Pope Fiction?
Posted on 01/18/2015 8:33:58 AM PST by ADSUM
The Assumption of the Blessed Virgin Mary CUF
Issue: What does the Church teach concerning the Assumption of the Blessed Virgin Mary?
Response: The teaching is aptly summarized in the Catechism of the Catholic Church, no. 974:
The Most Blessed Virgin Mary, when the course of her earthly life was completed, was taken up [“assumed”] body and soul into the glory of heaven, where she already shares in the glory of her Son’s Resurrection, anticipating the resurrection of all members of His Body.
(Excerpt) Read more at cuf.org ...
The real Assumption is, since Mary’s body couldn’t be found after she died, she must have gone physically to heaven. That’s quite an assumption.
So THAT’S what happened to Jimmy Hoffa!!!
Do you believe the accounts of Elijah being assumed into heaven in a whirlwind?
Then why not the Blessed Virgin Mary?
What about Jimmy Hoffa?
Of course, He neglected to put it in His Word, thankfully He had the Catholics to make up some fake teaching from whole cloth to save God the embarrassment from missing it the first time.
You can't even show that the "traditions" the Catholic Church claims were actually the "traditions" the apostles were talking about.
The Catholic fiction of "tradition" is a joke.
What fresh new hell is this? First of all, if it contradicts Torah (which all marian doctrine does), it contradicts ALL. Secondly, if it contradicts Yeshua (which all marian doctrine does), it contradicts ALL. BOTH of these cannot be added to, nor taken from, by ANY authority whatsoever.
So the only person or persons who could have a problem with it would be anyone who demands that every Christian dogma be specifically in Scripture. Which is precisely what sola scripturists assure us is NOT “sola scriptura”. So anyone who objects to it yet insists on sola scriptura is a hypocrite
NONSENSE... utter nonsense. Sola-scriptura simply states that there is no authority that trumps the written word. Trying to end-run that with an argument from complete silence, relying upon psuedepigraphal documents (read forgeries) throws the door wide open. Virtually anything can be created out of whole cloth.
(unless they wish to explain why we should expect everything about Mary’s life be in Scripture when Scripture itself says everything about JESUS’ life isn’t in Scripture)
Propping up one absurdity with another, I see.
Because Elijah is in the Book. Mary is not. Fallacy.
And as we can see lately that "petrine authority" is taking them into the abyss.
“You shouldn’t call the teachings of the Catholic Church “fiction” if you can not prove it incorrect”
Easy enough. Where exactly in the Bible is the “assumption” of Mary mentioned even a single time?
Answer: it’s not. Therefore unless and until Jesus shows up and tells us differently, it’s fiction. Pure and simple.
Discredited on this thread: Perhaps in your mind. Why don’t you go ask the several leading Protestant, Lutheran, and Evangelical theologians, professors, and pastors who after a lifetime of research and teaching converted to Catholicism?
The so-called “Bible” Christian are an exotic species that several articles have been written about them essentially exposing these folks as low-IQ snake handlers. This was all spawned by the curse of the reformation. Some serious reading might help.
Go read Hillaire Belloc’s “The Great Heresies.”
The Bible was put together by the early Church fathers. They got their authority not out of thin air but from the apostolic tradition handed to Peter and his successors. They included some parts of the Judaic texts but not all. After decades of research by the use of Petrine authority we have the definitive Bible.
Catholics have a Catechism and a Credo for all times and for all ages. Not the silly cracking opening of the pages of the Bible and have Billy Graham or Rev. Schuller or Joe Osteen spout their vapid “preaching” or the lunacy of Rev. Wright, the Moonies, Mormons, or some of the corner street Foursquare church pastors.
Why go far: we have mainline Protestant denominations now “ordaining” married gay and lesbian pastors. What a joke!
What all the heretics have in common is the denial of Petrine authority.
For a brief history of the Apostolic Tradition
Try reading
http://www.catholic.com/tracts/apostolic-tradition
Pope Fiction?
Not all Protestant denominations are the same, nor can they all be lumped together. You are right that SOME Protestant churches are ordaining gay and lesbian pastors, much to the dismay of many of the rest of us..... why are you not also so demeaning of Rome, who ordains gay priests and then sometimes covers up for them when they molest children?
Your own apologists admit you cannot find the immaculate conception in the Bible nor in tradition. Yet catholics continue to cling to their indoctrination on this issue. Why?
Because if the rcc backed off this "teaching" and admitted they were wrong, any credibility they might have is gone. Also, Mary's big money for the rcc. Not gonna give up that gravy train any time soon.
The so-called “Bible” Christian are an exotic species that several articles have been written about them essentially exposing these folks as low-IQ snake handlers. This was all spawned by the curse of the reformation. Some serious reading might help.
Is this really the best you've got to offer as a catholic attempting to defend your cult?? This is more in line of a 4th grade playground remark.
There have been people on this board claiming to be in the priesthood who made claims that protestants kill their children at Christmas. Really?
Go read Hillaire Belloc’s “The Great Heresies.”
I'll stick with the Word.
The Bible was put together by the early Church fathers. They got their authority not out of thin air but from the apostolic tradition handed to Peter and his successors. They included some parts of the Judaic texts but not all. After decades of research by the use of Petrine authority we have the definitive Bible.
That you continue to proceed from a false position does not surprise me. You are aware the ECFs were all over the board on the issues the rcc claims are from the ECFs? You are aware the rcc is in violation of its own teachings regarding the unanimous agreement of the ECFs and not contradicting the Word? Who were these ECFs who put the Word together for us? Need names, dates and places. Sure sounds as if you totally discount the involvement of the Holy Spirit in this process.
Catholics have a Catechism and a Credo for all times and for all ages. Not the silly cracking opening of the pages of the Bible and have Billy Graham or Rev. Schuller or Joe Osteen spout their vapid “preaching” or the lunacy of Rev. Wright, the Moonies, Mormons, or some of the corner street Foursquare church pastors.
Islam has the hadiths....Mormons have the Book of Mormon...and catholics have the ccc. (BTW...that ccc keeps on changing doesn't it! It also has some very interesting passages about catholics and muslims worshipping the same god.) That's good company you guys are keeping.
Christians meanwhile, have the Bible. It's an amazingly clear book if you read it.
Why go far: we have mainline Protestant denominations now “ordaining” married gay and lesbian pastors. What a joke!
On this I cannot disagree. These have clearly fallen away from the Word. They're catching up with the rcc though on falling away from the Word....see the immaculate conception.
But then again, the rcc does have its fair share of terrible popes, priests, bishops, etc. Do we really have to post the list of the terrible popes and their false teachings?
Do we really have to point out that pope urban ii promised salvation and forgiveness of sins for those who died in battle during the Crusades? BTW...that's not supported in Scripture.
Do we have to talk about the pedophilia in the rcc? Sometimes it sounds like penn state!
And we are all aware that all catholics are very, very proud of Frances....right? I mean, his brand of the social gospel and socialism sure is appealing to many I'm sure. Not very Biblical, but what's that among friends. Right?
What all the heretics have in common is the denial of Petrine authority.
Sorry, it's the rcc that ignores its claim to "tradition" on this issue as shown time and time again on this board. You are aware the ECFs were not in 100% agreement on Petrine authority.....right? I mean, you've read what they written....right? Or, are you just regurgitating catholic talking points from a website?
Your commebt: Answer: it’s not. Therefore unless and until Jesus shows up and tells us differently, it’s fiction. Pure and simple.
I would like to be there when and if you get a chance to meet Jesus or the Blessed Mother.
You (and others) are the ones that creates fiction by ignoring the teachings of Christ and His Church.
You still haven’t shown that what the Catholic Church teaches as tradition is exactly what the apostles taught as tradition. What’s up with that? Nor have you shown proof that the apostles taught the assumption of Mary.
“Christ and His Church.”
“His” Church and the Catholic Church are two entirely different things.
I had the same thought. lol.
You realize that the Catholic Church teachings are protected from error by the Holy Spirit.
I hope that you realize that the Catholic Church was formed before the New Testament was written, and it was written by Catholics who were followers of Jesus Christ.
Please read and understand the Bible correctly and if you need help please ask a priest or knowledgeable Catholic.
Yes the Catholic Church welcomes sinners (and we certainly have many) and its goal is lead everyone to love God and our neighbors in order for everyone to gain Heaven with God.
No you are in error.
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