Posted on 08/08/2002 7:15:29 AM PDT by Dan from Michigan
Edited on 05/07/2004 7:12:35 PM PDT by Jim Robinson. [history]
So far this year, 10 Detroit-area children were killed by guns. How can we, as a community and a state, stop this rising tide of gun violence?
Other communities that have stood at the dangerous intersection of young people and guns provide a good lesson. The similarities between school shootings in Littleton, Colo., and Erfurt, Germany, are striking -- troubled kids, access to guns and unbearable tragedy. Even more striking: the difference between the two countries' responses.
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If you should decide to hunt migratory birds, don't leave home without it, a big no no, though I admit there's no logic to it that I can understand.
If you should decide to hunt migratory birds, don't leave home without it, a big no no, though I admit there's no logic to it that I can understand.
Jessica Flag, spokeswoman for the 4% of a Million Mom March, Washington, DC, May, 2000, Gore-for-President rally
In WWII, the USA rounded up people who were a threat to our national security.
In Littleton, two teenagers gunned down 13 schoolmates and teachers before killing themselves. The law prohibited the underage Columbine High School killers from owning their private arsenal, including a semiautomatic weapon. But the consistent failure of state legislatures or the federal government to implement strong enforcement mechanisms -- like universal background checks, the licensing of gun owners and firearm registration -- made it easy for them to get their guns. All it took was a friend to pick up the murder weapons at a local gun show -- a friend who later testified that she never would have bought the guns if she had been subject to a background check.
In the Erfurt case, Germany's gun laws were also insufficient to keep firearms out of the hands of a disturbed youth. Despite a history of troubles at school, a 17-year-old was legally authorized to own the 9mm handgun and pump-action rifle that he used to kill 17 people, including students, teachers, a policeman and himself. He obtained a German firearms license with relative ease -- no psychological examination required.
What she is very carefully not saying is that German already had all of the laws - universal background checks, the licensing of gun owners and firearm registration, that she says would have prevented Columbine.
I thought she passed a background check. The anti gun lobby has been pushing that "gun show loophole" lie for so long they believe their own lies now.
As though, in blithe ignorance of history, tradition, and common sense, they're consumed by the need to reinvent every wheel?
You are supposed to be able to remove it ( the law requires only that disassembly be required to remove it so that you can't flip it back in on seeing a game warden ).
...made it easy for them to get their guns. All it took was a friend to pick up the murder weapons at a local gun show -- a friend who later testified that she never would have bought the guns if she had been subject to a background check...Was this woman born stupid, or did she have to work at it? She implies that background checks and "psychological exams" would have prevented the Columbine disaster?...Despite a history of troubles at school, a 17-year-old was legally authorized to own the 9mm handgun and pump-action rifle that he used to kill 17 people, including students, teachers, a policeman and himself. He obtained a German firearms license with relative ease -- no psychological examination required....
...The new (German) laws don't preclude private ownership of guns, they just include common-sense measures: raising the age of ownership for firearms from 18 to 21; requiring that people under 25 seeking to purchase a gun pass a psychological examination; and banning pump-action guns....
I can't figure out where she's going with this. Her position is so disjointed that it makes even less sense than the premise starts with.
Because of the issues raised in the wake of Columbine, she wants to have legislation pushed through that would "close the loophole," as she puts it, that would limit gunshow registration. Then she wants to raise the age of ownership from 18 to 21; Finally she wants to ban pump action guns?
Can anyone see the path she's trying to take? This looks more like a "scatter-gun" approach (pun not intended) to ultimately try to ramrod a total ban through.
Let's take this point by point.
As with the poverty pimps, the gun grabbers use emotion to cloud the thinking of people who would otherwise have a reasoned and logical response to her suggestions. Only this time, she tries to point to Germany and say "See! They've got more sense than we do!"
I wonder what'll happen next time someone breaks into her home...
More lies, as this has been well-debunked already by Dave Kopel as I recall. The guns he was charged with smuggling were not obtained at gun shows but regular transactions. Lying witch.
Come on, man. Do you really think the point is to stop violence? The point is to disarm the citizenry. That's why they don't enforce the current gun laws or put rapists and murderers away for good. That's why you're in a hell of a lot more trouble if you defend yourself from an attack than you are if you attack someone. The more dangerous the streets, the more people are willing to give up their freedom for safety.
The way I figure it, using the MMM figure of 30,000 gun deaths a year, we have 333 and a third years before we catch up to the 10 Million citizens exterminated by those sensible Germans in the '30s and '40s.
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