Obama's Birth Certificate (new info?)

Western Center for Journalism via WND email | 25 March 2009 | Floyd Brown

[ROLF of the HILL COUNTRY]

I received this in an email from the folks at World Net Daily. While it was a solicitation to participate and donate for a fax campaign to the MSM, I found it to be an excellent summary of the issue. I have deleted all the solicitations:

Is the biggest political crime in American history taking place right before our eyes? Is the man in the White House INELIGIBLE, according to the Constitution, to sit in the Oval Office... is he a FRAUD... a USURPER?

Barack Hussein Obama could put the issue to rest right now by simply releasing his ACTUAL BIRTH CERTIFICATE!

But he WON'T release his ACTUAL BIRTH CERTIFICATE. In fact, he is actively RESISTING efforts to compel him to release his ACTUAL BIRTH CERTIFICATE.

He's dug in his heels. He has teams of lawyers fighting efforts to get him to release his ACTUAL BIRTH CERTIFICATE, while his underlings look down their noses at the American people and call these legitimate requests "garbage."

And the one pivotal question that those who attempt to dismiss the controversy cannot answer is:

If Barack Hussein Obama has nothing to hide, what's the problem? The more he resists, the more you have to wonder.

Meanwhile the liberal press is trying to drag this story into a dark alley and bludgeon it to death...

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Not Conspiracy Theories... Just The Facts...

Here are some of the disturbing facts surrounding Barack Hussein Obama's ACTUAL BIRTH CERTIFICATE — not rumors, not wild theories — just the FACTS.

FACT #1: Article 2, Section 1, of the Constitution of the United States, SPECIFICALLY states, "No person except a natural born citizen of the United States, at the time of adoption of this Constitution, shall be eligible to the office of President..." It's NOT a technicality, or lunacy on the part of our Founding Fathers. It is a specific statement within a document that forms the basis for ALL of our laws and not open to interpretation (unless the entire Constitution should be now open to interpretation).

FACT #2: In order to be a "natural born citizen," you must be born in the United States or, if you are born abroad, you CAN (if specific circumstances are met) inherit citizenship status from your parents. If he was born abroad, then that's a problem for Barack Hussein Obama because his father was NOT a citizen of the United States and his mother had not lived in the United States the required amount of time after attaining the age of consent when Obama was born - meaning SHE COULD NOT pass her citizenship on to Obama.

FACT #3: If Barack Hussein Obama WAS NOT born in the United States, he IS NOT a "natural born citizen" and if that is the case, Obama is guilty of perpetuating the most massive fraud in the history of the United States!

FACT #4: Barack Hussein Obama has ACTIVELY REFUSED to show his ACTUAL BIRTH CERTIFICATE to the people who elected him. Under Hawaiian law, only Obama can legally release the document but HE JUST WON'T DO IT! Why not?

FACT #5: Obama has multiple teams of lawyers helping him shield the document from the prying eyes of the American people. Why?

FACT #6: Instead of producing an ACTUAL BIRTH CERTIFICATE, Team Obama produced another document — a "Certification of Live Birth" — and said, in effect, "Here's his Birth Certificate! Now shut up!"

And when it comes to FACT #6, Team Obama engaged in a sleight-of-hand that is going unnoticed by the American people, because the liberal media refuses to scrutinize the actions of Barack Hussein Obama.

A CERTIFICATION of Live Birth and a Birth Certificate (A CERTIFICATE of Live Birth)... [notice the difference in the words "certification" and "certificate"] ARE TWO TOTALLY DIFFERENT DOCUMENTS.

A CERTIFICATION of Live Birth - the document that Team Obama produced - is a document that essentially proves that you exist and Barack Hussein Obama most certainly EXISTS - that point is not in dispute.

A CERTIFICATE of Live Birth (an ACTUAL BIRTH CERTIFICATE) - on the other hand contains more information. It gives the specific location of your birth, the hospital, the time of birth, the attending physician etc.

For purposes of illustration see the images below. The image on the left is the CERTIFICATION of Live Birth that Team Obama released and the image on the right is a redacted copy of an actual CERTIFICATE of Live Birth (an ACTUAL BIRTH CERTIFICATE) from the State of Hawaii from approximately the same time that Obama was born.

[SORRY, I COULDN'T GET THE IMAGES TO COPY OVER]

So what's the big deal?

Simply put, a CERTIFICATION of Live Birth CAN contain ERRORS.

The State of Hawaii provides a concrete example of this point! Hawaii maintains programs to encourage property ownership for native Hawaiians.

And pursuant to those programs, the Hawaii Department of Home Lands (DHHL) states the following on its website:

"In order to process your application, DHHL utilizes information that is found only on the original Certificate of Live Birth, which is either black or green. This is a more complete record of your birth than the Certification of Live Birth (a computer-generated printout). Submitting the original Certificate of Live Birth will save you time and money since the computer-generated Certification requires additional verification by DHHL."

If the State of Hawaii DOES NOT accept its own CERTIFICATION of Live Birth as proof that an individual was actually born in Hawaii, why should we? If Hawaii REQUIRES an ACTUAL BIRTH CERTIFICATE , WHY SHOULDN'T WE??

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Transparency Indeed...

Article 2, Section 1, of the Constitution of the United States, states in part, "No person except a natural born citizen of the United States, at the time of adoption of this Constitution, shall be eligible to the office of President."

That means neither Arnold Schwarzenegger nor George Soros can be President of the United States. Not EVER! Neither can Osama bin Laden. It also means, as previously stated, that IF Barack Obama was born outside the United States, he is not eligible to be President of the United States.

And Obama's paternal grandmother said, she was present at Obama's birth, which took place in Mombasa in what is now Kenya.

So where was Obama born?

Only an ACTUAL BIRTH CERTIFICATE can answer that question (not the Certification of Live Birth that Obama produced) — and Obama has multiple teams of lawyers dedicated to the proposition that nobody — but NOBODY — gets to see the one document that can clear up this controversy. That's INSANE!

It's OUTRAGEOUS that Obama continues to cover up the document! IT'S IMPOSSIBLE NOT TO CONCLUDE THAT HE'S HIDING SOMETHING!

In his grandiose MEMORANDUM FOR THE HEADS OF EXECUTIVE DEPARTMENTS AND AGENCIES, Obama proclaimed:

"SUBJECT: Transparency and Open Government: My Administration is committed to creating an unprecedented level of openness in Government. We will work together to ensure the public trust and establish a system of transparency, public participation, and collaboration. Openness will strengthen our democracy and promote efficiency and effectiveness in Government."

Just pretty words. They mean absolutely nothing to Barack Obama, the non-transparent president — IF INDEED HE IS THE PRESIDENT.

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Is This Whole Controversy Such A Big Deal Or Much Ado About Nothing?

IT WAS for John McCain!

You may still remember that the liberal media make a HUGE DEAL out of the fact that McCain was born in the Canal Zone, while his father, a Naval officer, was stationed there. The liberal media relentlessly questioned whether or not McCain met the constitutional test?

But John McCain - unlike Obama - released all relevant records!

While the Canal Zone was not American soil, McCain's parents were both American citizens who had resided in the United States for the required number of years after having reached the age of majority! McCain was good to go.

Can we say the same for Obama? And why isn't the liberal media asking that question?

Strangely, it may have been the liberal media's willingness to savage McCain over the issue that eventually brought this whole controversy to light.

When Obama's grandmother claimed Obama was born in Kenya, the McCain controversy was still fresh in the minds of people who wondered - and are still wondering - why the same standard was NOT being applied to Obama.

But, as the American people are coming to know, you are simply not allowed to criticize or scrutinize "the messiah" or hold "the chosen one" up to any standard.

Now, just raising what was a legitimate question in regards to John McCain makes you a conspiracy theorist or nut when it comes to Obama.

Please understand, no one is saying that Obama is NOT a "natural born citizen." What we're saying is we just don't KNOW, BECAUSE BARACK "MR. TRANSPARENCY" OBAMA WILL NOT RELEASE HIS ACTUAL BIRTH CERTIFICATE.

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More Questions....

Not to confound or confuse the issue but here's a complicating twist: the State of Hawaii permits parents to obtain a "birth certificate," EVEN IF THE CHILD WAS NOT BORN IN HAWAII.

Below is the relevant statute:

"[§338-17.8] Certificates for children born out of State. (a) Upon application of an adult or the legal parents of a minor child, the director of health shall issue a birth certificate for such adult or minor, provided that proof has been submitted to the director of health that the legal parents of such individual while living without the Territory or State of Hawaii had declared the Territory or State of Hawaii as their legal residence for at least one year immediately preceding the birth or adoption of such child."

When queried, Dr Chiyome Fukino, with Hawaii's Department of Health, stated:

"Therefore, I as Director of Health for the State of Hawaii, along with the Registrar of Vital Statistics who has statutory authority to oversee and maintain these type of vital records, have personally seen and verified that the Hawaii State Department of Health has Sen. Obama's original birth certificate on record in accordance with state policies and procedures."

Okay, an ACTUAL BIRTH CERTIFICATE exists. Great... why can't the American people see it since it will clearly indicate the specific place of birth?

As for Obama's inner circle, they offer a quick, arrogant reply to anyone who asks about the rumors surrounding Obama's birth certificate (and this is a direct quote):

"All I can tell you is that it is just pure garbage."

Writer Jerome Corsi, pursuing this story, raised the following question: "If Barack Obama was born in Africa, wouldn't there be a birth certificate on file there?" So Corsi hopped a plane to Kenya, where he spent most of his time in a holding area, the next thing to a prisoner. His hotel room was ransacked. He was questioned by the police. But he was never permitted to search for a birth certificate.

Maybe he didn't reckon on Obama's cousin, Raila Odinga. Covering up a birth would have been a piece of cake to Odinga, who has been charged with ethnic cleansing against Kenyan Christians.

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Even More Questions....

Janet Porter, writing for WorldNetDaily.com, raises additional issues. This may be convoluted, but it is well-worth examining, if only to see the tangled web Obama has woven for himself and the American people.

"'There's the matter that Obama traveled to Indonesia, Pakistan, Southern India and Kenya in 1981. He said he went to Indonesia to see his mother. This seemed plausible, except for the fact that his mother returned to Hawaii in August of 1980 to file for a divorce from her second husband, Lolo Soetoro. Unless she went back to pal around with the man she divorced, she wasn't there at the time of Obama's visit."

"'There's another problem. No record of Obama holding an American passport prior to the one he received once becoming a U.S. senator has been found. If he traveled to Pakistan with an American passport, he wouldn't have been allowed in — since Pakistan was in turmoil in 1981 and under martial law. It was also on the State Department's travel ban list for U.S. citizens.... If he couldn't get into Pakistan with a U.S. passport, perhaps he went there with an Indonesian passport. But the only way you can get one of those is if you are an Indonesian citizen.'"

Remember how Dan Rather and CBS News took a lie about George Bush's military service record and twisted it into a major news story? Remember how the New York Times put an old rumor about John McCain on its front page and tried to make it a major issue in the campaign?

In sharp contrast, see how the New York Times and CBS News have run from this story like a rabbit runs from a coyote.

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Saving The United States Of America....

If Obama was in fact born in Kenya, the information may save the United States from bankruptcy: Since Obama's inauguration on Jan. 20, stocks have plummeted to catastrophic lows.

The Dow has fallen 20.4 percent. Investors have lost an estimated $2.5 trillion in market value.

All because an arrogant young man — obsessed with 19th century Marxism — is trying to wreck the United States of America.

But suppose he isn't legally president after all? Then that fact would surely nullify all his official acts, and acts he plans to put into place, including the following: His recent executive order rescinding the Mexico City Policy and committing U.S. taxpayers to fund abortion worldwide;

His upcoming appointments, including FCC members who might attempt to shut down conservative talk radio;

Any treaty he might sign that would weaken our defenses in an increasingly dangerous world;

And the signing of legislation giving amnesty to illegal aliens.

[Mr. K]

"He would simply be removed by US Marshals. "

wow woud that be fun to watch...

[ROLF of the HILL COUNTRY]

You’re exactly right, on ALL counts!

It’s just plain unbelievable that the American people haven’t surrounded the Supreme Court building demanding that this be resolved!

[Frantzie]

Orly Taitz said a private investigator used Lexus Nexus database (used by all law firms and big corps) and they found hundreds of Barrack Obama’s with SS #’s around the USA. The mother apparently had access at the bank to SS info or something. One BO is or was 118 years old.

Why? The only thing I can think of is SS scams or voting scams???

Imagine if you collected SS from dozens of dead people? $400 a month x 80 = $32,000 a month? Were these people the biggest grifters in the world? Sounds like some Nigerian/Kenyan scam.

[ROLF of the HILL COUNTRY]

It is both. But it’s silly to quibble! LOL!

[brewcrew]

And if he were to be removed because he was never legally the president, all the legislation he signed would be invalid — including the stimulus and abhorrent executive orders.

A guy can dream, can't he? :)

[Raster Man]

He traveled on an Indonesian passport. Soetoro legally adopted him (hence 0bama’s name is legally Soetoro) and moved to Indinesia. 0bama atended a grade school for Indonesian citizens only. He visited Pakistan for a summer during college and had to have used an Indonesian passport. He enrolled at Occidental College under the foreign student scholarship program (why do you think he won’t release his transcripts).

[brewcrew]

wow woud that be fun to watch...

Yes, indeed.

Think we'd get some advance warning? Maybe have "Get Out Of Our House" parties all across the land, similar to the Super Bowl.

I hope they would cover it in HiDef. :)

[mo]

“Imagine if you collected SS from dozens of dead people? $400 a month x 80 = $32,000 a month...”

Ya know..I’ve often suspected that were we the people to get hold of the SS computers....we’d find

1) lots of folks with (D)after their names haven’t paid into it for decades

2) Probably millions of scamsters doing just what you’ve observed.

[FreeAtlanta]

Ideally, he will take the whole Democrat party down with him without taking down the country and the world. It is going to be a scary 4 years.

[TheCipher]

So, perhaps the fact that the FBI is not investigating and issuing criminal indictments is a reflection of the fact that Orly does not have what she says she has.

She has released it and in fact has submitted it to the Attorney General last week. Here is the report. To find the section on the SS numbers, do a word search on Sankey.

Now some of these could just be someone with the same name. However, below are three taken out of the list. They are definitely him.There are more that match his known addresses in Chicago and DC. The 042 prefix of the SS number indicates it was issued out of Conn.

Name - OBAMA, BARACK HUSSEIN

Gender - Male

Street Address - 300 MASSACHUSETTS AVE NW

City, State, Zip - WASHINGTON DC 20001-2629

Probable Current Address - No

Telephone -

Telephone Accountholder -

Social Security - 042-68-xxxx

Age -

Date of Birth -

Deceased - No

Date Record Verified - Sep 05

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Name - OBAMA, BARACK HUSSEIN

Gender - Male

Street Address - PO BOX 49798

City, State, Zip - CHICAGO IL 60649

Probable Current Address - No

Telephone - 773-684-4809 - CST

Telephone Accountholder -

Social Security - 042-68-xxxx

Age - 47

Date of Birth - Aug 04, 1961

Deceased - No

Date Record Verified - Sep 99

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Name - OBAMA, BARACK H

Gender - Male

Street Address - 5324 S KIMBARK AVE

City, State, Zip - CHICAGO IL 60615-5287

Probable Current Address - No

Telephone -

Telephone Accountholder -

Social Security - 042-68-xxxx

Age - 47

Date of Birth - Aug 04, 1961

Deceased - No

Date Record Verified - Jun 88 - Dec 90

Report

[masadaman]

It is also possible that the long form birth certificate is a non-issue and, courtesy of Leo Donofrio(www.naturalborncitizen.wordpress.com), a diversion big-time.

The real issue is that BHO Sr. was a British subject/citizen at the time of junior’s birth and such parenthood apart from place of birth prevents one from being a natural born citizen. Otherwise, the Constituion would not have the natural born requirement solely for President and Vice President, effectively planting double loyalty conditions, one of birth and one of parentage.

[nathanbedford]

Why do you think the court has not yet touched this matter and why do you think the court will not touch the matter but declare it a political question?

Because the Supreme Court knows it does not have the physical power to order the president to do anything. How many divisions does SCOTUS have?

The Supreme Court entered orders over the forced removal of the Cherokees along the trail of tears but President Jackson simply ignored their orders and did as he pleased. I'm old enough to remember that there was some doubt whether President Eisenhower would enforce the Supreme Court's orders respecting the integration of the schools in Arkansas.

The Supreme Court is painfully aware that ultimately its power is only as strong as the disposition of the people, the elected officials, and the Armed Forces to follow the court.

If the Supreme Court were to send federal marshals to the White House they would never get past the Secret Service or the Marine standing guard outside the Oval Office. The Supreme Court will not open itself to issuing unenforceable orders. It is not going to go verging into grave questions of state which they cannot control and might even lead to civil war

Moreover, there is ample legal precedent for the Supreme Court to take this position and quite properly so. After all, the matter could have been handled by the political parties themselves, by the secretaries of state of the individual states which certified candidates or ballots, or when they certified the election results, or by the political party in convention, or by the House of Representatives and the Senate. The Supreme Court is not the only venue for resolving disputes in America and it is not the venue for deciding "political" questions at all.

Make no mistake, I am as troubled by you are by Obama's inexplicable refusal to produce his birth certificate. Common sense tells me that there is only one explanation for this. However, I do not see much hope of any successful legal maneuver this administration and none whatsoever unless Republicans can take the Congress in 2010 in that body.

Our best hope is to set up a control process which bars the mountebank from reelection.Meanwhile, we should continue every legal challenge possible-I could be wrong-and beat the drum ceaselessly.

[EternalVigilance]

Who knew that the Court was such a paper tiger?

Maybe someone should have told all the Republican chief executives who over the last decade have been kowtowing to each and every unconstitutional opinion of the courts.

[TheCipher]

Interesting. But if the SC did decide he was ineligible, don't you think that would make him powerless as far as legislation goes ? If he signed a law, someone could bring a suit saying the law was unconstitutional because he signed it and SCOTUS would have to agree.

[brewcrew]

I’m just sayin’ that’s how it SHOULD work - all in theory, of course.

[TheCipher]

Also, this goes with my post above, you did ask :

How many divisions does SCOTUS have?

All of them. Because part of legislation that O would have to sign would be the budget. If no budget gets passed, no funding for the military, which means the troops don't get paid. And when the troops don't get paid ......

[nathanbedford]

Not necessarily.

Consider the complications of undoing legislation which has been on the books and executive orders which will have existed for years. We have never convicted a president in impeachment but I do not think that such a conviction would result in the undoing of his actions while in office. The court might find that since he was Procedurally duly elected and sworn in, his actions in office will stand. On the other hand the court could hold as you suggest that his actions are void, ab initio . But this would imply many things besides just the repeal of statutes and executive orders. What about contracts? Do recipients of the medal of freedom have to give them back? What about all the reliance that individuals, governments and businesses have placed on the statutes, executive orders, and executive agreements entered into? A very, very thorny situation.

And one more reason why it is unlikely that the court will simply issue an order ejecting a president.

[murron]

Couldn’t someone do some investigating and find out where these 3 people are currently to see if they really are 3 separate individuals? If they cannot be located, then that would be quite a story.

[epow]

Can he be impeached over ineligibility ?

Do you really think that a 60/40 Democrat House of Representatives would impeach a Democrat president? Even if it did, would a Senate with a similar Democrat majority convict him? Not even in our wildest dreams.

Kenya's favorite son could slash Little Red Riding Hood's throat with a razor on the floor of the House while it's in session and they wouldn't charge him with anything.

[nathanbedford]

I understand. All of this is completely uncharted.