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  • Internet outage - Comm alternatives Emergency updates, FR contingency ham email & shortwave news

    10/22/2016 12:04:13 AM PDT · 94 of 193
    Apogee to Apogee; MarchonDC09122009

    Don’t know if I have explained well what I am trying to ask.
    Is it feasible to create a wireless phone to phone network which could bypass down nodes?
    I suppose it would not be desirable when the world is running well and doing so would interfere with the carriers, but in a post apocalyptic scenario would it be something to look into?

  • Internet outage - Comm alternatives Emergency updates, FR contingency ham email & shortwave news

    10/21/2016 11:57:59 PM PDT · 93 of 193
    Apogee to whodathunkit

    Mesh networking via wi-fi. I believe this saw use during Hurricane Sandy.
    What I want to know is whether one can mesh network with the data radio in our phones.
    We all have several radios on hand that send and receive packets over a much longer distance than any of the “long range” radios I have seen at the box stores - 32 miles? you have got to be kidding even the FRS radios I have picked up rarely go a mile in my territory - why not cut out the tower altogether.
    Can a peer to peer network be established amongst millions of smart phone owners? I realize that different providers transmit on different frequencies and there would need to be some bridge between CDMA and GSM users that might be a point of vulnerabililty, but IF it could be done, I would think it would be difficult to shut down.

  • Third Wave Of Internet Cyber Attacks Lauched, Dyn Warns

    10/21/2016 11:33:54 PM PDT · 40 of 46
    Apogee to dynachrome

    Was it a warning or coded marching orders?

    Been thinking/saying for a long time that certain persons would not rest happily until we have been nuked.
    Little concerned that Someone trotted out info during the debates which could be considered permissive, as well.

  • Jeff Roe: Cruz Ending GOP Presidential Campaign

    05/03/2016 11:00:51 PM PDT · 206 of 243
    Apogee to cherry; Haiku Guy

    “openly confessed to not voting fro Romney and from that time on, I’ve understood just how selfish and petty some freepers are...”

    There was no pettiness or spite in my decision not to vote for that man. It was a long thought out process. The die seems to be cast for our nation. Put yourself back in 2012, and look 20 years into the future of our country after installing a man who as the chief executive of a state appointed liberal judges, was pro-choice, anti-gun, and pro gay marriage... and Republican.
    Yes, we would perhaps have proceeded down this road more slowly, but is that necessarily better? The surveillance state only grows stronger with each passing year, with the ability of the people to mount a successful resistance to a totalitarian state diminishing in proportion to its growth. Another full generation of students goes through the socialist indoctrination regime and fails not only to have the means to defend itself, but the intellectual capacity to understand it needs to do so, and so forth...
    Not only that, but I have no desire to delay a confrontation if it comes to the point where my children or grandchildren have to fight it for me because I am too feeble to fight it for them.

    Kicking the can down the road to maintain a false sense of status quo seemed to me the equivalent of removing one of the foundational requirements of just war: that there be a reasonable chance of success.
    The lesser of two evils, then, lay not in choosing the establishment candidate over the Democrat one, but in choosing to sacrifice short term comfort and stability for a hoped for longer term goal of being able to identify and resist an encroaching tyranny.
    Some things seem to have borne this out as a workable hypothesis. State legislatures are learning to flex their muscles because they have no choice. They may be the “lesser magistrate” of Reformational political discourse, to stand between us and the national despot. According to a PEW research study referenced on this site a few days ago, the percentages of people who are identified as mostly conservative or consistently conservative (no, I didn’t delve into it deeply enough to see what they mean by the terms) from all walks of life or levels of education are on the rebound from just over a decade ago. The NRA’s MVP in Washington has probably given us the highest percentage of firearms ownership ever, and we’ve imported enough lead to possibly shift the North American plate.

    None of this is to say that I preferred the current president over Romney. I believe the choice presented by people who phrase it that way is somewhat akin to the fallacy of the excluded middle. I chose to abstain in hope of opportunity for liberty, even while dreading the near term possibilities.

    Also, none of the things I mentioned can save us from ourselves. We could become Kosovo on an exponential scale, and I believe that is the goal of at least some in positions of power. What we need is a Third Great Awakening if we are to have any hope of surviving as a nation.

    I do not believe any particular candidate at this point will be our salvation or destruction. I am in fact pessimistic enough to believe that the sea change of the 2012 elections and their aftermath make this year’s choice less important in the long term direction of our nation - though I am willing or even wishing to be wrong on this, so I am trying to have an open mind on the current front runner. At least I don’t know that he can be as bad as some fear him to be.

    No, I didn’t vote for the opposition in 2012 by writing in my preferred candidate, the GOP did, by refusing to back someone who would actually be against big government and for the liberty of the people. They are still doing it, and I have good cause to believe they always will, because they are not for the liberty of the people.

    H G - I pinged you in reference to your post 167:

    “...just as Romney and McCain were both infinitely better than Obama. Supporting the Republican nominee is almost always a no-brainer”

    rather than respond to it separately with essentially the same drivel. I freely admit at this point of night my writing and reasoning skills are suspect, but I might happen to agree with that last sentence, depending on which way you choose to interpret it.

  • 'Monstrous interference': UK pols furious at Obama's plan to intervene in EU debate

    04/22/2016 7:43:09 AM PDT · 9 of 24
    Apogee to mandaladon

    It’s only been a matter of time until our allies realized that the man who dares tell leaders of other nations to step down on a regular basis would interfere in their own sovereign affairs, too.
    It will be a wonder if we have any friends left in this world by the time this man leaves office.

    Sometimes I think it will be a wonder if we are left in this world.

  • Ben and Jerry’s cofounders arrested at Capitol protest

    04/19/2016 10:37:29 AM PDT · 70 of 74
    Apogee to DesertRhino


    Our free speech zone should be from sea to shining sea, not restricted to postage stamps of land that have to be reserved in advance.

  • Let's Settle This: Debate Suggested Over GOP Primary, Caucus & Convention System and Rules

    04/15/2016 10:08:26 PM PDT · 27 of 90
    Apogee to XEHRpa

    Good points there,

    Somehow, members of both parties are forgetting that our system is not a democracy. We choose delegates, whom we theoretically know, and whose judgment we theoretically trust, and they in turn choose other delegates/candidates/laws acting in our stead.
    A great deal of the whining on both sides of the aisle (and camps within each side, seems to be due to a lack of understanding of this principle. I would dare wonder if the principle itself has been the object of assault, and to what end.
    That said, the parties would do well to reflect on the fact that if their decisions don’t reflect the perceived will of their constituents they had best have a very good and articulable reason for differing, or all sorts of mayhem may break loose.

  • Last Chance for America?

    03/01/2016 1:02:29 AM PST · 89 of 131
    Apogee to Vision Thing

    “American revolution and French revolution don’t even come close to describing it. Those revolutions were limited to individual nations.”

    I am not sure I agree entirely. They are both seminal revolutions in thought, not merely on a national, physical scale.

    One was a revolution for individual liberty under limited government which became an ideal people have sought to emulate the world over from that time (with varying degrees of understanding and success); the other spoke of liberty, but was ultimately a revolution for statism. The communist revolutions owe much to the latter, little or nothing to the former.

    They ultimately define two conflicting world views which are fighting worldwide today. We probably ought to assess Islam as a third sort of revolution in the mix.

    What I take you to mean by nationalist may fit with what I mean by a strong limited government allowing maximum individual liberty, but it is a loaded term, and can be easily turned into the exact opposite of that.

    A better spectrum is that between anarchy and totalitarianism. There was an unfortunate Conservative Treehouse essay posted here the other day that equated anarchy with right wing and totalitarianism with left wing, which got me started on this train of thought, btw. Nice guys, I am sure...

    Back to the discussion - both ends are injust. Our republic tried to balance the competing interests to preserve the inalienable rights of as many people as possible. Modern man has learned to tweak the system a good bit, mostly by de-educating us, to rob us of that liberty.

    You are right in one aspect about the ballgame now: the contest between the nationalists and globalists could have the same results for the entire world as it did for Poland in 1939.


    On another tangent - perhaps another distinction for the direction that the concentration of power is taking is that of the corporation (an aspect of your globalism?) versus the nation state.
    A lot of Sci-Fi from a while back posited that Corporations would be the entities that took man to space, and warred with one another, etc. Those authors probably put some thought into this.
    In light of this thought - does it make sense to champion the idea of electing someone who is not beholden to the “corporate interests”* by choosing the head of a corporation?

    But I am now four hours less sleep than I should have had. Have a good day.

    *Ahh, how the mighty have fallen. Did we ever dream that “conservatives” would sit around arguing over “crony capitalism” and “corporate interests” or any of a slew of ivy league trustafarian terms, Ike and his military industrial complex notwithstanding...

  • Last Chance for America?

    03/01/2016 12:00:18 AM PST · 74 of 131
    Apogee to MNJohnnie

    “the Chinese model, a nationalism that that looks inward, not externally”

    And that is why the Spratleys are such a paradise of love and peace and brotherhood.


  • Last Chance for America?

    02/29/2016 11:55:48 PM PST · 72 of 131
    Apogee to sargon

    “Hey National Review: the Revolution is on! Didn’t you get the memo?”

    And of all the posts I have read tonight, it is this one that coalesces my concerns in the best fashion.
    What Revolution do you seek - one after the French one, or the American one?

    To the best of my understanding, the terms “left” and right” as applied to political leanings, are constructs of the French revolution. Having conservatives called “right wing” as they are has really been useful construct for progressives by creating a conflation of issues and terms that we should oppose as both wings are elements of the same revolutionary party or ideology.
    It is useful for those who want to say Hitler=Right Wing=Conservative, but until perhaps recently, an entirely untrue analogy, propping up a conservative boogie straw man.

    I say until recently because unchecked populism probably qualifies for the contemporary use of term “right wing” quite well, but is hardly “conservatism.”

    We have been misled into thinking of the political spectrum ranging from left to right with the extremes meeting in the middle of the backside of the circle. Left off the line entirely is an actual position which can be labeled liberty, and we are thus distracted into fighting tooth and nail over positions that will not accomplish liberty in the end.

    Is a national socialist a right winger and an international socialist a left winger? They are both socialists, and ultimately enemical to freedom. (Note bene: I am not specifically declaring any candidate to be one or the other, you can contemplate the apparent choice before us for yourself).

    Trump may be end up being the leader for a battle or so that we want and need won, but I am not sure that even winning those battles - if we do - will win the theater. This is where I differ with those who champion action over ideology. Proper ideology without action is worthless, but action without ideology ultimately leads nowhere useful.

    I fear that if the Revolution is now, it will be of the French sort, with its attendant chaos and death not far off. Do you think only conservatives have guns, as many do? Of course not. But to be honest, all those left wingers who don’t have (their own) guns probably properly anticipate us killing each other off and leaving them the spoils. We are busy taking shots at one another here already: “the wall first!” “immigrants!” “the second amendment!...the first!... the tenth!...” Every one of these is important, vital even, but still symptomatic of something else altogether.

    I think we are past the point of no return, barring another Great Awakening, and perhaps even with one, on the road to a great cataclysm. The question I see before us in this election is how it will go down, and will we be considered just in our attempts to right it.

    John Quincy Adams differentiated between the American and French Revolutions not as right and left, but “Right and Wrong”

    This is not a call to “trust us just one more time.” I have not trusted them since shortly after the Contract with America. It is a call to think beyond sentiment and uncalculating reaction. You might even say it is a call for a revolution, as I am confident that even if she who will not be named became president, or a runaway convention of the states, or the Supreme Court declared the Second Amendment dead that We the People would at last be forced to say NO! [aside: I took an oath once...]

    But I want the right Revolution.

  • Fox News accidentally reports Donald Trump as the winner in New Hampshire

    02/09/2016 9:07:53 PM PST · 69 of 69
    Apogee to usafa92

    I seem to recall channel flipping all through election night 2000, and Fox declaring Gore the winner with something like 18% of precincts reporting.

    Never thought much of their reputation in certain quarters.

  • Islamic town presentations

    01/14/2016 8:52:40 PM PST · 25 of 35
    Apogee to Capt. Tom

    There has been a concerted effort to rewrite history since the early nineties, at least.
    Perhaps the ROP folks decided that they had better start not looking like our enemy once the Iron Curtain collapsed... /s
    Sometime back then, the UMC had a series of programs on other religions which were apparently not meant to be used for compare and contrast exercises, or for exposing differences, but as vehicles for proponents of the different faiths to essentially proselytize us.
    The one I saw on Islam was a complete rewrite of its spread even then. Absolutely full of falsehoods, and the nice Methodists ate it all up, of course.
    Since then, college curricula have morphed to the point of unrecognizability concerning the subject, and high school students are encouraged to write papers about how victimized and persecuted the misunderstood Muslim is in our country, and now younger students are pressured into reciting their prayers.

    People really need to understand that peace does not mean to a Muslim what it supposedly means to us (any more than we mean what a Russian means when he says it). Words don’t matter, definitions do.

  • I stopped reading white male authors last year. Here's what I learned.

    01/05/2016 9:21:55 AM PST · 54 of 63
    Apogee to RightGeek; Admin Moderator

    While the general concept is humorous, it probably fails to live up to FR’s request to refrain from posts that are “otherwise inappropriate for a conservative family audience” on a variety of points, not least one of the items actually depicted.
    Not trying to be posting police here, perhaps you did not notice all the little details that make me bring this up.
    Thank you,

  • Greenfield: Trump, Dictatorship and Competing With An Illiberal Left

    12/26/2015 3:05:47 PM PST · 37 of 50
    Apogee to wita

    Principle is always applicable.

    If some party sees we mean that, we may have a chance. If not, we never will.

    Instead, we will allow, indeed be a part of, the steady dissolution of our rights and ability to defend them, to the point that we will not be able to do so.

    Look where allowing the enemy to grow in numbers, finances, weaponry, and propaganda has gotten us with ISIS. Why do that with “progressives” when the sooner the issue is forced, the better our position is likely to be?

  • Greenfield: Trump, Dictatorship and Competing With An Illiberal Left

    12/26/2015 2:58:24 PM PST · 36 of 50
    Apogee to MarMema

    Mrs Clinton is not the worst thing that can happen. The scenario you present is the only line in the sand that most Americans will not allow to be crossed, we argue and fret over all other possible ones to the point that we do nothing.

    The people who wish for the destruction of this country were very shrewd in pushing our current President over her, because they knew that the woman or womyn voting block was not monolithic enough to ignore her politics should it be judged necessary to remove her through any means whatsoever (the gamut running from Johnson to Nixson to Kennedy). As it is, he has done more damage to our rule of law, infrastructure, military, industry... than any deposed president ever dreamed of, but the merest peep against him threatens to divide the nation on grounds other than ideology.
    We have been paralyzed by the fear of the destruction that would ensue by either choosing to allow him to push his agenda, or choosing to stop it - a much worse outcome than the “Stop Hillary Express” or “Operation Chaos” folks contemplated. For my additional two cents worth, lawfully removing him at this point is probably less destruction than allowing him to remain, if it is not too late.

    Romney would have merely moved (and assisted) the start date of an inevitable conflict to the next generation, which would be less likely to succeed than ours, if it even noticed something was wrong.

    Shocked as I have been in some ways at the rapidity of change in the last seven years, I still stand behind my not voting for him. Doing so would have been kicking the can down the road to my children, while allowing their every chance of defense to be destroyed along the way.

  • Federalism: The Missing Issue; This is the Most Important Issue Nobody Talks About.

    09/18/2015 3:36:21 PM PDT · 9 of 11
    Apogee to relictele

    Hey, did you say X and Y, as in XY? Isn’t that sexist of you? Don’t you know if we start putting XX and XY on public restroom doors people will start demanding gene samples prior to entry?

    (actually, just wanted to compliment your tagline, not advocate for xylbgtpdq doors :)

  • You May Not Be Interested In a Clash of Civilizations, But A Clash of Civilizations Is Interested

    09/18/2015 3:07:53 PM PDT · 6 of 6
    Apogee to antidisestablishment

    Thank you,

  • Todd Starnes: Guess Which ABC Show Will Feature Full Frontal Nudity?

    09/18/2015 10:13:13 AM PDT · 27 of 30
    Apogee to crusty old prospector

    Back when I had a cassette player. Yes. Mileage varied (no pun intended?) depending on the episode and the kid. Some were a little tense for some children. But we enjoyed them.

    Now we try to stream or capture a lot of the Lamplighter series and some Moody book adaptations for the car.

    We have found that some other (no names mentioned again) programs we listened to in the car contributed to raucous youngsters potentially distracting the driver (who otherwise enjoyed some of those audio episodes as well).

    I like the graceplace kids because they are gentle, compassionate, and always joyfully pointing to the simplest truths of the Gospel. (They have gone out of their way to avoid any “controversial” or sectarian doctrines as far as I can tell).

    Another tv show we used to get over the air was “Janice’s Attic” - imagine a female, Seventh Day Adventist (though that only showed in her plain dress and her emphasis on healthy eating), Fred Rogers.

    Ok - I am all done hijacking the thread, but thought it was an opportunity to perhaps advertise some neat puppets to people who probably never heard of them, and maybe help the producers (with whom I have no affiliation) have some exposure.

  • Connecticut Homeowners Fight to Prevent City Taking Their Homes for Redevelopment Emminent domain

    09/18/2015 9:45:42 AM PDT · 32 of 33
    Apogee to Amendment10

    I have always had a problem with that interpretation of states’ versus federal powers and incorporation (Barron notwithstanding).

    The rights listed in the Bill of Rights are individual rights, and no more granted by state constitutions than by the federal one.

    In a bit of a converse of the 10th Amendment, “The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States respectively, or to the people,” the first explicitly prohibits Congress from making certain laws, leaving room to interpret that such power is not prohibited to the states.

    The rest of the amendments refer to “the people:”

    Under what conception of government in 1789 would a person have assumed a general police and judicial power of the federal government to be involved in the execution of warrants, searches and seizures, suits at common law, and the like?

    These are (were) primarily local acts. Article three provided limited original jurisdiction to the Supreme Court and future inferior courts - which would necessarily limit their access to the sorts of actions proscribed in the first place.

    The states had recently left the Mother Country over a constant violation of all of these individual rights. If you look closely at the Bill of Rights, nearly every clause protects against a corresponding complaint in the Declaration of Independence - which states the Source of those rights. It is probably safe to say that people were not worried about their individual rights being denied by State constitutions or authorities at that time. They wanted to make sure that the federal government recognized them as well, not enumerate that state governments had special powers over individual freedoms granted through omission.

    I would argue that the 14th Amendment was not necessary for “incorporation” (and that Bingham is therefore correct, after a fashion) due to the privileges and immunities clause of Article Four: “Section. 2. The Citizens of each State shall be entitled to all Privileges and Immunities of Citizens in the several States,” and the supremacy clause in Article Six: “shall be the supreme Law of the Land; and the Judges in every State shall be bound thereby, any Thing in the Constitution or Laws of any State to the Contrary notwithstanding.”

    But I am just reading the document itself, not all the case law.

  • Connecticut Homeowners Fight to Prevent City Taking Their Homes for Redevelopment Emminent domain

    09/18/2015 8:31:18 AM PDT · 31 of 33
    Apogee to roadcat

    That would be “just” - the word used in their takings argument.

  • Todd Starnes: Guess Which ABC Show Will Feature Full Frontal Nudity?

    09/18/2015 7:27:05 AM PDT · 18 of 30
    Apogee to crusty old prospector; Kaslin

    Personally, we like these:

    Christian message, children’s puppets. Short vignettes. Well done. Don’t make the little people go bouncing off the walls like some other recent offerings I won’t name.

  • NSA to Destroy Records Collected Under Phone Spying Program

    08/01/2015 10:26:40 AM PDT · 21 of 30
    Apogee to Oldpuppymax

    So if they are going to have phone companies store the data, and the courts have made rulings that seem to say that our data in other people’s hands is not “ours” to be protected by our 4th and 5th amendment rights, and not “theirs” do defend their rights, so no warrant is needed, just a request...
    How does this make us more secure in our privacy?

  • Wal-Mart sued for denying health insurance to gay worker's wife

    07/15/2015 12:07:54 AM PDT · 16 of 17
    Apogee to Oldeconomybuyer

    Sure, “gay” marriage was “legal” in MA prior to the plaintiff’s injury, but as the SCOTUS did not “make it constitutional” until recently, her case has a bit of an ex post facto feel to it.
    But what do I know?

  • Wal-Mart sued for denying health insurance to gay worker's wife

    07/15/2015 12:03:51 AM PDT · 15 of 17
    Apogee to backwoods-engineer

    While a disaster from outside ourselves might be more merciful to us, in that we may be more likely to join together to fight it, and perhaps even repent, than if we simply go all Kosovo on each other, I am personally praying that the repentance comes first, so that neither form of disaster may overtake us.

  • Court: Nuns Must Comply with ObamaCare’s Contraceptive Mandate

    07/14/2015 11:59:51 PM PDT · 28 of 47
    Apogee to Talisker

    Lack of incorporation (unless you consider a marriage license a form thereof) has not protected home schooling families or vaccine questioners, or farmers, or non helmet wearers, or the people in Kelo, or... from infringements on their liberties in the name of the needs of the government.
    I am not sure incorporation has all the specific pros and cons some seem to think.

  • Filing Reveals Details of Ben Carson’s Campaign Fundraising, Spending

    07/14/2015 11:46:35 PM PDT · 7 of 10
    Apogee to iowamark

    72 percent of 5.8 million spent is about 4.1 million, or roughly 39 percent of all money raised so far being spent on fundraising.

    Unfortunately, I am not sure that places them all that high on the list of fundraising organizations who mostly exist to raise funds.

    The way the article states it makes it sound really bad, but I would like to see comparisons to other campaigns (especially her’s who name shall not be mentioned, but who seems to have some truly problematic fundraising methods...)

  • Donald Trump campaign ad appears to show NAZI SOLDIERS marching beneath the White House

    07/14/2015 11:32:24 PM PDT · 26 of 32
    Apogee to smokingfrog

    As German soldiers is part of the description, the intern is either stupid, or working for another team.

    Rather like someone else we know...

  • Scalia Dissent: I write separately to call attention to this Court’s threat to American democracy

    06/27/2015 1:46:02 PM PDT · 251 of 274
    Apogee to Sioux-san

    People have failed to understand, in spite of the history of lawfare you cite, and the examples of people accused of “hate crimes” by our northern neighbors, that the “gay” rights movement is an existential threat to freedom.
    The opinion of the court is absolutely wrong in framing the question as being whether homosexuals have the right to marry like everyone else. Of course they do - which is why the court wishes to frame it that way. The question is whether you can call the sexual union of two people of the same sex marriage.
    All this re-defining of words, and dehumanizing those who disagree with the new definitions, is the issue. It will not end well.

  • New Poll Backs View to Leave Confederate Battle Flag in Rear Window

    06/25/2015 1:21:52 PM PDT · 27 of 30
    Apogee to WayneS

    See what happens when I spend an hour trying to figure out a bit of HTML?

    Of course, that is one of the reasons I so seldom post anymore. If what I have to say has any merit, it is likely someone else will post it instead. If not, I am spared having posted that much more drivel in the world.

    This issue always makes me laugh when I cross the GA line, though, so I had to chime in.

  • New Poll Backs View to Leave Confederate Battle Flag in Rear Window

    06/25/2015 1:18:14 PM PDT · 26 of 30
    Apogee to Kaslin
    "Years later, another brave Georgia governor, Roy Barnes, successfully pushed through what Miller started and totally revamped Georgia's flag"

    The author may be from Georgia, but he doesn't seem to have been well educated while he was there.

    It's so revamped that it is now the official state flag of the CSA, with Georgia's seal inside it. Including "In God We Trust" for good measure.

    Every time I see one, I snicker at the complete idiocy of people who count the removal of an unofficial symbol of the Confederacy and replacement with the official one to be a victory.


    Revamped Georgia Flag:

    (My apologies, I thought I knew how to make the sizes smaller, but it does not seem to be working.)

  • Peering through the haze

    04/22/2015 9:08:24 PM PDT · 15 of 21
    Apogee to jjsheridan5; antidisestablishment

    So you are saying that cigarettes, not nicotine, or cigarettes in conjunction with nicotine are what is addictive. That would be a new one on me, I will research that further for my own understanding.

    Since nicotine poisoning is not uncommon, I will not try to parse the wording. Not enjoying smoking may be another way of saying can’t hack it, perhaps a more inclusive way of putting it. Keeping in mind your assertion that it is not the nicotine alone that is addictive, I have known many people who tried and did not enjoy it, many who worked through the initial discomfort of smoking and became addicted (whether chemically or habitually is debatable and perhaps irrelevant), and some who were addicted with their first cigarette. As I have told my children, you don’t know which type you will be until you try...

    Yes, I have seen good in it from people who have been lifetime smokers who used it to quit. I am not sure I see any good in high school age kids using it for kicks.

    antidisestablishment - note I did not state “there ought to be a law” anywhere in my posting. I maintain my position that “vaping” seems to have become a craze that does not seem to have been fully examined beyond its money saving and tar saving aspects. To my way of thinking, anything that reaches such as state of faddishness requires closer examination, with the default position being that someone is marketing something to us, which may not be all good.

    You have a point, especially if the information in the above post stands up, regarding nicotine vs caffeine, sugar, or whatever one may choose as a vice (if they are even that - not sure where you get the “crime” inference out of my post). Any or all of those things can be used in moderation, or can control you and rob you of your status as a man exercising dominion over creation. (aside, the individual for many reasons can be the last person to notice when that line has been crossed - I don’t know you, and therefore can only make the charitable assumption that you have a enjoyable activity which does not hinder your personal walk or life - your friends and family may give you a different take, or may affirm that).

    It seems that our culture has completely done away with even the hint of an idea of moderation versus life controlling addictions of many kinds. So when I see a popular delivery system for a drug which has removed he icky smell, social stigma, and many more obvious health concerns for perhaps only hidden ones, I want to say “what’s going on here?”

  • Senate Approves a Bill on Changes to Medicare

    04/22/2015 7:16:11 PM PDT · 109 of 109
    Apogee to kabar

    Thank you, belatedly, for several good counterpoints.

    The first one, of course, troubled me a bit, but I didn’t have time to try to make a formula that accounted for increasing the savings over time to match the Medicare rates. It is a rabbit trail in any case.
    I had forgotten altogether the family eligibility issue.

    You are correct, we simply can’t afford the program. I fear that only a cataclysmic reset will accomplish any sort of return to sanity on many fronts.

  • Peering through the haze

    04/22/2015 7:08:39 PM PDT · 6 of 21
    Apogee to jjsheridan5

    I don’t see e-cigs increasing tobacco use, but certainly see them increasing nicotine addiction.

    I fail to see how removing the tar from a toxic, highly addictive substance is a necessarily good thing.
    Many people avoided the addiction in the past because they could not hack the smoke.

    Now, if used as a step in the direction of getting rid of the habit altogether, I can see that. And I appreciate the fact that it has saved a lot of people a lot of money over the traditional route.

    But I am amazed that no one seems concerned that we are making it easier for people to remain or become addicts.

  • Senate Approves a Bill on Changes to Medicare

    04/15/2015 9:12:58 AM PDT · 89 of 109
    Apogee to kabar

    That makes me think a little about my disagreement with a certain radio economic advisor who thinks it is wrong to get all your parents’ assets safe before Medicare can take them away.

    On the surface, that seems to undercut my general assent to the “getting back what they paid in” argument you raise.

    But it is not getting what I paid in, it is getting a return on my investment.

    But then I have to wonder, how much would these hypothetical recipients have if they had invested that 55k steadily over their working lives?

    Now, my figuring may have some issues, which I would like to have pointed out to me by anyone who can think this through more knowledgeably, but here is what I am thinking:

    This is 55,000 put in total over the person’s working life, adjusted for inflation, etc, in 2010 dollars (note no wage gap assumed for male versus female!:)?

    If I divide that 55k by 30 years then I have put in an average of 1833 per year, or 152.78 per month.
    Going to moneychimp’s compound annual growth rate calculator yields a CAGR of 7.69 for the S&P 500 for the years 1980-2010, and an “average” return of 9.16.
    Dave Ramsey’s Investment Calculator says that 152 a month for 30 years at 7% would yield over 184,000 - at 9% it would be 271K.

    Now, if the individual worked for 40 years before retiring in 2010, the CAGR and “average” returns are lower (5.39 and 7.03 respectively), but the additional ten years of investment yield over 173K for the low figure, and 292K for the higher “average.”

    In any of these scenarios, the taxpayer would have come out about the same at worst, and way ahead at best, to have invested that 55K in the market, with a lot more choice for how his health care was run.

    Of course, my understanding of the figures may be completely off base, but given that the projected expenditures for men and women over the course of their remaining (future) lives is based on completely unknowable factors, it is probably at least as meaningful of an interpretation of what’s going on.

    I also admit that hindsight calculations are irrelevant to making a past decision (forced) to invest in a government backed and guaranteed (maybe) insurance plan. On a certain level, the guarantee would be worth the lost possible income (if it were run by competent people), as no one wants to have uncertainty about their healthcare in their latter years. But we still have that uncertainty with Medicare and the ACA.

    Further, if it is viewed as insurance, not an investment, no one pays a monthly premium their insurance company hoping “they will get back what they paid in,” they pay it knowing (hoping) that they will get back *more* than they paid in if there is a catastrophic occurrence in their lives. Otherwise they would simply save the money themselves, or not bother.

    It is up to the actuaries at the insurance companies to determine the risk and likelihood of their product being needed. If they fail to make accurate predictions, they go under or get bailed out. If they are government, they print more money, or change the rules, or steal from the public at large or doctors in specific.

    But any thoughtful person should have realized from the inception that Medicare was neither an investment nor an insurance program, but a forced Ponzi scheme with kickbacks and votes on the line for the enforcers.

    We need to find a way to scrap it while honoring previously made payments, not kick the can further down the road.

  • Haslam not among army of speakers at NRA event in Nashville

    04/06/2015 9:39:27 PM PDT · 9 of 9
    Apogee to Hugin

    Not to mention his incredibly convoluted reasoning on why it would be better for gun owners in Knoxville to be unable to carry their weapons in a city park.

  • Dianne Feinstein says the Anarchist’s Cookbook should be “removed from the Internet”

    04/06/2015 9:04:50 PM PDT · 48 of 55
    Apogee to R. Scott

    Or an early to mid seventies Britannica...
    Lots of things in those that are no longer in today’s touchy feely soft sciences version.

  • Creepy, Calculating, And Controlling: All The Ways Big Brother Is Watching You

    02/19/2015 10:00:16 PM PST · 23 of 25
    Apogee to Georgia Girl 2

    “We are living in a virtual police state.”

    Welcome to the silicon curtain, citizen number ####

  • The Republican Wisdom of Machiavelli

    02/18/2015 11:01:06 PM PST · 119 of 145
    Apogee to Jacquerie


  • Obama readies war powers pitch

    02/05/2015 9:26:06 PM PST · 50 of 54
    Apogee to Apogee

    2 2/3....


    find the memory hole on that last figure - say, did you know that unemployment is down?

  • Obama readies war powers pitch

    02/05/2015 9:24:59 PM PST · 49 of 54
    Apogee to Paul R.

    A U.S.-led coalition has also conducted 2,264 strikes in Iraq and Syria, killing more than 6,000 ISIS fighters.

    I figured if I scrolled down, someone would have posted this before me, but it bears repeating.

    Roughly 2 1/3 killed per strike (undefined term), at what cost for each one?

    I’m still not convinced that man’s direct oversight of drone missions was not to ensure the least important possible target was selected.

  • Bureaucrats With Berettas

    01/15/2015 8:10:01 PM PST · 42 of 42
    Apogee to Sherman Logan

    Its been a long time, but IIRC the shot was clear, the order was take out any adult, and she qualified, baby in her arms notwithstanding.

  • ‘Quartet of Truth’: Adult children of gay parents testify against same-sex ‘marriage’ at 5th Circuit

    01/14/2015 7:33:36 AM PST · 15 of 37
    Apogee to wagglebee


  • Pelosi shocked that GOP is doing what they said they would do on DHS

    01/14/2015 7:28:29 AM PST · 10 of 14
    Apogee to SeekAndFind

    “Republicans still say ‘no’ to passing a clean bill unless they can be a menace to immigration,” Pelosi said.”

    language matters. Apparently a “clean” bill is one that has no encumberances on every little thing the Democrats want, whether related to the subject at hand or not.

    Now, me, I would think a “clean” bill was one that was succinct, clear, and dealt with one narrow aspect of legislation or funding.

  • Pelosi: Time is now for gas-tax hike

    01/14/2015 7:21:44 AM PST · 31 of 70
    Apogee to EBH

    “”I can’t respond to their proposal because I don’t know what it is,” Pelosi said....”

    That is funny, right there.

  • Pelosi: Time is now for gas-tax hike

    01/14/2015 7:20:57 AM PST · 30 of 70
    Apogee to Democrat_media

    I don’t know about that - seems I heard a Republican on the radio (Corker? sorry I can’t say for sure) float the idea that the higher gasoline tax would be offset elsewhere, and so would be revenue neutral.
    If that is the case - why bother? Who is getting the cut while the typical driver gets to pay more to commute?
    Give the new congress a chance - it will be passing all kind of measures that the Democrats of a few years ago only dreamed of passing.

  • Is the Album Dying? If You Ask Me, Yes

    01/12/2015 8:57:37 PM PST · 61 of 139
    Apogee to Squawk 8888

    My kids quit sharing their music when I ask them what they like about a song. Apparently it is possible to really like a song without realizing it is about getting really drunk and laid by a strange guy, or killing your abusive step-father, (we won’t even mention some really racy lyrics that they seemed clueless about) among other things.
    However, deconstructing the lyrics has proven a good way to get them to quit the current tripe for some new tripe.

    There is some good music being produced now, I even heard some dance tune the other day that I enjoyed once I was able to hear the words.

    Changing the subject of the post a bit - albums as a concept are trending out right now, but as a medium can not be beaten - no square sine waves for me, please.

  • A Sensible Strategy to Curtail Ebola in US

    10/15/2014 8:45:47 PM PDT · 15 of 15
    Apogee to ClearCase_guy

    I think you see the problem.
    It is not necessary for “them” to win, only for us to lose, and unless we suddenly grow some wisdom, the ways of bringing that about are numerous and indefinite, to quote another.
    If serious opposition were raised against our first multicultural person, we lose. If it is not, we lose.
    It is too much to hope that somewhere behind these apparently evil machinations is the desire to push the people to the point they refuse to accept anymore (read Taylor Caldwell’s “The Devil’s Advocate” sometime, for an eerily prescient dystopian depiction of what we are facing, all the way down to a homeland security department).
    Instead I think a certain person wakes up every morning wondering why he is still able to do so, and what else he can do to the contemptible people who won’t even stop him.
    To quote someone else, mere incompetence would at least occasionally seem to work in our favor.

  • Outlaw bikers fighting ISIS in Iraq

    10/15/2014 10:15:30 AM PDT · 21 of 24
    Apogee to ansel12

    That could be an interesting scenario. Both sides understand and respect the notion of disproportionate response.

    In some former work I had decent amount of contact with an organized motorcycle group. I still do not have a good idea as to how much of the persona is protective colorization and how much is legit, but I am not one to test it.
    I did have a “disagreement” with one once. Since I was aware that doing what was necessary to survive the moment might get me incarcerated (if I were successful), and had a suspicion that being unarmed in a cell would be the last place I would wish to be after such an event, I determined to find a diplomatic solution to the problem (after the fact). The club (and I presume he) made restitution, which they would not have been able to do had I chosen a less respectful approach.
    There is a lot of “face” involved, and making sure everyone is aware and accepts that the fight would involve hundreds of participants if it goes that route.
    I am not sure the opposition team is really desirous of the response hitting a club could get.


    09/28/2014 7:48:25 AM PDT · 67 of 79
    Apogee to PastorBooks

    ““...and now the biggest share of them use fetal tissue.”


    What? indeed:
    you will find links in the top left frame to pdf’s which list vaccines that are built using materials from aborted fetal stem cell lines. Other links of interest give further information on the cell lines’ sources, along with other issues.
    Dig in, browse around.

    To all the anti-anti-vaxers out there, please note that the producers of this site bill themselves as “World Leaders of The Campaign *For* Ethical Vaccines, Medicines and Consumer Products”

    There are ethical vaccines for several diseases which are not “available” in the U.S.

  • Independence referendum: Top economists spell out 13 ways a Yes vote will hit us in the pocket

    09/15/2014 8:48:47 PM PDT · 10 of 11
    Apogee to the scotsman

    A point was made a few weeks ago on the John Batchelor show (I believe it was) that Great Britain would have to get rid of its nuclear capabilities if the break was successful.
    Considering the influx of radical Muslims (/reduntancy) into the Kingdom, a little reflection makes me think that removing them would be a good thing.
    No need to have an Islamic State which inherits a decent nuclear force.
    Of course, the talk now is to move them to a country which has its own problems with Muslims in the highest places...