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Roman Tomb Unearthed; to Everyone’s Surprise, It’s Intact [4th c BC]
New York Times ^ | June 1, 2018 | Elisabetta Povoledo

Posted on 06/11/2018 12:57:11 AM PDT by SunkenCiv

Sometimes the most extraordinary finds occur by sheer luck. At least that was the case of a fourth century B.C. chamber tomb that came to light five weeks ago during the construction of an aqueduct in a Rome suburb, when an earthmover accidentally opened a hole in the side of the chamber... The tomb contained the remains of four occupants -- three men and a woman -- and funerary wares. Archaeologists are calling it "the Tomb of the Athlete" because of the presence of two bronze strigils, the instrument used by ancient Greek and Roman athletes to scrape sweat from the skin after a workout. Actually, the male skeletons in the tomb belonged to older men (all three were over 35 -- very old in those days). "To say there was an athlete is a bit of stretch, but it works journalistically," joked Fabio Turchetta, the on-site archaeologist who followed the aqueduct works... The tomb was dated to between 335 and 312 B.C. on the basis of a coin found next to a skeleton. One side depicts the head of Minerva, the flip side a horse head with the lettering: "Romano." Excavated into a bank of porous tuff, the volcanic rock typical of the area, the family tomb was distinctive "because it remained intact, and was never violated," said the archaeologist Stefano Musco, scientific director of the dig. The quality of the black-glazed pottery found next to the skeletons -- a variety of bowls and plates, some bearing mini-skeletons of animals (two, a rabbit and a lamb or a goat, have been identified) -- suggested that the owners of the tomb came from a privileged social class, Mr. Musco said.

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TOPICS: History; Science; Travel
KEYWORDS: ancientautopsies; aqueduct; dietandcuisine; fabioturchetta; ggg; godsgravesglyphs; italy; minerva; romanempire; romano; rome; stefanomusco; strigils; tomboftheathlete
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To: Larry Lucido

Or in my case, one.


21 posted on 06/11/2018 5:37:41 AM PDT by SunkenCiv (www.tapatalk.com/groups/godsgravesglyphs/, forum.darwincentral.org, www.gopbriefingroom.com)
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To: \/\/ayne

First time I read that (in this lifetime anyway) was in the National Lampoon, I was just expecting to find it online somewhere, but imagine my surprise just now.

More classical Roman suicide jokes:

https://www.purplemotes.net/2015/12/20/husband-suicide-cicero/

The Nat Lamp list included this thigh-slapper from Flavian Rome:

http://www.google.com/search?q=Titus+Vespasian+and+the+urinal+tax


22 posted on 06/11/2018 5:49:16 AM PDT by SunkenCiv (www.tapatalk.com/groups/godsgravesglyphs/, forum.darwincentral.org, www.gopbriefingroom.com)
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To: Lurker

And the Romans themselves derided their neighbors and former overlords, calling them “obesus Etruscus”, or the Fat Etruscan. Calling Americans fat is one of the favored pejoratives of European alleged humorists. In the 1980s Khaddafy let European Nazis make their demonstrations in Libya (they’re still illegal in Europe), and one of the popular signs was, “we are with you, Palestinian people, not with the fat, dirty Jew.” The upshot is, it’s possible that European humor peaked with the Roman empire. ;^)


23 posted on 06/11/2018 6:15:03 AM PDT by SunkenCiv (www.tapatalk.com/groups/godsgravesglyphs/, forum.darwincentral.org, www.gopbriefingroom.com)
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To: SunkenCiv

“The upshot is, it’s possible that European humor peaked with the Roman empire. ;^)”

Times change. People don’t.

L


24 posted on 06/11/2018 6:20:42 AM PDT by Lurker (President Trump isn't our last chance. President Trump is THEIR last chance.)
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To: a fool in paradise

It took me a few minutes, but, now, I see what you did there. :^D


25 posted on 06/11/2018 6:28:57 AM PDT by SunkenCiv (www.tapatalk.com/groups/godsgravesglyphs/, forum.darwincentral.org, www.gopbriefingroom.com)
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To: Larry Lucido

Why do athletes call those things medicine balls? There’s no medicine inside them. :^)


26 posted on 06/11/2018 6:32:55 AM PDT by SunkenCiv (www.tapatalk.com/groups/godsgravesglyphs/, forum.darwincentral.org, www.gopbriefingroom.com)
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To: SunkenCiv

(all three were over 35 — very old in those days)

Where do they get this nonsense?

History and Scripture is replete with people living to their 70’s,80’s, and 90’s, in this era.

The same claims are made as recently as the 1800’s and I have Great, Great Grandparents, Great Grandparents, and Grandparents who lived to their 90’s.

I’m sure that the rate of infant death impacts the “averages”, but to suggest 35 was old is nonsense.


27 posted on 06/11/2018 6:52:06 AM PDT by G Larry (There is no great virtue in bargaining with the Devil)
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To: SunkenCiv

“...during the construction of an aqueduct in a Rome suburb...”

That’s funny. One of the greatest civic accomplishments of the Roman Empire...the aquaduct...and they’re still building them! Outstanding!

(Hey, if it ain’t broke, don’t fix it.)


28 posted on 06/11/2018 7:53:56 AM PDT by moovova
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To: DariusBane

Average life span for a Roman in those days was twenty one (21) years of age. I didn’t believe it myself until I looked it up from several different sources.


29 posted on 06/11/2018 8:10:09 AM PDT by Ruy Dias de Bivar
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To: SunkenCiv

Nice find.

It’s funny how random truths and insight to life, the universe and everything turns up unexpectedly at times.

“... is a bit of stretch, but it works journalistically,...””


30 posted on 06/11/2018 8:43:36 AM PDT by Grimmy (equivocation is but the first step along the road to capitulation)
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To: SunkenCiv

I just bought a set of those dishes at Kohl’s.


31 posted on 06/11/2018 8:49:27 AM PDT by JZelle
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To: Ruy Dias de Bivar; DariusBane

DariusBane is right. Life span and life expectancy are two different things. Life expectancy is also greatly reduced by infant and childhood mortality.


32 posted on 06/11/2018 8:54:38 AM PDT by Moonman62 (Give a man a fish and he'll be a Democrat. Teach a man to fish and he'll be a responsible citizen.)
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To: Ruy Dias de Bivar

More info on Roman life expectancy:

https://revealedrome.com/2012/06/ancient-rome-daily-life-women-age/


33 posted on 06/11/2018 8:56:17 AM PDT by Moonman62 (Give a man a fish and he'll be a Democrat. Teach a man to fish and he'll be a responsible citizen.)
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To: SunkenCiv

True Facts!


34 posted on 06/11/2018 8:56:54 AM PDT by \/\/ayne (I regret that I have but one subscription cancellation notice to give to my local newspaper.)
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To: Moonman62

Thanks for the explanation I didn’t take time to make.


35 posted on 06/11/2018 9:07:35 AM PDT by DariusBane (Liberty and Risk. Flip sides of the same coin. So how much risk will YOU accept? Vive Deo et Vives)
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To: Moonman62

Thanks for the explanation I didn’t take time to make.


36 posted on 06/11/2018 9:07:36 AM PDT by DariusBane (Liberty and Risk. Flip sides of the same coin. So how much risk will YOU accept? Vive Deo et Vives)
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To: SunkenCiv

he family tomb was distinctive “because it remained intact, and was never violated,”

At least, it wasn’t violated until the “chamber tomb that came to light five weeks ago during the construction of an aqueduct in a Rome suburb, when an earthmover accidentally opened a hole in the side of the chamber...”

Honestly, we expect people to leave our dead and buried alone, but this GRAVE from hundreds (ok, possible 2000) years ago, we dig into? It’s a grave - if you want ours respected and left alone, leave others alone.

/Not directed at you SC, just find it crazy/odd...


37 posted on 06/11/2018 9:35:30 AM PDT by ro_dreaming (Chesterton, 'Christianity has not been tried and found wanting. It's been found hard and not tried')
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To: Lurker

Dead White Male Privilege.


38 posted on 06/11/2018 9:51:00 AM PDT by PLMerite ("They say that we were Cold Warriors. Yes, and a bloody good show, too." - Robert Conquest)
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To: ro_dreaming
Honestly, we expect people to leave our dead and buried alone, but this GRAVE from hundreds (ok, possible 2000) years ago, we dig into? It’s a grave - if you want ours respected and left alone, leave others alone.

Where do they truly draw the line between grave desecration and archaeology?

39 posted on 06/11/2018 11:29:55 AM PDT by JimRed ( TERM LIMITS, NOW! Build the Wall Faster! TRUTH is the new HATE SPEECH.)
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To: JimRed

That’s the point, where do we? Personally, I am going to be cremated (or, well, I want to be, this body will be dead, so I don’t really have any say in the matter). Just at what point will someone in the future dig up the graves of today?

Do we expect the future generations to leave our sunken ships alone, as we expect other countries to leave them alone now?


40 posted on 06/11/2018 2:06:56 PM PDT by ro_dreaming (Chesterton, 'Christianity has not been tried and found wanting. It's been found hard and not tried')
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