Saddam Regime Document Dated 2001 Shows Chemical Platoon Still Exists And Active (Translation)

Pentagon/FMSO website about Iraqi Pre-War Document ^ | March 25 2006 | jveritas

[drhogan]

"What was your first clue?"

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i think it was when somebody posted here that he does his own translations.
my second clue was when he replied and said that Arabic is his first language.

[justa-hairyape]

Can you tell if this is an offensive or a defensive type unit.

I am not military myself, but perhaps something can be learned about the 1991 Iraqi chem units by anaylzing orders concerning their chem units during the Iraq/Iran war. This is excerpted from a Leavenworth translated document. No official seal. Looks like translated military orders.

CMPC-2004-002219-0

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B. Bases of Iran Agents in the Basin of villages of (Tkiyyeh,Bilkjar,Siyuisnan) annexing Karah Dagh. 4. The above mentioned targets, in paragraphs(A-B)under item 3, are important bases for Iran’s agents and members of Iranian enemies, are far away (as targets for special equipment)from our units. They are considered more appropriate than others to strike with our equipment for being located in low regions which helps the chemical fumes to settle. We can also treat them with available ways (air force, tubular bombers, Samtiyyat (Helicopters) and at night

5. Our directorate suggested striking both targets, referred to in item 3, during this period using two thirds of available special equipment (Ricin) plus one third of available special equipment (Mustard Gas) and keeping the balance for emergency situations that might arise in the operation theater.

6. The top secret, personal and urgent letter No.953/965/k dated March 29, 87 from the President’s Office Secretary, stated the following: “Approval of striking has been obtained provided the results are exploited… for the purpose is not only to inflict losses among the saboteurs, but also to coordinate with the Corps… please advice prior to striking”. Please be informed and order the execution of what was stipulated in the above letter of the President’s Office- Secretary, and advise your sanction. With esteem.
Signed
Major General
Chief of General Military Intelligence

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3. Due to limited supply of Special Equipment at the present time, it is preferable we adopt one of the following options:
A. First Option
Striking the two chosen targets during this period by using two thirds of available special equipment (Ricin Gas) plus one thirds of available special equipment (Mustard Gas), and keeping the balance for emergency situations in the field of operations.
B. Second Option Postpone executing the strike till mid-April 1987, and until such time enough supply of special equipment is available, and production improves.
4. We support the first option. Please be informed, and what action you want to take and advise. With esteem.
Signed
Staff General
Chief - General Military Intelligence
Note: Regarding obtaining the approval of the Presidency generous than us
Office of the President Secretary
General Military Intelligence Directorate
Top Secret, Personal and Urgent
Number?M1/Sh3/Q2/6414
Date/March 18, 1987
To/Presidency Office-Secretary
Subject/Utilizing Special Equipment
Your top secret -, personal and urgent letter 7/J2/808/K dated March 12, 87
1. The following are our available capabilities to utilize the special equipment against the Khomeini Guards bases located within the saboteur’s quarters of Barazanis First Division.
A. At the present time, climate conditions do not help in Utilizing (Sarin) due to snow coverage of the designated targeted areas, which could lead to diluting the said element and transforming it to a non-poisonous element. This condition applies to (Tabun) element too.
B. A large quantity of (Mustard) gas is available, but its potential effect is considered a (miracle) except in cases where a concentrated dose is taken. In addition, its evaporation becomes slow in snow regions.
C. Air force, tubular bombers and (Samtiyyat?) can be used at night for this purpose.
2. We recommend the following:
A. Postpone executing the strike against Khomeini Guards located within the Barazani Group’s quarters until next June. Because the targets lie in the Iraqi/Turkish boarders, it is preferable we choose targets that will not impact the Turkish boarder units, or the Turkish villages.
B. Start planning to execute similar limited operations against the bases of Iran’s agents.
Please review, and advise us suggestions... With esteem (signed)
Staff Major General
Chief - General Military Intelligence Directorate.

[justa-hairyape]

Correction - 1991 should read 2001

[Raycpa]

The problem with writing off a defensive chemical unit as irrelevant to the question of chemical weapons use is that such defensive provisions are necessary to have if an army intends to use them.

[xzins]

The issue is that chemical units are defensive and not offensive and are mostly concerned with decontamination.

Artillery and aviation units are generally the offensive units that deploy chemical in the attack.

[Strategerist]

Sorry...

There are dozens of militaries all over the world that have no chemical weapons, but have chemical decontamination units and vehicles just like this Iraqi unit.

Keep in mind Iran has chemical weapons, and has used them, in the Iran-Iraq war (in smaller quantities than Iraq, but it still happened.)

I realize people desperately want to believe otherwise but reality has to be faced on this one. No particularly interesting smoking gun here.

[bnelson44]

Or you are afraid a neighbor (e.g., Iran) would use them on you.

[BigSkyFreeper]

Thanks for the ping! BTTT

[Raycpa]

My point is that just because they are defensive doesn't prove their isn't a chemical program.

[Raycpa]

Separate issue

I realize people desperately want to believe otherwise

I personally think we were right to take control of Iraq even if Saddam didn't have any weapons other than a sling shot and we should make provisions for staying there at least for the next 50-100 years.

So I am not desperate at all.

[Ernest_at_the_Beach]

is there any info on how and where and from whom the document was obtained?

It would really help the guy doing the translations not to have to stop and response to questions that DO NOT relate to the specific document....

You do know where the documents came from ....surely!!!

[Chode]

do I really have to say it???

[SittinYonder]

Rush Limbaugh said for the Left this info release would be a death by a thousand cuts....it sure seems that way

Trouble is that it's being ignored so much. Maybe there have been more, but to date I've only seen a couple of AP stories, one being the infamous "poor Saddam was frustrated" story that seems to completely ignore nearly everything that has been released and translated so far, focusing on some audio tapes that, according to Georges Sada, at least, were mistranslated.

[Ernest_at_the_Beach]

Trouble is that it's being ignored so much.

Why are you surprised?

[Ernest_at_the_Beach]

Thanks for the alert!

[SittinYonder]

I also believe that Saddam wouldn't plan for a chemical attack against THEM...because they know we don't use those kinds of chemicals...

This is a good point from Txsleuth. If this Chemical Platoon was for decontamination, who was he worried would be using chemical weapons against him? I don't know if he might have had a clean-up unit fearing Iran or someone else would hit him with chemical weapons.

LOL ... Maybe he was worried that Syria would use the chemical weapons he gave to them against him.

[headstamp]

Nothing to see here, let's move along.

Signed, MSM

[justa-hairyape]

LOL ... Maybe he was worried that Syria would use the chemical weapons he gave to them against him.

And the excerpts above potentially demonstrate that against the Iranians, cleanup and decontamination were not high priorities. Perhaps having no Air Force really affected their WMD deployment capabilities against the Coalition.

[Ernest_at_the_Beach]

One document is not likely to prove much, we will need lots of documents translated , then folks with good military knowledge going thru and doing some heavy work of correlation and cross-checking.

For many , what I am saying is pretty obvious, for others that clearly aren't up to speed on the topic we need to politiely inform them without slowing down those that have the skills needed to do the heavy lifting!

Just my two cents....

jveritas is getting a pretty heavy barrage of questions, seems to me.

[SittinYonder]

No surprise. Most of my co-workers knew nothing about this stuff until I started telling them about it, but that's always the case. I'll read something on FR, tell friends and co-workers about it and two or three days later they'll come back to tell me they finally saw it on the news.

I've become the news source for most of the people I associate with. Last week, a friend told me she was going to join FR and get on eyespy's ping list just to keep up with the document release.