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48 Hours In Hell
Gospel Tract and Bible Society ^ | 1888 | John W. Reynolds

Posted on 05/07/2014 10:00:03 PM PDT by OneVike

One of the most interesting cases of resuscitation that ever came to my knowledge was that of George Lennox, a notorious horse thief of Jefferson County. He was serving his second term. Sedgwick County sent him to the prison the first time for a similar offense - stealing horses.

During the winter of 1887 and 1888 he worked in the coal mines. The place where he was laboring seemed dangerous to him. He reported the fact to the officer in charge, who made an examination, and deciding that the room was safe, ordered Lennox back to his work. The convict, obeying, had not continued his work more than an hour, when the roof fell in and completely buried him. He remained in this condition fully two hours.

Missed at dinner time, a search was instituted for the missing convict, and he was found under this heap of rubbish. Life seemed extinct. He was taken to the top, and on examination by the prison physician, was pronounced dead. His remains were carried to the hospital where he was washed and dressed, preparatory for interment. His coffin was made and brought to the hospital. The chaplain had arrived to perform the last sad rites preparatory to burial. A couple of prisoners were ordered by the hospital steward to lift the corpse from the boards and carry it across the room and place it in the coffin. They obeyed, one at the head, the other at the feet and were about half way across the room when the one who was at the head accidentally stumbled over a cuspidor, lost his balance, and dropped the corpse. The head of the dead man struck the floor, and to the utter surprise and astonishment of all present, a deep groan was heard. Soon the eyes opened, and other appearances of life were manifested. The physician was immediately sent for, and by the time he arrived, some thirty minutes, the dead man had called for a cup of water, and was in the act of drinking when the physician arrived.

The coffin was at once removed and later on was used to bury another convict in. His robes were also taken from him, and the prison garb substituted. On an examination he was found to have one of his legs broken in two places, and was otherwise bruised. He remained in the hospital some six months, and again went to work.

I learned of his peculiar experience while apparently dead soon after, from a fellow miner. Prompted by curiosity, I longed for an acquaintance with Lennox to get his experience from his own lips. This opportunity was not offered for several months. At last it came. After being removed from the mines I was detailed to one of the prison offices to make out some annual reports. The subject of this man"s return to life was being discussed one day, when he happened to pass by the office door and was pointed out to me. It was not long until I had a note in his hand, and asked him to come where I was at work. He did so, and here I got well acquainted with him, and from his own lips received his wonderful story. He is a young man, probably not over thirty years of age. He had been a hardened criminal; is possessed of a very good education, and naturally very bright.

The most wonderful part of his story was that during the time he was dead. Being a shorthand reporter, I took his story from dictation.

Said he: "I had a presentiment all the morning that something terrible was going to happen. I was so uneasy on account of my feelings that I went to my mining boss Mr. Grason, and told him how I felt, and asked him if he would not come and examine my coal room, the place where I was digging coal. He came and seemed to make a thorough examination, and ordered me back to work, saying there was no danger, and that he thought I was going "cranky." I returned to my work, and had been digging away for something like an hour, when all of a sudden it grew very dark. Then it seemed as if a great iron door swung open and I passed through it. The thought then came to my mind that I was dead and in another world. I could see no one, nor hear sound of any kind. From some cause unknown to myself, I started to move away from the doorway, and had traveled some distance when I came to the banks of a broad river. It was not dark, neither was it light. There was about as much light as on a bright, star lit night. I had not remained on the banks of this river very long until I could hear the sound of oars in the water, and soon a person in a boat rowed up to where I was standing.

"I was speechless. He looked at me for a moment, and then said that he had come for me, and told me to get into the boat and row across to the other side. I obeyed. Not a word was spoken. I longed to ask him who he was, and where I was. My tongue seemed to cling to the roof of my mouth. I could not say a word. Finally we reached the opposite shore. I got out of the boat, and the boatman vanished out of sight.

"Thus left alone, I knew not what to do. Looking out before me, I saw two roads which led through a dark valley. One of these was a broad road and seemed to be well traveled. The other was a narrow path and led off in another direction. I instinctively followed the well-beaten road. I had not gone far when it seemed to grow darker. Ever and anon, however a light would flash up from the distance, and in this manner I was lighted on my journey.

"Presently I was met by a being that is utterly impossible for me to describe. I can only give you a faint idea of his dreadful appearance. He resembled a man somewhat, but was much larger than any human being I ever saw. He must have been at least ten feet high. He had great wings on his back. He was black as the coal I had been digging, and in a perfectly nude condition. He had a spear in his hand, the handle of which must have been fully fifteen feet in length. His eyes shone like balls of fire. His teeth, white as pearl, seemed fully an inch long. His nose, if you could call it a nose, was very large, broad and flat. His hair was very coarse, heavy and long. It hung down upon his massive shoulders. His voice sounded more like the growls of a lion in a menagerie than anything I can recall.

"It was during one of the flashes of light that I first saw him. I trembled like an aspen leaf at the sight. He had his spear raised as if to send it flying through me. I suddenly stopped. With that terrible voice I seem to hear yet, he bade me follow him; that he had been sent to guide me on my journey. I followed. What else could I do? After he had gone some distance a large mountain appeared to rise up before us. The part facing us seemed perpendicular, just as if a mountain had been cut in two and one part had been taken away. On this perpendicular wall I could distinctly see these words, "This is Hell." My guide approached this perpendicular wall, and with his spear handle gave three loud raps. A large massive door swung back and we passed in. I was then conducted on through what appeared to be a passage through this mountain.

"For some time we traveled in Egyptian darkness. I could hear the heavy footfalls of my guide and thus could follow him. All the way along I could hear deep groans as of someone dying. Further on, these groans increased, and I could distinctly hear the cry water, water, water. Coming now to another gateway, and, passing through, I could hear, it seemed, a million voices in the distance, and the cry was for water, water. Presently another large door opened at the knock of my guide, and I found that we had passed through the mountain, and now a broad plain lay before me.

"At this place my guide left me to direct other lost spirits to the same destination. I remained in this open plain for a time, when a being somewhat similar to the first one came to me; but instead of a spear he had a huge sword. He came to tell me of my future doom. He spoke with a voice that struck horror to my soul. "Thou art in hell," he said; "for thee all hope is fled. As thou passed through the mountain on thy way hither, thou didst hear the groans and shrieks of the lost as they called for water to cool their parched tongues. Along that passage there is a door that opens into the lake of fire. This is soon to be thy doom. Before thou art conducted to this place of torment never more to emerge - for there is no hope for those who enter there - thou shalt be permitted to remain in this open plain, where it is granted to all the lost to behold what they might have enjoyed instead of what they must suffer."

With this I was left alone. Whether the result of the terrible fright through which I had passed I know not, but now I became stupefied. A dull languor took full possession of my frame. My strength departed from me. My limbs refused to support my body longer. Overcome, I now sank down a helpless mass. Drowsiness now took control of me. Half awake, half asleep, I seemed to dream. Far above me, and in the distance, I saw the Beautiful City of which we read in the Bible. How wonderfully beautiful were its walls of jasper. Stretching out and away in the distance. I saw vast plains covered with beautiful flowers. I, too, beheld the river of life and would pass in and out through the gates of the city, singing, oh, such beautiful songs. Among the number I saw my dear old mother, who died a few ears ago of a broken heart because of my wickedness. She looked toward me and seemed to beckon me to her, But I could not move. There appeared to be a great weight upon me that held me down. now a gentle breeze wafted the fragrance if those lovely flowers toward me, and I could now more plainly than ever, hear the sweet melody of angel voices, and I said, "Oh, that I could be one of them."

"As I was drinking from this cup of bliss it was suddenly dashed from my lips. I was aroused from my slumbers. I was brought back from happy dreamland by an inmate of my dark abode, who said that it was now time to enter upon my future career. He bade me follow him. Retracing my steps I again entered the dark passageway, and followed my guide for a time, when we came to a door that opened in the side of the passage, and going along this, we finally found ourselves passing through another door, and lo! I beheld the lake of fire.

"Just before me I could see, as far as the eye could reach, that literal lake of fire and brimstone. Huge billows of fire would roll over each other, and great waves of fiery flame would dash against each other and leap high in the air like the waves of the sea during a violent storm. On the crest of the waves I could see human beings rise, but soon to be carried down again to the lowest depths of this awful lake of fire. When borne on the crest of these awful billows for a time their curses against a just God would be appalling, and their pitiful cries for water would be heart-rending. This vast region of fire echoed and reechoed with the wails of these lost spirits.

Presently I turned my eyes to the door through which I had a few moments before entered, and I read these awful words, "This is thy doom; Eternity never ends." Shortly I began to feel the earth give way under my feet, and I soon found myself sinking down into the lake of fire. An indescribable thirst for water now seized upon me. And calling for water my eyes opened in the hospital prison.

"I have never told this experience of mine before for fear the prison officials would get hold of it, think me insane and lock me in the crankhouse. I passed through all of this, and I am as well satisfied as I am that I live, that there is a heaven and there is a Hell, and a regular old-fashioned Hell, the kind the Bible tells about. But there is one thing certain, I am never going to that place any more.

"As soon as I opened my eyes in the hospital and found that I was alive and on earth once more, I immediately gave my heart to God and I am going to live and die a Christian. While the terrible sights of Hell can never be banished from my memory, neither can the beautiful things of Heaven I saw, I am going to meet my dear old mother after awhile. To be permitted to sit down on the banks of that beautiful river, to wander with those angels across the plains, through the vales and over the hills carpeted with fragrant flowers, the beauty of which far surpasses anything that mortal can imagine; to listen to the songs of the saved - all this ill more than compensate me for living the life of a Christian here on earth, even if I have to forego many sensual pleasures in which I indulged before coming to the prison. I have abandoned my companions in crime, and am going to associate with good people when I am once more a free man.”

We give the account to the reader just as we received it from Lennox.

It is one of the most wonderful experiences it has ever been our lot to read. May God bless this message from Mr. Lennox to the awakening of many lost souls. Oh, how can men doubt the existence of a real, literal burning Hell? Tell me, how can they, when we have the Word and remarkable revelation such as the above from time to time? Men and women, stop! Face about! Get a real Bible experience of heart felt salvation, lest you experience the reality of not only forty-eight hours, but an Eternity in Hell.

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To: OneVike

actually, they are not..but you are blind to that. Oh well!


61 posted on 05/08/2014 4:41:52 PM PDT by fabian (" And a new day will dawn for those who stand long, and the forests will echo in laughter")
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To: OneVike

sorry, but you are incorrect!

14 Bible Verses That Indicate Jesus Is Not God
Bible Verses That Indicate Jesus Is Not God The Creator

1. Matthew 24:36
No one knows about that day or hour, not even the Son, but the Father only.
Here Jesus makes a distinction between what he knows and what the Father knows.

2. Matthew 26:39
My Father, if it is possible, may this cup be taken from me, yet not as I will, but as Thou will.
Jesus’ will is likewise autonomous from God’s Will. Jesus is seeking acquiescence to God’s will.

3. John 5:26
For as the Father has life in Himself, so he has granted the Son to have life in himself.
Jesus received his life from God. God received his life from no one. He is eternally self-existent.

4. John 5:30
By myself, I can do nothing: I judge only as I hear, and my judgment is just, for I seek not to please myself but him who has sent me.
Jesus says, “by myself, I can do nothing.” This indicates that Jesus is relying upon his own relationship with God. He is not trying to “please myself” but rather is seeking to “please the one who sent me.”

5. John 5:19
The Son can do nothing by himself; he can do only what he sees the Father doing, because whatever the Father does, the Son does also.
Jesus declares that he is following a pattern laid down by God. He is expressing obedience to God.

6. Mark 10:18
Why do you call me good? No one is good, except God alone.
Here Jesus emphatically makes a distinction between himself and God.

7. John 14:28
The Father is greater than I.
This is another strong statement that makes a distinction between Jesus and God.

8. Matthew 6:9
Our Father, which art in Heaven.
He didn’t pray, Our Father, which art standing right here!”

9. Matthew 27:46
My God, My God, why hast thou forsaken me?
Inconceivable if he is God the Creator.

10. John 17:21-23
. . .that all of them may be one, Father, just as you are in me and I am in you. May they also be in us so that the world may believe that you have sent me. . ..that they may be one as we are one: I in them and you in me.
In this prayer Jesus defines the term “to be one.” It is clearly accomplished through the relationship of two autonomous beings. Christian believers are to model their relationship (to become one) after the relationship of God and Christ (as God and Christ are one). Notice that “to be one” does not mean to be “one and the same.”

11. 1 Corinthians 15:27-28
For he “has put everything under his feet.” Now when it says that “everything” has been put under him, it is clear that this does not include God himself, who put everything under Christ. When he has done this, then the Son himself will be made subject to him who put everything under him, so that God may be all in all.
Paul declares that God put everything under Christ, except God himself. Instead God rules all things through Christ. (remember: “through him all things were made.”)

12. Hebrews 1:3
The Son is the radiance of God’s glory and the exact representation of his being.
Jesus is the exact representation of his being. I send my representative to Congress. He is not me, myself. He is my representative.

13. Hebrews 4:15 (compared with James 1:13)
For we do not have a high priest who is unable to sympathize with our weaknesses, but we have one who has been tempted in every way, just as we are—yet without sin.
Jesus has been tempted in every way, just as we are, yet he never sinned. See

James 1:13: When tempted, no one should say, God is tempting me. For God cannot be tempted by evil, nor does he tempt.
Jesus was tempted in every way, but God cannot be tempted. This is why Jesus said, “don’t call me good, none are good, only God.”

14. Hebrews 5:7-9
During the days of Jesus’ life on earth, he offered up prayers and petitions with loud cries and tears to the one who could save him from death, and he was heard because of his reverent submission. Although he was a son, he learned obedience from what he suffered and, once made perfect, he became the source of eternal salvation for all who obey him
Jesus had to walk a course of faith and obedience in order to achieve perfection. By achieving perfection, Jesus “became” the source of eternal salvation
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62 posted on 05/08/2014 4:44:35 PM PDT by fabian (" And a new day will dawn for those who stand long, and the forests will echo in laughter")
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To: imardmd1

Actually, I believe you can. For example, growing up I was taught that the unsaved are tormented in Hell forever. Now, those that taught me that truly believed that, but that is a lie or falsehood.

Hell is the temporary place of the unsaved, but Hell is destroyed in the Lake of Fire along with death and the unsaved.

Revelation 20:14-15
And death and hell were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death.
And whosoever was not found written in the book of life was cast into the lake of fire.


63 posted on 05/08/2014 5:14:32 PM PDT by ScubieNuc (When there is no justice in the laws, justice is left to the outlaws.)
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To: OneVike

I agree with you.


64 posted on 05/08/2014 5:15:08 PM PDT by ScubieNuc (When there is no justice in the laws, justice is left to the outlaws.)
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To: fabian

Fabian,

Why do you think that the chief priests wanted Jesus crucified?
Was it because he claimed to be God or something else, in your mind?

I’m not going to make a mile long post that most wont read, but it is clear to me in the reading of the Gospels that Jesus claimed to be God, both through direct language and indirect language (like claiming to forgive sins).

I haven’t read all of your posts, so forgive me if I’m rehashing something you’ve already gone over.


65 posted on 05/08/2014 5:25:52 PM PDT by ScubieNuc (When there is no justice in the laws, justice is left to the outlaws.)
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To: ScubieNuc

he was the messiah..reason enough to kill him. I provided obvious scriptures that show he was and never claimed to be God. Period.


66 posted on 05/08/2014 6:32:39 PM PDT by fabian (" And a new day will dawn for those who stand long, and the forests will echo in laughter")
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To: fabian

You can say until you are blue in the face, but will be wrong. You don’t even respond to facts or evidence, you keep going off like you expect to convince those with the truth that you are right, but you ain’t.

You can tell me not to pray for you all you want, but I will and maybe you eyes will open. You need to start by reading the Word instead of repeating lies you hear from some false teacher who is one whacked out idiot.

One problem is, I read everything you posted, and you are wrong. I bet you have not read one comment by those of us who gave you proof of your error.


67 posted on 05/08/2014 7:06:30 PM PDT by OneVike (I'm just a Christian waiting for a ride home)
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To: OneVike

you gave no proof..only possible interpretations. I posted Jesus’s own words that makes it clear! Beyond doubt! You guys are gullible! Jesus was very aware to not take any credit for anything of himself...that is God’s ability only and the very reason that Adam fell! What the heck are you guys doing to a beautiful religion!?


68 posted on 05/08/2014 7:09:37 PM PDT by fabian (" And a new day will dawn for those who stand long, and the forests will echo in laughter")
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To: ScubieNuc
Hell is the temporary place of the unsaved, but Hell is destroyed in the Lake of Fire along with death and the unsaved.

You assume that in John's vision, a playback of what has not yet happened, Hell is destroyed in the Lake of Fire. I believe that's not quite so. Yes, it ceases to exist as a separate entity, but fuses into a part of that which is of the same nature, only larger (and hotter?); similar to a glass of water being tossed into a river.

Death was also cast into the Lake of Fire, but was not destroyed, either; it retains its characteristic of being the overriding principle operating in the Lake of Fire.

You may say that those humans whose name was/is not written in the Book of Life will have a brief moment of respite at the moment they are rejoined to a corrupted body and fairly judged, just before they are thrown back into the hellish never-ending Lake of Fire to accompany the Beast (anti-god), the false prophet (anti-christ), Satan-dragon (anti-spirit), and all fallen angels.

But all this is not the motivating cause of salvation. It is only the basis for conviction, one's recognition and agreement with the sentence deserved for ones crimes against The God.

It is the yearning cry for mercy while it is available, upon which The God acts through the faith of Christ to save, IMHO.

69 posted on 05/08/2014 7:38:35 PM PDT by imardmd1 (Fiat Lux)
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To: fabian

So did I. He told the Pharisees, “I AM” (John 8:58)

Only one way to translate it. He told them He was GOD!

They even tried to stone Him for saying it, but you want to be ignorant and accuse others of not showing evidence of Him calling Himself GOD!


70 posted on 05/08/2014 7:49:02 PM PDT by OneVike (I'm just a Christian waiting for a ride home)
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To: imardmd1; ScubieNuc
Jesus talked about hell more than any other person in the Bible. He warned those listening, “Do not be afraid of those who kill the body but cannot kill the soul. Rather, be afraid of the One who can destroy both soul and body in hell” (Matthew 10:28).

The reality of hell should frighten us, because not one word in the Bible about hell would ever make you want to go there — not if you take it seriously. The Bible speaks of hell as a place of absolute loneliness and despair and hopelessness. It calls it a place of “darkness, where there will be weeping and gnashing of teeth” (Matthew 22:13).

But Jesus didn’t talk about hell just to scare us. He talked about it instead because He wanted us to know that God has provided a way of escape! God doesn’t want us to be separated from Him forever. He loves us, and He wants us to spend eternity with Him in heaven. Unlike hell, we all know about heaven as a place of joy, peace, freedom from all the fears and pains of this world.
71 posted on 05/08/2014 7:57:57 PM PDT by OneVike (I'm just a Christian waiting for a ride home)
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To: OneVike
We can discuss it in the original language, and I will prove to you that you are wrong, because Jesus is God.

To satisfy my curiosity, would you please kindly take a moment to describe your understanding of John 1:1, particularly the last phrase?

(I think you meant that you'd discuss in English terms the precise meaning imparted by the Koine for this thought which was translated rather ambiguously by the KJV translators. You don't want to discuss it in the original language, do you?)

72 posted on 05/08/2014 7:58:31 PM PDT by imardmd1 (Fiat Lux)
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To: OneVike

yet you cannot deal with nor refute the clear scriptures that I sent. period.


73 posted on 05/08/2014 8:06:16 PM PDT by fabian (" And a new day will dawn for those who stand long, and the forests will echo in laughter")
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To: fabian
Believe what you wish. I am confident in my understanding of the Word. I am also confident that you will either accept it, or one day pay the ultimate price for denying Him.

That being said, I am not going to go over it and over it with hours of typing and proving, so instead, I will use evidence from others I have full faith and confidence in.

Proof Jesus Claimed to be God

“I am the First and the Last. I am the Living One; I was dead, and behold I am alive for ever and ever!” (Rev.1:17–18).2

When Jesus came to Caesarea Philippi, He asked His disciples the mother of all questions, “Who do you say I am?” (Matt.16:15; Mark8:29; Luke9:20). Mormons answer this question by saying that Jesus is the spirit brother of Lucifer; Jehovah’s Witnesses answer by saying that Jesus is the archangel Michael; New Agers say Jesus is an avatar or enlightened messenger. Jesus, however, answered by claiming that He was God.

First, Jesus claimed to be the unique Son of God. As a result, the Jewish leaders tried to kill Him because in “calling God his own Father, [Jesus was] making himself equal with God” (John5:18). In John8:58 Jesus went so far as to use the very words by which God revealed Himself to Moses from the burning bush (Exod.3:14). To the Jews this was the epitome of blasphemy, for they knew that in doing so Jesus was clearly claiming to be God. On yet another occasion, Jesus explicitly told the Jews: “‘I and the Father are one.’ Again the Jews picked up stones to stone him, but Jesus said to them, ‘I have shown you many great miracles from the Father. For which of these do you stone me?’ ‘We are not stoning you for any of these,’ replied the Jews, ‘but for blasphemy, because you, a mere man, claim to be God’” (John10:30–33).

Furthermore, Jesus made an unmistakable claim to deity before the chief priests and the whole Sanhedrin. Caiaphas the high priest asked Him: “‘Are you the Christ, the Son of the Blessed One?’ ‘I am,’ said Jesus. ‘And you will see the Son of Man sitting at the right hand of the Mighty One and coming on the clouds of heaven’” (Mark14:61–62). A biblically illiterate person might well have missed the import of Jesus’ words. Caiaphas and the council, however, did not. They knew that in saying he was “the Son of Man” who would come “on the clouds of heaven” he was making an overt reference to the Son of Man in Daniel’s prophecy (Dan. 7:13–14). In doing so, He was not only claiming to be the preexistent Sovereign of the universe but prophesying that He would vindicate His claim by judging the very court that was now condemning Him. Moreover, by combining Daniel’s prophecy with David’s proclamation in Psalm 110, Jesus was claiming that He would sit upon the throne of Israel’s God and share God’s very glory. To students of the Old Testament this was the height of “blasphemy,” thus “they all condemned him as worthy of death” (Mark14:64–65).

Finally, Jesus claimed to possess the very attributes of God. For example, He claimed omniscience by telling Peter, “This very night, before the rooster crows, you will disown me three times” (Matt.26:34); declared omnipotence by not only resurrecting Lazarus (John11:43) but by raising Himself from the dead (John2:19); and professed omnipresence by promising that He would be with His disciples “to the very end of the age” (Matt.28:20). Not only so, but Jesus said to the paralytic in Luke5:20, “Friend, your sins are forgiven.” In doing so, He claimed a prerogative reserved for God alone. In addition, when Thomas worshiped Jesus saying “My Lord and my God!” (John20:28), Jesus responded with commendation rather than condemnation.
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74 posted on 05/08/2014 8:27:04 PM PDT by OneVike (I'm just a Christian waiting for a ride home)
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To: OneVike

you simply cannot deal with the scriptures I posted...that Jesus himself spoke. Period. End of debate..you are wrong and will not admit it.


75 posted on 05/08/2014 8:32:29 PM PDT by fabian (" And a new day will dawn for those who stand long, and the forests will echo in laughter")
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To: fabian

Talk about being ignorant, you absolutely refuse to even read the proof you are wrong. Why are you afraid to read the truth? I post the scriptures and you refuse to read them and then claim I will not admit I am wrong.

What part of Christ saying He is God, “I AM” do you not understand?


76 posted on 05/08/2014 9:29:38 PM PDT by OneVike (I'm just a Christian waiting for a ride home)
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To: imardmd1

Yes I wanted to debate him in the original Koine Greek the NT epistles were written in. What better way to prove he is clueless as to what was written in the original language, and thus clueless of what he is talking about.

See, nothing shuts up a heretic or cultist up quicker than to challenge them to a debate in the original language the Scriptures were written in.

It’s really funny when Jehovah’s Witnesses come around. I bring out my Hebrew/Greek/English Interlinear Bible out and they run away like a vampire being shown a cross.

It truly is funny to watch.

So yes, I challenged him to a debate in the original language for him to attempt to defend his lie. He obviously never responded to my challenge though.

See, English is such a difficult language to translate the actual meaning of Koine Greek words. Like the fact that there are four different words the Greek language used to describe the four different ways to use the word love, but we use the same word for all four meanings.

That is why it is so easy to confuse those who don’t even have a simple understanding of the Bible, let alone the original meaning of words. Cultists use false interpretations of the ancient language to fool unlearned people into believing lies. Most people look blankly and take their word for what they say.

Koine, is the most beautiful language ever spoken, and that is Why God came during that time. it was the best language to convey His message in. So I suggest all serious Bible studiers to learn it.


77 posted on 05/08/2014 9:42:21 PM PDT by OneVike (I'm just a Christian waiting for a ride home)
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To: OneVike

you take two words..that can be mistranslated..which also he did not mean that he was God...and dismiss all of the CLEAR scriptures that I sent. Ridiculous...what some Christians have made of Jesus!


78 posted on 05/08/2014 9:51:26 PM PDT by fabian (" And a new day will dawn for those who stand long, and the forests will echo in laughter")
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To: fabian; OneVike
You guys twist and turn to try and make him lot to be God.

The word "God" has three senses.

The first is as a name, which identifies an entity, an object or person.

The second is its use as a title, which refers to the function of that object or person.

The third is as a quality or substance of an object or person.

I believe that one of you is very confused as to the semantics of the word "God," and thus thinks others are confused when they use the word properly in a way he hasn't yet sorted out.

Let's compare this to a physical example, that of water, H2O:

(1) Liquid water = water = H2O

(2) Gaseous water = steam = H2O

(3) Solid water = ice = H2O

(4) Water is not steam; steam is not ice; ice is not water.

(5) Each entity has unique properties that are not interchangeable, their "titles" are different, their "names" are different, but all are of the same substance. All are forms of water.

(6) All may coexist at one unique time, temperature and pressure.

(7) In certain temperature/pressure regimes, any two may coexist, but the third may not be present.

(8) Under some conditions, all the water present must be in one form, where the other two are not permitted.

These are real, undebatable facts for a material substance that appears in three forms. But linguistically some of the terms are commonly (and sometimes confusedly) interchanged in written communications.

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I think that the Creation provides examples of behavior and language describing it that can help us understand the Creator of it. It does so throughout, especially in Proverbs. I think it is possible to apply this kind of consideration to examine concepts of the Persons of the Godhead, particularly when name(s) is/are confused with title(s), or quality(ies) with either.

(1) The quality of Divinity defines the Nature or Substance of The God, that is, Elohim, a uniplural Hebrew term.

(2) The Name "God" is applied to that Person in Whom the Divinity, the Nature, the Substance of God is invested.

(3) God = Father = Divinity

(4) Jesus = Son = Divinity

(5) Spirit = Holy Spirit/Ghost = Divinity

(6) The Father is not The Son; The Son is not The Holy Spirit; and The Holy Spiit is not The Father; but all are titled God and bear the Nature, Substance, and Quality of Divinity, of God.

(7) Each Person has mutually designated appearances, tasks, and functions. Only The Father saves. Only Jesus became Incarnate, died on the Cross, was resurrected from the dead ones, ascended into The Heaven, and offered His Incorruptible Blood upon the Mercy Seat of The Holy of Holies in Heaven as Eternal High Priest to obtain reconciliation with The Father. Only The Holy Spirit has the task of drawing the attention of human critters and the Creation to The Lord of Lords, the King of Kings, Jeaus The Anointed One/Messsiah/Savior.

In the sense Jesus explained to His disciples, The Holy Ghost, another Comforter as the same kind as the Lord and Master Jesus Christ, could only be sent to sustain His Body, individually and corporately, after Jesus' Ascension. But all sre God in Person, Substance, and function.

(8) These Persons are also One and United in intent, design, execution, and empowerment to carry out their plan for restoring this Creation and bringing Glory, Honor, and Majesty to Their Persons and Existence for all to see and acknowledge.

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Let's apply some maturity and common sense when discussing the nature of theology and its legitimate Persons, eh?

In John 1:1c, The Word (articular, a title of Jesus) is God (anarthrous, making it a nature or quality, not another Person or title of/in The Godhead). Jesus is God, Divinity.

For me, The Preincarnate Jesus is named Jehovah, has the titles of Son, Child; named Wonderful, Counselor, Mighty God, Everlasting Father, Prince of Peace, and is the Executor in function of Elohim/The God's Will. By preexisting agreement and division of functions.

It is He of Whom and about Whom the Holy Bible of Scriptures is written.

The purpose of the Bible is to communicate The God's plan for redeeming the Creation and His Children from the wreckage caused by the disobedience of Satan and our federal head, Adam.

The theme of the Bible is the Coming of The Messiah, The King, and His Kingdom of Righteousness and Peace, our Lord Jesus Christ.

Is He not God?

79 posted on 05/08/2014 10:18:51 PM PDT by imardmd1 (Fiat Lux)
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To: OneVike

You are correct. Jesus was not sent to frighten us into submission. He could have done that, were He not God.


80 posted on 05/08/2014 10:21:45 PM PDT by imardmd1 (Fiat Lux)
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