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The Neverending Story (The Christian Chronicles)
Associated Press ^ | 3/24/01

Posted on 03/30/2002 7:53:37 PM PST by malakhi

The Neverending Story
An ongoing debate on Scripture, Tradition, History and Interpretation.


Statesmen may plan and speculate for liberty, but it is religion and morality alone which can establish the principles upon which freedom can securely stand. The only foundation of a free constitution is pure virtue. - John Adams

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To: angelo
ROFLOL, too funny:)

Becky

1,981 posted on 04/08/2002 8:56:47 AM PDT by PayNoAttentionManBehindCurtain
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To: PayNoAttentionManBehindCurtain
Love is what we expect from Mary and the other saints. It is what flows in superabundance from her Son, her redeemer and ours.
1,982 posted on 04/08/2002 8:57:16 AM PDT by RobbyS
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To: Invincibly Ignorant
Please refrain from feeding me these straight lines. :-)

Hide not your talents, they for use were made: "What's a sun dial in the shade?"

But aim your arrows not at poor little old me. :)

BigMack

1,983 posted on 04/08/2002 8:58:47 AM PDT by PayNoAttentionManBehindCurtain
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To: Robby, PayNoAttentionManBehindCurtain
Your two sentences have no connection with each other.

Mack is this a red herring?

Or smoke and mirrors?

Becky

1,984 posted on 04/08/2002 9:00:37 AM PDT by PayNoAttentionManBehindCurtain
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To: PayNoAttentionManBehindCurtain
You talking to yourself again Sybil?
1,985 posted on 04/08/2002 9:02:27 AM PDT by IMRight
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To: All
Thank you all for your prayers for my family. Everyone is doing fine. My wife is scared to drive and the kids are scared to ride with her (they call her "crash"), but I'm going to make them drive around the block together tonight.

We were at the ER being checked out and it was around 11:00pm (we were there since 5:30pm) and Jacob, my 5-year old, was arguing with his 11 year-old sister. I guess he had had enough because he said to her, "Oh yeah? Well you're an airbag face." It was actually pretty funny, but I couldn't laugh too much with Elizabeth right there.

One other humurous thing from that generally unhumurous night: When my daughter saw a reflection of her face she saw all her bruises and scratches. She noticed both of her lips were fat now and she said, "Oh great, now I have Julia Roberts lips." ;^)

-Kevin

1,986 posted on 04/08/2002 9:02:28 AM PDT by ksen
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To: PayNoAttentionManBehindCurtain
Mack is this a red herring?

Or smoke and mirrors?

All the above. :)

BigMack

1,987 posted on 04/08/2002 9:06:50 AM PDT by PayNoAttentionManBehindCurtain
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To: PayNoAttentionManBehindCurtain
Is that cable or DSL and whats the cost?

Its beyond cable or DSL. T1 has the advantage of not needing to be within a certain distance of the phone company's central station. A T1 is equivalent to 24 copper pair lines. What we have is actually a fractional T1. We are using the equivalent of half of a full T1, or 768kb. The cost is $675/month. We opened a new office in Green Bay last month, and we need the extra bandwidth because they are accessing our database through the internet (our Oshkosh office, which is closer, uses a point-to-point T1). In addition, we have the call center for the other company which is using the new connection to access servers in Detroit.

My ability to use it for personal web browsing is just a bonus!

1,988 posted on 04/08/2002 9:11:47 AM PDT by malakhi
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To: Invincibly Ignorant
I guess I underestimated the Stars against the Avs the other night, eh? But then they turn around and dump a game to the Ducks. Somehow, they still have a chance. Beating LA tonight is crucial, though.
1,989 posted on 04/08/2002 9:11:52 AM PDT by al_c
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To: PayNoAttentionManBehindCurtain
Well come on and respond already, you should be able to be faster than that now. :)

Hey, it doesn't do my work for me, or make me type any faster! ;o)

1,990 posted on 04/08/2002 9:12:39 AM PDT by malakhi
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To: al_c
I guess I underestimated the Stars against the Avs the other night, eh? But then they turn around and dump a game to the Ducks. Somehow, they still have a chance. Beating LA tonight is crucial, though.

We get Forsberg and Heduk back next week. And then things will be back to normal.

1,991 posted on 04/08/2002 9:34:19 AM PDT by Invincibly Ignorant
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To: american colleen
So I guess St. Ignatius of Antioch and St. Polycarp of Smyrna were bullies? Their writings (@ 150 or so AD) were the first we have in Christian writings referring to the Church as the "[c]atholic" Church.

First of all, that's a little c, hon. Second of all, You might as well say x and y's writings because nobody knows who wrote that stuff. So, you're making a non point from no authority.

1,992 posted on 04/08/2002 9:36:48 AM PDT by Havoc
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To: Wordsmith
. IMO, it dripped with pride - "look at me, victorious on the field of debate." If you want to equate this with the examples above, so be it.

Pride, LOL. The first bullet of the persecuted is the charge of your intent - always looks worst when you're caught and without cover. Amazing. Pride at what? Shutting you up? Your absence? Silence isn't victory. And I'm already victorious, I don't need anything from you or anyone else here to confirm that. Nor do I have any need to be prideful about it as if there were anything for any of us to be prideful about where scripture is concerned. Some of us think about things other than what someone else might think about us personally....

1,993 posted on 04/08/2002 9:45:16 AM PDT by Havoc
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To: Havoc
... nobody knows who wrote that stuff. Oh, and who wrote Matthew, Mark, Luke-Acts , John, Hebrews etc?
1,994 posted on 04/08/2002 9:48:14 AM PDT by RobbyS
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To: angelo
just received this in an e-mail from a friend of mine. The Latest Church Bulletin Errors

lol...thanks angelo, I read those at lunch and now everyone thinks I'm an idiot for snorting and laughing so much...

1,995 posted on 04/08/2002 9:48:36 AM PDT by DouglasKC
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To: ksen
Thank God it was something to put in the family scrapebook and laugh about later. I hope the insurance problems have been worked out as well.
1,996 posted on 04/08/2002 9:51:28 AM PDT by RobbyS
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To: RobbyS
Doesn't this response show and incredible amount of faith, bsides being more smoke and mirrors.

Becky

1,997 posted on 04/08/2002 9:52:14 AM PDT by PayNoAttentionManBehindCurtain
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To: IMRight;american colleen
I'm a little puzzled as to why Mary is referred to as your "Queen"
It has confused me in the past as well.
...doesn't the use of the term indicate that you believe your are subject of Mary's, that Mary is your ruler?
Only if you believe that the King is dead.

Now I'm really confused. What does Mary being Queen have to do with Elvis being dead??

1,998 posted on 04/08/2002 9:54:13 AM PDT by DouglasKC
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To: nate4one
Thought you might find this interesting:

Joseph Farah: World Net Daily

In the Six-Day War, Israel captured Judea, Samaria and East Jerusalem. But they didn't capture these territories from Yasser Arafat. They captured them from Jordan's King Hussein. I can't help but wonder why all these Palestinians suddenly discovered their national identity after Israel won the war.

The truth is that Palestine is no more real than Never-Never Land. The first time the name was used was in 70 A.D. when the Romans committed genocide against the Jews, smashed the Temple and declared the land of Israel would be no more. From then on, the Romans promised, it would be known as Palestine. The name was derived from the Philistines, a Goliathian people conquered by the Jews centuries earlier. It was a way for the Romans to add insult to injury. They also tried to change the name of Jerusalem to Aelia Capitolina, but that had even less staying power.

Palestine has never existed -- before or since -- as an autonomous entity. It was ruled alternately by Rome, by Islamic and Christian crusaders, by the Ottoman Empire and, briefly, by the British after World War I. The British agreed to restore at least part of the land to the Jewish people as their homeland.

There is no language known as Palestinian. There is no distinct Palestinian culture. There has never been a land known as Palestine governed by Palestinians. Palestinians are Arabs, indistinguishable from Jordanians (another recent invention), Syrians, Lebanese, Iraqis, etc. Keep in mind that the Arabs control 99.9 percent of the Middle East lands. Israel represents one-tenth of 1 percent of the landmass.

But that's too much for the Arabs. They want it all. And that is ultimately what the fighting in Israel is about today. Greed. Pride. Envy. Covetousness. No matter how many land concessions the Israelis make, it will never be enough.

What about Islam's holy sites? There are none in Jerusalem.

Shocked? You should be. I don't expect you will ever hear this brutal truth from anyone else in the international media. It's just not politically correct.

I know what you're going to say: "Farah, the Al Aqsa Mosque and the Dome of the Rock in Jerusalem represent Islam's third most holy sites."

Not true. In fact, the Koran says nothing about Jerusalem. It mentions Mecca hundreds of times. It mentions Medina countless times. It never mentions Jerusalem. With good reason. There is no historical evidence to suggest Mohammed ever visited Jerusalem.

So how did Jerusalem become the third holiest site of Islam? Muslims today cite a vague passage in the Koran, the seventeenth Sura, entitled "The Night Journey." It relates that in a dream or a vision Mohammed was carried by night "from the sacred temple to the temple that is most remote, whose precinct we have blessed, that we might show him our signs. ..." In the seventh century, some Muslims identified the two temples mentioned in this verse as being in Mecca and Jerusalem. And that's as close as Islam's connection with Jerusalem gets -- myth, fantasy, wishful thinking. Meanwhile, Jews can trace their roots in Jerusalem back to the days of Abraham.

The latest round of violence in Israel erupted when Likud Party leader Ariel Sharon tried to visit the Temple Mount, the foundation of the Temple built by Solomon. It is the holiest site for Jews. Sharon and his entourage were met with stones and threats. I know what it's like. I've been there. Can you imagine what it is like for Jews to be threatened, stoned and physically kept out of the holiest site in Judaism?

So what's the solution to the Middle East mayhem? Well, frankly, I don't think there is a man-made solution to the violence. But, if there is one, it needs to begin with truth. Pretending will only lead to more chaos. Treating a 5,000-year-old birthright backed by overwhelming historical and archaeological evidence equally with illegitimate claims, wishes and wants gives diplomacy and peacekeeping a bad name.

1,999 posted on 04/08/2002 9:58:10 AM PDT by malakhi
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To: american colleen
Now I know someone will trot out the Biblical passage from Deuteronomy regarding "necromancy" - and I'd say that there is quite a bit of a difference between holding a seance and asking a departed brother in Christ to pray for us.

Right, this is where you consider your opinion of greater worth than God's Word. And necromancy is not the only basis upon which communion was denied, Seers and diviners would talk directly to the dead (or would try anyway), and still to this day put up that appearance. And God put forth the Question even in that time 'Why do they go to the dead for that which they can come to me.' The same question I would put to you. Why do you try making more than the one mediator that you are allowed? Why do you pray to others instead of God? Why do you seek anwers from the dead who cannot answer you instead of from God who can?! And why do you break God's laws and commandments to do so?

2,000 posted on 04/08/2002 9:59:39 AM PDT by Havoc
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