhood Cherokee Calvinist
Woody.
128 posted on 02/21/2003 5:45:13 PM PST by CCWoody
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To: C19H28O2
My contacts never even mentioned the stone.

I'm not sure where your hostility is coming from.

It will be interesting to see the DNA data. Maybe Cherokee and DNA could turn up something on Google.

129 posted on 02/21/2003 5:48:27 PM PST by Quix (OTHER TASKS DELAY ME BUT STILL PLANNING TO GET KATHLEEN'S FINAL WARNING EXCERPTS UP)
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To: Quix
Note not one time have I suggested that I think that Cherokee are correct in their claim.

Based on how little information is actually known, it is amazing that so few questions are raised.

This stone was found over a hundred years ago yet so little is known, a study says its a fraud yet a museum still holds it hidden away.

Very interesting, it will probably come up missing after the article.
130 posted on 02/21/2003 5:50:16 PM PST by Just mythoughts
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To: All; vannrox

Tom McClelland of Richland shows the skull casting of Kennewick Man. He and anthropologist Jim Chatters used to re-create the facial features of the 9,200-year-old discovery.
Herald/André Ranieri
June 3, 2001
Richland scientist explores ancient Americans' origins

This story was published June 3, 2001
Ancient Encounters: Kennewick Man and the First Americans, by James C. Chatters, Simon & Schuster, 2001, 303 pages, $26. By Andy Perdue Herald staff writer Quite simply, Kennewick Man is the biggest story of our time.

The discovery of 9,500-year-old bones along the Columbia River is bigger than any sports event, any terrorist attack and any presidential election. It's about the early inhabitants of this continent and our understanding of who they were and how they got here.

Kennewick Man is a journalist's dream, a story with legs. Next month is the fifth anniversary of the skeleton's discovery, yet interest globally remains high, in part because of the interest in the science and history of Kennewick Man, but mostly because the issue is so politically charged.

James Chatters, the Richland archaeologist and forensic scientist who handled the skull after it was discovered and found most of the rest of the skeleton, is the only expert to study Kennewick Man in any depth - and he had just a short time to do that before the ancient bones were taken by the Army Corps of Engineers. Chatters has written a book about the experience and his studies of other ancient bones that can help us understand the origins of ancient North Americans.

Ancient Encounters: Kennewick Man and the First Americans, which will be released Thursday, is the fourth book on Kennewick Man and the most authoritative and scientific in its approach because of Chatters' expertise and firsthand knowledge of the bones.

Chatters opens with his proposed version of Kennewick Man's last hours alive, a touching approach that grabs the reader's attention. He then dives into the story of the discovery and his involvement.

Much to his dismay, Chatters ended up in the middle of a firestorm over the bones because American Indians, particularly the Confederated Tribes of the Umatilla Indian Reservation, claimed the bones as their own under federal repatriation law.

Upon examination, Chatters said the bones were Caucasoid in nature, which many mistook to mean "white." From his experience and viewpoint, Chatters and other scientists didn't see how Kennewick Man could be associated with any modern American Indian tribes because the bones seemed to tell another story.

But that story quickly was quashed when the Corps got involved, seized the bones from Chatters and planned to give them to the Umatillas for reburial. What followed was a legal battle between eight prominent scientists (a group that didn't include Chatters) and the government that continues today. A federal judge is scheduled to rule on the lawsuit June 19 in Portland.

Chatters would prefer to keep his book on Kennewick Man straightforward and scientific in nature, but Ancient Encounters can't help but be political by the story's very nature.

He discusses his past work with American Indians, particularly the Colville tribe, in analyzing and repatriating bones. He's obviously sympathetic to the tribes and their points of view on ancient remains. He points out his wife and daughter are part American Indian, so he, too, has a stake in the tribal side of the story.

In the first half of Ancient Encounters, Chatters describes the discovery and early research, then the hapless bungling by the Corps that led to the endless legal arguments and proceedings.

It's obvious Chatters just wants to be a scientist, to learn about what the bones can tell us, then do the right thing with them, whether that means reburying them or keeping them for study. He's been hurt by the accusations and the severed ties with tribal members, and he's horrified by the bones' treatment in the possession of the government.

Once the Kennewick Man story runs dry, Chatters looks at other ancient skeletons and uses seemingly disparate clues to find some answers to the epic story of the earliest Americans. Chatters' investigation starts when he still has Kennewick Man and is getting an additional opinion from a colleague at Central Washington University in Ellensburg. While there, he notices part of another skull on a shelf that seems similar to Kennewick Man. After much study, he is able to pinpoint "Stick Man" as likely being from the same era and area as Kennewick Man.

This exciting discovery propels Chatters to look at bones from Idaho, Nevada, Texas, Washington and elsewhere. He leads the reader through his research and into a discussion on early migration patterns and why the long-regarded Clovis First model of ancient immigrants coming from Siberia across a land bridge through Alberta probably is wrong, and offers alternative theories.

Throughout Ancient Encounters, Chatters uses science, not rhetoric, to make his claim that Kennewick Man was from an ancient and probably extinct people who in no way could be mistaken for being ancestors to modern American Indians. He isn't some knee-jerk redneck who wants to reduce tribal claims but a scientist who believes that is what Kennewick Man tells him.

Ancient Encounters is an exciting, approachable and important book that should be read by anyone fascinated by the Kennewick Man story and interested in our origins.

For More Reading on Kennewick Man

The Indians are really fighting to keep any scientific information from being learned. They don't want us to discover that they are not the "First Americans"

131 posted on 02/21/2003 5:55:26 PM PST by Spunky
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To: C19H28O2
Seem to have some anger here!
133 posted on 02/21/2003 5:59:45 PM PST by yellowroses (a Yankee in Texas)
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To: fishtank
Do you resemble your father?
134 posted on 02/21/2003 6:01:51 PM PST by yellowroses (a Yankee in Texas)
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To: C19H28O2
I remember years ago Johnnie Carson had an item in one of his monologues about Camp Goldberg - he said that that was where the Indians sent their kids to camp. The comic possiblities are truly endless.

Hopalong Rosenbloom
136 posted on 02/21/2003 6:04:48 PM PST by 2 Kool 2 Be 4-Gotten
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To: C19H28O2
Have you ever considered reading

THE ANGER WORKBOOK

I'm sure Amazon has it.
137 posted on 02/21/2003 6:07:58 PM PST by Quix (OTHER TASKS DELAY ME BUT STILL PLANNING TO GET KATHLEEN'S FINAL WARNING EXCERPTS UP)
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To: Spunky
Very interesting, it was found in 1996, and they are still fighting over it. So how much did Clinton get from the Indians to hide it.

Modern humans are too arrogant, they have accomplished so much yet are so dumb about some things.
138 posted on 02/21/2003 6:09:43 PM PST by Just mythoughts
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To: blam
"They appeared 'full blown' as a civilization, no record or history leading up to their culture."

Similar to Sumer, it appears. Wouldn't surprise me if they find evidence showing both had the same benefactor(s).

140 posted on 02/21/2003 6:11:18 PM PST by Eastbound
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