Posted on 09/24/2001 11:49:13 AM PDT by malakhi
| "I have seen in the last week much ugly use of religion for chest thumping and blaming 'ragheads' and even blaming our decadence for the events of the last week. I would rather that we continue here, respectful of our unity in citizenship, in displaying how religion can be talked about without veering off into ugliness." (SoothingDave, 9/19/01) |
The Neverending Story (The Christian Chronicles) -- Thread 146
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SD
Thanks PaxMacian, just think, if those of the Islam faith could come on these threads and discuss religion with us as we do each other, there may not have been a bombing of the twin towers.:-)
U.S. government has assured John Paul II it will not invade Afghanistan or any Central Asian country before or during the papal trip to Kazakhstan and Armenia, the magazine Inside the Vatican reported. The Pope visit Kazakhstan Sept. 22-25
SD
If you would not trust a Catholic's interpretation of "Bible Christianity" or a Bible Christian's version of Catholicism; then keep in mind that a Muslim would surely find this treatment suspect.
SD
Matthew 23
8 But be not ye called Rabbi: for one is your Master, even Christ; and all ye are brethren.
9 And call no man your father upon the earth: for one is your Father, which is in heaven.
10 Neither be ye called masters: for one is your Master, even Christ.
In plain English, it is the belief that the Son preexisted the creation of the universe, and existed with the Father from eternity.
Assuming, of course, that this is an accurate, historical record of what happened, and not a later resurrection tradition. You think this is literal reporting; I think it is midrash.
How was He then begotten on a specific day?
Hebrews 1
4 Being made so much better than the angels, as he hath by inheritance obtained a more excellent name than they.
5 For unto which of the angels said he at any time, Thou art my Son, this day have I begotten thee? And again, I will be to him a Father, and he shall be to me a Son?
6 And again, when he bringeth in the first begotten into the world, he saith, And let all the angels of God worship him.
Hebrews 1
5 For unto which of the angels said he at any time, Thou art my Son, this day have I begotten thee? And again, I will be to him a Father, and he shall be to me a Son?
This is saying what the Father never said to any of the angels. Not necessarily what the Father did say to the Son at some particular "time" or "day." The Son is begotten of the Father, meaning they are the same type. Meaning the Son is not created. I can create electricity or spaghetti sauce, but they are not the same as me. I can only beget a human, the same as me.
God can create anything, but he can only beget God. Ergo the Son is God.
At no time (as we know it) did the Son not exist. In the beginning was the Word and the Word was with God and the Word was God. While being begotten, the Son has no beginning. He exists from all time. He is eternal, as God it would make no sense any other way. Hence the Son is eternally begotten of the Father.
SD
It does not imply that He begat the Son on a specific day.
However, Jesus Christ the man was begotten on a specific day - the Annunciation.
6 Yet have I set my king upon my holy hill of Zion.
7 I will declare the decree: the LORD hath said unto me, Thou art my Son; this day have I begotten thee.
8 Ask of me, and I shall give thee the heathen for thine inheritance, and the uttermost parts of the earth for thy possession.
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