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Figures Found During Mural Restoration in Mexico
Latin American Herald Tribune ^ | Monday, October 10,2011 | EFE

Posted on 10/10/2011 3:25:25 PM PDT by SunkenCiv

Mexican experts have discovered some small, previously hidden figures in a Mayan mural while carrying out restoration work on it, the National Anthropology and History Institute, or INAH, said.

Figures representing the heads of three men were found during the treatment being given to the Murals of Bonampak at the like-named archaeological site, located in the Lacandona jungle in the southern state of Chiapas, that dates back to the year 790 A.D.

Further information about the diminutive figures has not yet come to light, the INAH said.

At the same time, the iconography of two images painted on the upper part of the vault has been reinterpreted.

A preliminary study identifies them as personifications of a K'inich Ahau, or solar deity, and an as yet unidentified god.

The mural is considered a work "of the most advanced school of painting to exist in all Mesoamerica," Constantino Armendariz, a member of the restoration team, said.

The mural showing a glorious moment in the reign of Chaan Muan II, when he vanquished and took prisoner enemies from the rival city of Sak' Tz'i', was painted on a surface of lime-sand, the INAH said.

The restoration treatment has done wonders for the paintings, allowing its scenes to be truly understood and revealing details previously hidden, with forms and backgrounds acquiring a new clarity and figures discovered that were never seen before, the institute said.

Restoration began in 2009 when ducts and cracks caused by earthquakes over the centuries were sealed.

Treating the murals that cover three-fourths of the archaeological site will take four to five years, but the first stage, the restoration of three walls, will be finished in November, Gilberto Buitrago, who is in charge of the team of six restorers, said.

(Excerpt) Read more at laht.com ...


TOPICS: History; Science; Travel
KEYWORDS: bonampak; epigraphyandlanguage; godsgravesglyphs; mexico; olmec; olmecs; shang
Latin American Herald Tribune

1 posted on 10/10/2011 3:25:34 PM PDT by SunkenCiv
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To: StayAt HomeMother; Ernest_at_the_Beach; 1010RD; 21twelve; 24Karet; 2ndDivisionVet; 31R1O; ...

 GGG managers are SunkenCiv, StayAt HomeMother & Ernest_at_the_Beach
To all -- please ping me to other topics which are appropriate for the GGG list.


2 posted on 10/10/2011 3:27:11 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (It's never a bad time to FReep this link -- https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/)
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To: SunkenCiv
"....... personifications of a K'inich Ahau ......" is, Japanese for HELLO. That is: こんにちは

HOLY CR*PU

3 posted on 10/10/2011 3:32:26 PM PDT by muawiyah
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To: SunkenCiv

Painting by the numbers goes way back.


4 posted on 10/10/2011 3:35:57 PM PDT by PoloSec ( Believe how that Christ died for our sins, was buried and rose again for our justification)
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To: SunkenCiv

Figure identified as Holdercoatl, the Mayan god of free guns.

5 posted on 10/10/2011 3:37:01 PM PDT by Tijeras_Slim
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To: SunkenCiv
Figures representing the heads of three men were found during the treatment being given to the Murals of Bonampak at the like-named archaeological site, located in the Lacandona jungle in the southern state of Chiapas, that dates back to the year 790 A.D.

An inscription just below the three figures, representing the ancient equivalent of a caption, roughly translates as follows: "Why you lame brains! I oughta tear your tonsils out!"

6 posted on 10/10/2011 3:39:32 PM PDT by GreenHornet
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To: Tijeras_Slim

Good one!


7 posted on 10/10/2011 3:55:31 PM PDT by Bigg Red
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To: muawiyah

Kin eetch ee wah to an interesting idea. :') Also from the Far East:
Chinatown, 1000 B.C.
by Jocelyn Selim
Mike Xu, a linguist at Texas Christian University... has spent years analyzing jade, stone, and pottery relics from the Olmec, an ancient people that inhabited the American Southwest and Central America 3,000 years ago. He was struck by how closely the symbols on the artifacts resembled Chinese inscriptions from the Shang dynasty in China. "There are hundreds of these symbols that occur again and again, throughout the entire Olmec territory," Xu says. The Shang writings date from 1600 to 1100 b.c. Traces of the Olmec civilization abruptly appear during this span, around 1200 to 1100 B.C. Olmec and Shang artistic styles look much alike, and the two cultures followed related religious practices. For instance, both used cinnabar, a red pigment, to decorate ceremonial objects, and both put jade beads in the mouths of the dead to ward off evil. "The similarities are just too striking to be a coincidence," he says.
The Olmec and the Shang
by Claire Liu
tr. by Robert Taylor
Last year, in a book entitled Origin of the Olmec Civilization, Professor Mike Xu, a Chinese who teaches in the foreign languages department at the University of Central Oklahoma, proposed a hypothesis which aroused a storm of controversy in archeological circles. In Xu's view, the first complex culture in Mesoamerica may have come into existence with the help of a group of Chinese who fled across the seas as refugees at the end of the Shang dynasty. The Olmec civilization arose around 1200 BC, which coincides with the time when King Wu of Zhou attacked and defeated King Zhou, the last Shang ruler, bringing his dynasty to a close.
A tale of two cultures
by Charles Fenyvesi
The Smithsonian's Meggers says that Chen's analysis of the colors "makes sense. But his reading of the text is the clincher. Writing systems are too arbitrary and complex. They cannot be independently reinvented."
2,500 Years Before Columbus
by Patrick Huyghe
[W]hen the last Shang king was defeated and killed by rivals in 1122 B.C., his loyalists were forced to flee to the "East Ocean" or Pacific, notes Xu in his new book, Origin of the Olmec Civilization (University of Central Oklahoma Press, 1996)... Numerous notable Chinese scholars have confirmed Xu's readings of the Olmec inscriptions, including Han Ping Chen, a scholar of ancient Chinese from the Historical Research Institute at the China Social Science Academy. After examining 146 characters and symbols from the Olmec culture, Chen reported: "These symbols, if found or excavated in China (except rock art and carving), would certainly be regarded as prehistoric Chinese characters or symbols. Of 146 symbols, many are 100 percent identical to ancient Chinese characters. Some, I am afraid, can be easily recognized by Chinese first graders in elementary schools..." ...William Boltz of the University of Washington and Robert Bagley of Princeton dismissed as "rubbish" the notion that the characters could be Chinese. The criticism infuriates Xu -- and rightly so, we might add. "Most experts in Olmec studies do not have any idea about ancient Chinese writings and Asian cultures or tradition," says Xu, who was educated in both China and the United States. "How on Earth could they comment on top Chinese scholars reading Chinese as 'rubbish'?"
America's earliest written language uncovered
Friday 6th December 2002
Carvings believed to be the earliest form of written language in the Americas have been found in Mexico. Symbols dating back to 650BC were found by archaeologists in the San Andreas region of Tabasco state, near the Gulf of Mexico. They were found on chips from a stone plaque and on a cylinder stone used for printing that were unearthed in a dig at the site of an ancient Olmec city near La Venta. The symbols are 350 years older than the oldest previously discovered American writings... The carvings were interpreted to mean "king" and "3 Ajaw", which researchers believe was the name of a ruler. The Olmec's system of carvings for dates and names was adopted by the Mayas, who then developed it into a highly sophisticated language over the next 1,000 years.
'Earliest writing' found in China
by Paul Rincon
Signs carved into 8,600-year-old tortoise shells found in China may be the earliest written words, say archaeologists... They predate the earliest recorded writings from Mesopotamia - in what is now Iraq - by more than 2,000 years. The archaeologists say they bear similarities to written characters used thousands of years later during the Shang dynasty, which lasted from 1700-1100 BC... The archaeologists have identified 11 separate symbols inscribed on the tortoise shells. The shells were found buried with human remains in 24 Neolithic graves unearthed at Jiahu in Henan province, western China. The site has been radiocarbon dated to between 6,600 and 6,200 BC. The research was carried out by Dr Garman Harbottle, of the Brookhaven National Laboratory in New York, US, and a team of archaeologists at the University of Science and Technology of China, in Anhui province... Dr Harbottle points to the persistence of sign use at different sites along the Yellow River throughout the Neolithic and up to the Shang period, when a complex writing system appears. He emphasised that he was not suggesting the Neolithic symbols had the same meanings as Shang characters they resembled... The shells come from graves where, in 1999, the researchers unearthed ancient bone flutes. These flutes are the earliest musical instruments known to date.
Sites of Shang and Zhou Dynasties unearthed at construction site in Jiangxi
People's Daily Online
December 12, 2008
Recently, reporters learned from Pengze County, Jiangxi that a construction unit of the Pengze-Hukou Expressway recently unearthed a large number of stoneware including stone axes, stone chisels and net sinkers, and ceramic ware such as kettles, pots, dings, spinning wheels and wrist straps, as well as a few cultural relics in the form of bronze spears while working in Mashan Village in Langxi Town of Pengze County.

To date, archeologists have already excavated over 80 square trial pits each covering an area of 25 square meters, with the total excavation area exceeding 2,000 square meters. According to excavation findings and verification by archeologists, this site was in existence during the late Shang Dynasty and early Zhou Dynasty, and is identified as the "Taimashan Site."

During the excavation, the archeologists discovered for the first time large-sized highland habitation sites of ancient humans, which prove that whole tribes existed around the Pengze basin in the south of the Yangtze River during the Shang and Zhou Dynasties.
Ancient ruins of salt-making from Shang and Zhou Dynasties found in Shouguang
People's Daily Online
December 15, 2008
Recently, archeologists from the China Academy of Social Sciences and School of Archaeology and Museology from Peking University and Shandong Province visited and inspected archeological sites of salt-making at the Shuangwangcheng reservoir in Shouguang, Shandong Province. All the experts agree that the relics can be dated back to the Shang and Zhou Dynasties, and preliminarily examinations conclude that these are important ancient ruins connected to the salt industry.

With over 80 sites covering 30 square kilometers the discovery of such densely distributed ancient ruins connected to salt-making is the first of its kind in China's archaeological history.

The ancient ruins found in this archaeological exploration are relatively intact and the cultural relics unearthed have been mainly helmet-shaped potteries, with most of them belonging to the Shang and Zhou Dynasties.

The excavation has provided important information for the study of the ancient salt industry and ancient social life.

8 posted on 10/10/2011 4:05:11 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (It's never a bad time to FReep this link -- https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/)
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To: SunkenCiv

Did they all look like aliens and flying saucers? :D

As messed as it is, I love the show Ancient Aliens for it’s entertainment value.


9 posted on 10/10/2011 4:13:11 PM PDT by nerdwithagun (I'd rather go gun to gun then knife to knife.)
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To: SunkenCiv
Konichi wa is correctly pronounced ~

Note: Around here we have more than our fair share of people from El Salvador. They come in two varieties ~ white folks and Japanese. No other way to 'splain it.

Recently National Geo had a piece of some anomalous burials further up the coast in Costa Rica. They were pretty clearly Japanese graves.

It's time for another Kon Tiki where someone gets on a boat and drifts around the Pacific littoral until it stops in Latin America.

Regarding OTHER Japanese language uses in Souvrn' Mesco ~ the dominant tribe in El Salvador has a well preserved and researched language so you can go on line and dig it up. I don't think they teach it yet but that's coming.

As you know Japanese has more than one way to count things, people, events. It's rather complex, but one of the ways generates words that fit well within the phonemes of the way that Indian tribe "counts". There's a change (always expected) but it's a consistent change.

Now, Shang Dynasty stuff, back before the Internet I went down to a Smithsonian exhibit of Shang Dynasty characters. I took my handy dandy book that had a chapter about Indian sign language with me. It really hit the spot. I was there in a gathering of older Chinese marveling at the ancientness of the characters, so I translated it all into English for them.

You know what that proves? I suspect ~ but I don't know ~ but when you translate characters for Chinese using a book about Indian sign language that's gotta' mean something eh.

10 posted on 10/10/2011 4:18:23 PM PDT by muawiyah
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To: nerdwithagun

Yeah, I’m with ya, I’ve picked up some of those on DVD.


11 posted on 10/10/2011 6:35:08 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (It's never a bad time to FReep this link -- https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/)
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To: muawiyah

:’) Definitely.


12 posted on 10/10/2011 6:35:19 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (It's never a bad time to FReep this link -- https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/)
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To: SunkenCiv

Shangadelic, baby!


13 posted on 10/12/2011 4:09:33 PM PDT by colorado tanker
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To: colorado tanker

:’)


14 posted on 10/12/2011 4:16:19 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (It's never a bad time to FReep this link -- https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/)
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To: SunkenCiv

15 posted on 10/12/2011 4:27:45 PM PDT by Daffynition (“There are no compacts between lions and men, and wolves and lambs have no concord.” ~ Homer)
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To: Daffynition

;’)


16 posted on 10/12/2011 6:11:39 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (It's never a bad time to FReep this link -- https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/)
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To: SunkenCiv

17 posted on 10/12/2011 6:42:08 PM PDT by Daffynition (“There are no compacts between lions and men, and wolves and lambs have no concord.” ~ Homer)
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To: muawiyah; SunkenCiv; All

Some years ago I went to the Epcot Center in Orlando. There was an exhibit on Pre-Columbian Mexico. There was one glazed drinking cup there that had figures on it that looked very Japanese to me. There is also the question of the Negro looking heads of the Olmec. I would not be surprised to find out that both Chinese and Japanese had some influence. I also would not be surprised about visits from the Mediterranean. One thousand BC the Myceneans (and possibly the Sea People) were using African mercenaries on their ships. It would not be too hard to imagine a ship or ships making it to the American’s, and the mercenaries taking over both the ships and the local settlements. That age was one of collosal figures and heads being produced in Egypt. That could explain the large Negro type heads.


18 posted on 10/12/2011 11:46:59 PM PDT by gleeaikin
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