Posted on 05/07/2014 10:00:03 PM PDT by OneVike
actually, they are not..but you are blind to that. Oh well!
sorry, but you are incorrect!
14 Bible Verses That Indicate Jesus Is Not God
Bible Verses That Indicate Jesus Is Not God The Creator
1. Matthew 24:36
No one knows about that day or hour, not even the Son, but the Father only.
Here Jesus makes a distinction between what he knows and what the Father knows.
2. Matthew 26:39
My Father, if it is possible, may this cup be taken from me, yet not as I will, but as Thou will.
Jesus’ will is likewise autonomous from God’s Will. Jesus is seeking acquiescence to God’s will.
3. John 5:26
For as the Father has life in Himself, so he has granted the Son to have life in himself.
Jesus received his life from God. God received his life from no one. He is eternally self-existent.
4. John 5:30
By myself, I can do nothing: I judge only as I hear, and my judgment is just, for I seek not to please myself but him who has sent me.
Jesus says, “by myself, I can do nothing.” This indicates that Jesus is relying upon his own relationship with God. He is not trying to “please myself” but rather is seeking to “please the one who sent me.”
5. John 5:19
The Son can do nothing by himself; he can do only what he sees the Father doing, because whatever the Father does, the Son does also.
Jesus declares that he is following a pattern laid down by God. He is expressing obedience to God.
6. Mark 10:18
Why do you call me good? No one is good, except God alone.
Here Jesus emphatically makes a distinction between himself and God.
7. John 14:28
The Father is greater than I.
This is another strong statement that makes a distinction between Jesus and God.
8. Matthew 6:9
Our Father, which art in Heaven.
He didn’t pray, Our Father, which art standing right here!”
9. Matthew 27:46
My God, My God, why hast thou forsaken me?
Inconceivable if he is God the Creator.
10. John 17:21-23
. . .that all of them may be one, Father, just as you are in me and I am in you. May they also be in us so that the world may believe that you have sent me. . ..that they may be one as we are one: I in them and you in me.
In this prayer Jesus defines the term “to be one.” It is clearly accomplished through the relationship of two autonomous beings. Christian believers are to model their relationship (to become one) after the relationship of God and Christ (as God and Christ are one). Notice that “to be one” does not mean to be “one and the same.”
11. 1 Corinthians 15:27-28
For he “has put everything under his feet.” Now when it says that “everything” has been put under him, it is clear that this does not include God himself, who put everything under Christ. When he has done this, then the Son himself will be made subject to him who put everything under him, so that God may be all in all.
Paul declares that God put everything under Christ, except God himself. Instead God rules all things through Christ. (remember: “through him all things were made.”)
12. Hebrews 1:3
The Son is the radiance of God’s glory and the exact representation of his being.
Jesus is the exact representation of his being. I send my representative to Congress. He is not me, myself. He is my representative.
13. Hebrews 4:15 (compared with James 1:13)
For we do not have a high priest who is unable to sympathize with our weaknesses, but we have one who has been tempted in every way, just as we are—yet without sin.
Jesus has been tempted in every way, just as we are, yet he never sinned. See
James 1:13: When tempted, no one should say, God is tempting me. For God cannot be tempted by evil, nor does he tempt.
Jesus was tempted in every way, but God cannot be tempted. This is why Jesus said, “don’t call me good, none are good, only God.”
14. Hebrews 5:7-9
During the days of Jesus’ life on earth, he offered up prayers and petitions with loud cries and tears to the one who could save him from death, and he was heard because of his reverent submission. Although he was a son, he learned obedience from what he suffered and, once made perfect, he became the source of eternal salvation for all who obey him
Jesus had to walk a course of faith and obedience in order to achieve perfection. By achieving perfection, Jesus “became” the source of eternal salvation
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Actually, I believe you can. For example, growing up I was taught that the unsaved are tormented in Hell forever. Now, those that taught me that truly believed that, but that is a lie or falsehood.
Hell is the temporary place of the unsaved, but Hell is destroyed in the Lake of Fire along with death and the unsaved.
Revelation 20:14-15
And death and hell were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death.
And whosoever was not found written in the book of life was cast into the lake of fire.
I agree with you.
Fabian,
Why do you think that the chief priests wanted Jesus crucified?
Was it because he claimed to be God or something else, in your mind?
I’m not going to make a mile long post that most wont read, but it is clear to me in the reading of the Gospels that Jesus claimed to be God, both through direct language and indirect language (like claiming to forgive sins).
I haven’t read all of your posts, so forgive me if I’m rehashing something you’ve already gone over.
he was the messiah..reason enough to kill him. I provided obvious scriptures that show he was and never claimed to be God. Period.
You can say until you are blue in the face, but will be wrong. You don’t even respond to facts or evidence, you keep going off like you expect to convince those with the truth that you are right, but you ain’t.
You can tell me not to pray for you all you want, but I will and maybe you eyes will open. You need to start by reading the Word instead of repeating lies you hear from some false teacher who is one whacked out idiot.
One problem is, I read everything you posted, and you are wrong. I bet you have not read one comment by those of us who gave you proof of your error.
you gave no proof..only possible interpretations. I posted Jesus’s own words that makes it clear! Beyond doubt! You guys are gullible! Jesus was very aware to not take any credit for anything of himself...that is God’s ability only and the very reason that Adam fell! What the heck are you guys doing to a beautiful religion!?
You assume that in John's vision, a playback of what has not yet happened, Hell is destroyed in the Lake of Fire. I believe that's not quite so. Yes, it ceases to exist as a separate entity, but fuses into a part of that which is of the same nature, only larger (and hotter?); similar to a glass of water being tossed into a river.
Death was also cast into the Lake of Fire, but was not destroyed, either; it retains its characteristic of being the overriding principle operating in the Lake of Fire.
You may say that those humans whose name was/is not written in the Book of Life will have a brief moment of respite at the moment they are rejoined to a corrupted body and fairly judged, just before they are thrown back into the hellish never-ending Lake of Fire to accompany the Beast (anti-god), the false prophet (anti-christ), Satan-dragon (anti-spirit), and all fallen angels.
But all this is not the motivating cause of salvation. It is only the basis for conviction, one's recognition and agreement with the sentence deserved for ones crimes against The God.
It is the yearning cry for mercy while it is available, upon which The God acts through the faith of Christ to save, IMHO.
So did I. He told the Pharisees, “I AM” (John 8:58)
Only one way to translate it. He told them He was GOD!
They even tried to stone Him for saying it, but you want to be ignorant and accuse others of not showing evidence of Him calling Himself GOD!
To satisfy my curiosity, would you please kindly take a moment to describe your understanding of John 1:1, particularly the last phrase?
(I think you meant that you'd discuss in English terms the precise meaning imparted by the Koine for this thought which was translated rather ambiguously by the KJV translators. You don't want to discuss it in the original language, do you?)
yet you cannot deal with nor refute the clear scriptures that I sent. period.
Proof Jesus Claimed to be God
“I am the First and the Last. I am the Living One; I was dead, and behold I am alive for ever and ever!” (Rev.1:17–18).2
When Jesus came to Caesarea Philippi, He asked His disciples the mother of all questions, “Who do you say I am?” (Matt.16:15; Mark8:29; Luke9:20). Mormons answer this question by saying that Jesus is the spirit brother of Lucifer; Jehovah’s Witnesses answer by saying that Jesus is the archangel Michael; New Agers say Jesus is an avatar or enlightened messenger. Jesus, however, answered by claiming that He was God.
First, Jesus claimed to be the unique Son of God. As a result, the Jewish leaders tried to kill Him because in “calling God his own Father, [Jesus was] making himself equal with God” (John5:18). In John8:58 Jesus went so far as to use the very words by which God revealed Himself to Moses from the burning bush (Exod.3:14). To the Jews this was the epitome of blasphemy, for they knew that in doing so Jesus was clearly claiming to be God. On yet another occasion, Jesus explicitly told the Jews: “‘I and the Father are one.’ Again the Jews picked up stones to stone him, but Jesus said to them, ‘I have shown you many great miracles from the Father. For which of these do you stone me?’ ‘We are not stoning you for any of these,’ replied the Jews, ‘but for blasphemy, because you, a mere man, claim to be God’” (John10:30–33).
Furthermore, Jesus made an unmistakable claim to deity before the chief priests and the whole Sanhedrin. Caiaphas the high priest asked Him: “‘Are you the Christ, the Son of the Blessed One?’ ‘I am,’ said Jesus. ‘And you will see the Son of Man sitting at the right hand of the Mighty One and coming on the clouds of heaven’” (Mark14:61–62). A biblically illiterate person might well have missed the import of Jesus’ words. Caiaphas and the council, however, did not. They knew that in saying he was “the Son of Man” who would come “on the clouds of heaven” he was making an overt reference to the Son of Man in Daniel’s prophecy (Dan. 7:13–14). In doing so, He was not only claiming to be the preexistent Sovereign of the universe but prophesying that He would vindicate His claim by judging the very court that was now condemning Him. Moreover, by combining Daniel’s prophecy with David’s proclamation in Psalm 110, Jesus was claiming that He would sit upon the throne of Israel’s God and share God’s very glory. To students of the Old Testament this was the height of “blasphemy,” thus “they all condemned him as worthy of death” (Mark14:64–65).
Finally, Jesus claimed to possess the very attributes of God. For example, He claimed omniscience by telling Peter, “This very night, before the rooster crows, you will disown me three times” (Matt.26:34); declared omnipotence by not only resurrecting Lazarus (John11:43) but by raising Himself from the dead (John2:19); and professed omnipresence by promising that He would be with His disciples “to the very end of the age” (Matt.28:20). Not only so, but Jesus said to the paralytic in Luke5:20, “Friend, your sins are forgiven.” In doing so, He claimed a prerogative reserved for God alone. In addition, when Thomas worshiped Jesus saying “My Lord and my God!” (John20:28), Jesus responded with commendation rather than condemnation.
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you simply cannot deal with the scriptures I posted...that Jesus himself spoke. Period. End of debate..you are wrong and will not admit it.
Talk about being ignorant, you absolutely refuse to even read the proof you are wrong. Why are you afraid to read the truth? I post the scriptures and you refuse to read them and then claim I will not admit I am wrong.
What part of Christ saying He is God, “I AM” do you not understand?
Yes I wanted to debate him in the original Koine Greek the NT epistles were written in. What better way to prove he is clueless as to what was written in the original language, and thus clueless of what he is talking about.
See, nothing shuts up a heretic or cultist up quicker than to challenge them to a debate in the original language the Scriptures were written in.
It’s really funny when Jehovah’s Witnesses come around. I bring out my Hebrew/Greek/English Interlinear Bible out and they run away like a vampire being shown a cross.
It truly is funny to watch.
So yes, I challenged him to a debate in the original language for him to attempt to defend his lie. He obviously never responded to my challenge though.
See, English is such a difficult language to translate the actual meaning of Koine Greek words. Like the fact that there are four different words the Greek language used to describe the four different ways to use the word love, but we use the same word for all four meanings.
That is why it is so easy to confuse those who don’t even have a simple understanding of the Bible, let alone the original meaning of words. Cultists use false interpretations of the ancient language to fool unlearned people into believing lies. Most people look blankly and take their word for what they say.
Koine, is the most beautiful language ever spoken, and that is Why God came during that time. it was the best language to convey His message in. So I suggest all serious Bible studiers to learn it.
you take two words..that can be mistranslated..which also he did not mean that he was God...and dismiss all of the CLEAR scriptures that I sent. Ridiculous...what some Christians have made of Jesus!
The word "God" has three senses.
The first is as a name, which identifies an entity, an object or person.
The second is its use as a title, which refers to the function of that object or person.
The third is as a quality or substance of an object or person.
I believe that one of you is very confused as to the semantics of the word "God," and thus thinks others are confused when they use the word properly in a way he hasn't yet sorted out.
Let's compare this to a physical example, that of water, H2O:
(1) Liquid water = water = H2O
(2) Gaseous water = steam = H2O
(3) Solid water = ice = H2O
(4) Water is not steam; steam is not ice; ice is not water.
(5) Each entity has unique properties that are not interchangeable, their "titles" are different, their "names" are different, but all are of the same substance. All are forms of water.
(6) All may coexist at one unique time, temperature and pressure.
(7) In certain temperature/pressure regimes, any two may coexist, but the third may not be present.
(8) Under some conditions, all the water present must be in one form, where the other two are not permitted.
These are real, undebatable facts for a material substance that appears in three forms. But linguistically some of the terms are commonly (and sometimes confusedly) interchanged in written communications.
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I think that the Creation provides examples of behavior and language describing it that can help us understand the Creator of it. It does so throughout, especially in Proverbs. I think it is possible to apply this kind of consideration to examine concepts of the Persons of the Godhead, particularly when name(s) is/are confused with title(s), or quality(ies) with either.
(1) The quality of Divinity defines the Nature or Substance of The God, that is, Elohim, a uniplural Hebrew term.
(2) The Name "God" is applied to that Person in Whom the Divinity, the Nature, the Substance of God is invested.
(3) God = Father = Divinity
(4) Jesus = Son = Divinity
(5) Spirit = Holy Spirit/Ghost = Divinity
(6) The Father is not The Son; The Son is not The Holy Spirit; and The Holy Spiit is not The Father; but all are titled God and bear the Nature, Substance, and Quality of Divinity, of God.
(7) Each Person has mutually designated appearances, tasks, and functions. Only The Father saves. Only Jesus became Incarnate, died on the Cross, was resurrected from the dead ones, ascended into The Heaven, and offered His Incorruptible Blood upon the Mercy Seat of The Holy of Holies in Heaven as Eternal High Priest to obtain reconciliation with The Father. Only The Holy Spirit has the task of drawing the attention of human critters and the Creation to The Lord of Lords, the King of Kings, Jeaus The Anointed One/Messsiah/Savior.
In the sense Jesus explained to His disciples, The Holy Ghost, another Comforter as the same kind as the Lord and Master Jesus Christ, could only be sent to sustain His Body, individually and corporately, after Jesus' Ascension. But all sre God in Person, Substance, and function.
(8) These Persons are also One and United in intent, design, execution, and empowerment to carry out their plan for restoring this Creation and bringing Glory, Honor, and Majesty to Their Persons and Existence for all to see and acknowledge.
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Let's apply some maturity and common sense when discussing the nature of theology and its legitimate Persons, eh?
In John 1:1c, The Word (articular, a title of Jesus) is God (anarthrous, making it a nature or quality, not another Person or title of/in The Godhead). Jesus is God, Divinity.
For me, The Preincarnate Jesus is named Jehovah, has the titles of Son, Child; named Wonderful, Counselor, Mighty God, Everlasting Father, Prince of Peace, and is the Executor in function of Elohim/The God's Will. By preexisting agreement and division of functions.
It is He of Whom and about Whom the Holy Bible of Scriptures is written.
The purpose of the Bible is to communicate The God's plan for redeeming the Creation and His Children from the wreckage caused by the disobedience of Satan and our federal head, Adam.
The theme of the Bible is the Coming of The Messiah, The King, and His Kingdom of Righteousness and Peace, our Lord Jesus Christ.
Is He not God?
You are correct. Jesus was not sent to frighten us into submission. He could have done that, were He not God.
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