Posted on 09/27/2023 3:26:45 AM PDT by RomanSoldier19
The Chinese philosopher Lao Tzu once (nearly) said: “The journey of a thousand miles starts with a single dash line”.
Recent Chinese activities in the South China Sea and Beijing’s claims of “indisputable sovereignty” inside the nine-dash line of China’s unilateral making show every sign of them taking this mantra seriously.
The latest Chinese stunt was to place a buoyed net around the Scarborough shoal to prevent Filipino fishing there. Almost immediately the Philippine coast guard dismantled it but the minute their fishing boats returned they were aggressively intercepted by the Chinese Coast Guard.
In terms of violating internationally recognised laws this is the equivalent of the Danes coming across to the Dogger Bank in the North Sea, throwing a net barrier around it and claiming we, the Dutch and the Germans were no longer allowed to fish there. It would be absurd if it wasn’t so serious.
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When the Japanese bombed Pearl Harbor the entire concept of Naval Warfare changed from Battleships to Air Craft Carriers, to some degree that’s still true today, but is rapidly changing.
The war in Ukraine has shown how vulnerable warships can be, things like underwater drones, robotic jet skis loaded down with explosives, over the horizon anti-ship missiles, etc. have all made navy ships vulnerable.
China supposedly has significantly more war ships than the USA, their navy is concentrated in areas around the South China Sea, augmented with man made islands where airplanes can operate from.
I’m certainly not a naval warfare expert, but the US Navy could be very vulnerable trying to fight back in that situation, unless they combined forces with other nations in the area, Japan, Australia, South Korea, Vietnam and the Philippines.
I wonder how the American Pubic would react if a Aircraft Carrier with 5000 sailors and all those planes went to the bottom of the ocean, it would be a catastrophe.
Many people expect a naval war with China to be basically aimed at supply chains that are not close to China. They don’t seem good at power projection and have depended on the US to keep the sea lanes open. If the US decides to cut off their access to oil from the Middle East, resources from Africa, or food from wherever, China will be in real trouble. It would not be hard for us, and would not likely involve a lot of actual naval battles. China is heavily dependent on both import and export and they are vulnerable in this way.
“The war in Ukraine has shown how vulnerable warships can be, things like underwater drones, robotic jet skis loaded down with explosives, over the horizon anti-ship missiles, etc. have all made navy ships vulnerable.”
Do you have any tangible examples to back this up? especially since 99% of the “news” that we are hearing from “ukraine” is pure media propaganda. you know, like the groups of ukranian farmer peasants with pitchforks destroying columns of Russian tanks.........
You dont need “ukraine” to show us anything new under the sun. I would say the USS cole attack in 2000 is a great example of warship vulnerability...........I’m sure theres plenty more I’m not aware of.
BTTT
Just a few articles I found.
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-66373052
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IKxQLwErLF8
https://news.usni.org/2022/10/11/suspected-ukrainian-explosive-sea-drone-made-from-jet-ski-parts
Even though we know both sides are waging massive propaganda wars against each other, we do know that UAVs have been used extensively in the war.
It only makes sense to adapt them to operate in water.
Even if you can’t sink a ship, you can damage it enough to put it out of action or to back off putting it out of range with a relatively few cheap drones especially when the enemy has little to no defense against it.
Thank you for sending.
Do we know if any of these UAV’s etc have actually been used with success?
from the naval news article, there is a sinking of a ship called the Moskva which of course is clouded in disinformation, but from wikipedia (which may very well be disinformation in itself), it was destroyed by a traditional anti-ship missile, not a jetski/drone or other new tactic of modern warfare.
...cut off their access to oil from the Middle East, resources from Africa, or food from wherever, China will be in real trouble.
The powers around China could effectively block all shipping in and out of China. The thing to remember is China is not a self sustaining nation. Cut off western money flow, cut off raw material, cut off exports and China is a nation of a Billion people with no way to feed themselves.
Why, two reason corruption from top down and central planning from top down. Now if China was a true capitalist country I would be worried because they do have the ability to be powerful, but with the level of corruption it will not happen (without aid from Western Leaders).
US is very dependent on ships for transporting everything from oil to medical supplies.
If WW3 broke out, I think we’d find ourselves in a world of hurt if no ship is safe at sea.
No surprise here, the CCP paid Biden to keep American Navy out of that area.
What else would anyone expect from the "woke" armed forces?
Obviously the condition of America's "woke" and weakened military--and everything else--is not lost on America's enemies, both domestic and foreign, whose objective is the destruction of the USA.
What will it take to awaken the "woke"?
Will they still be voting Democrat and singing the praises of America's enemies as the USA falls and they with it?
“Do you have any tangible examples “
In this digital age anything can be fabricated and presented with the appearance of extreme legitimacy. IMO the propaganda regarding Ukraine is coming from all sides. It’s really difficult what to believe.
Regarding the Chinese threat in that sea, IMO it’s very real. The question is how effective is their navy? How vulnerable is ours or allied navies?
I strongly dislike the war in Ukraine, but it is showing us old standards like tanks and ships are apparently quite vulnerable to some very simple weapons. If that can be believed.
I can look around, but I’m sure they have been used, the question is how successfully, is the question and we may not know that for a while.
Despite everything the US has given Ukraine we haven’t given them a Navy or probably much of a defense against Russia’s Navy in the Black Sea.
The Ukrainians to their credit have adapted to use everything they have to attack the Russian Navy. I have no doubt they have suing Jet Ski parts, underwater drones, etc.
Even if the Russians anticipated this tactic, defending against it could prove very difficult.
That's not even an advanced technology. Just a rather simple use of existing know-how.
Drone tech will change the face of naval warfare, just as it will land war.
There is no question that would be true.
If the USA blew up the Nord Stream Pipelines, what impact would it have if someone bombed the Panama Canal and put it out of commission for a couple of years, it would cripple the international trade business.
In a WW III scenario how disruptive would it be if someone took out the Suez and Panama Canals, then mined or shut down the Malacca Straits. Worldwide shipping would grind to a halt, ships could still navigate the world, but it would add weeks if not months and add significant cost to shipping.
I’m sure you’re right but China is likely just as capable of responding in kind.
That’s why I said, the entire way Naval Warfare takes place in the future will likely be far different than today.
It’s not far fetched to think, China or the USA or some other country could develop some type of sea based drone, built a few hundred of them, dropped them in the South China Sea, using a cargo ship, fishing vessel or some other ship that might not be considered a threat.
Those drones armed with AI technology could just float around looking for targets and then swarm an enemy vessel.
I’m just thinking out loud of what could happen given how technology is rapidly advancing, look at Ukraine, using basically off the shelf parts is supposedly building sea based drones out of Jet Ski parts. It’s hard to imagine what a more advanced country like China or the USA could do.
China owns The Big Guy.Ibn fact,China owns the entire Rat Party. China knows,Rat Party Headquarters knows it and everyone else who’s been paying attention knows it. So the Navy’s having backed down is expected.
A large number of our ships would be safe because they are not fit to put out to sea in the first place, due to delay of maintenance, cannibalization for spare parts, faulty parts, lack of qualified crew. Yeah, the US Navy right now can’t get the Marines to a hotspot in a timely fashion, but they are going to stop the Chinese in The South China Sea?
Grow up.
“In terms of violating internationally recognised laws this is the equivalent of the Danes coming across to the Dogger Bank in the North Sea, throwing a net barrier around it and claiming we, the Dutch and the Germans were no longer allowed to fish there. It would be absurd if it wasn’t so serious.”
It is only the beginning of the provocations. The first “volley”, so to speak. The ChiComs know there’s a chance that Trump might get back in power, so they will push their agenda forward now, while they still can. It’s going to be a ‘very bumpy’ year. In every way possible.
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