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Why wait to tackle gun violence? (MMM's Dees-Thomasas and MPPGV wants to ban PUMP ACTION GUNS)
Detroit Free Press ^ | August 8 | Donna Dees-Thomasas and Carolynne Jarvis

Posted on 08/08/2002 7:15:29 AM PDT by Dan from Michigan

Edited on 05/07/2004 7:12:35 PM PDT by Jim Robinson. [history]

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To: VRWCmember
I don't have a complaint but it just seemed silly. However your explanation clears this up. I am not hunting migratory birds but some varmits around my place; not game or protected animals.
21 posted on 08/08/2002 7:41:19 AM PDT by RichardW
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To: RichardW
Do you want to hear something really stupid? Yesterday I purchased a Mossberg "pump action" shotgun. It comes fitted with a wooden dowel to prevent more than two shells from being inserted in order to protect "migrating birds."

If you should decide to hunt migratory birds, don't leave home without it, a big no no, though I admit there's no logic to it that I can understand.

22 posted on 08/08/2002 7:47:23 AM PDT by SJackson
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To: Dan from Michigan; Vic3O3
Bump
23 posted on 08/08/2002 7:48:07 AM PDT by dd5339
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To: RichardW
Do you want to hear something really stupid? Yesterday I purchased a Mossberg "pump action" shotgun. It comes fitted with a wooden dowel to prevent more than two shells from being inserted in order to protect "migrating birds."

If you should decide to hunt migratory birds, don't leave home without it, a big no no, though I admit there's no logic to it that I can understand.

24 posted on 08/08/2002 7:49:13 AM PDT by SJackson
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To: Dan from Michigan
"Violence is never the answer.If someone comes at you with a knife or gun, say 'I know you're upset.' We all want to be valued as human beings."

Jessica Flag, spokeswoman for the 4% of a Million Mom March, Washington, DC, May, 2000, Gore-for-President rally

25 posted on 08/08/2002 7:49:23 AM PDT by pabianice
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To: chance33_98
Ever notice that the people against owning guns in America are also supporting the terrorists?

In WWII, the USA rounded up people who were a threat to our national security.

26 posted on 08/08/2002 7:55:18 AM PDT by Hunble
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To: Dan from Michigan

In Littleton, two teenagers gunned down 13 schoolmates and teachers before killing themselves. The law prohibited the underage Columbine High School killers from owning their private arsenal, including a semiautomatic weapon. But the consistent failure of state legislatures or the federal government to implement strong enforcement mechanisms -- like universal background checks, the licensing of gun owners and firearm registration -- made it easy for them to get their guns. All it took was a friend to pick up the murder weapons at a local gun show -- a friend who later testified that she never would have bought the guns if she had been subject to a background check.

In the Erfurt case, Germany's gun laws were also insufficient to keep firearms out of the hands of a disturbed youth. Despite a history of troubles at school, a 17-year-old was legally authorized to own the 9mm handgun and pump-action rifle that he used to kill 17 people, including students, teachers, a policeman and himself. He obtained a German firearms license with relative ease -- no psychological examination required.

What she is very carefully not saying is that German already had all of the laws - universal background checks, the licensing of gun owners and firearm registration, that she says would have prevented Columbine.

27 posted on 08/08/2002 7:59:12 AM PDT by jdege
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To: Dan from Michigan
a friend who later testified that she never would have bought the guns if she had been subject to a background check.

I thought she passed a background check. The anti gun lobby has been pushing that "gun show loophole" lie for so long they believe their own lies now.

28 posted on 08/08/2002 8:09:52 AM PDT by NEPA
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To: Dan from Michigan
don't miss the Gun Defense Clock!
29 posted on 08/08/2002 8:11:59 AM PDT by WindMinstrel
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To: Dan from Michigan
Ever notice how strong the correlation is between women who hyphenate their surnames, like Donna Dees-Thomasas, and a confused mental state?

As though, in blithe ignorance of history, tradition, and common sense, they're consumed by the need to reinvent every wheel?



30 posted on 08/08/2002 8:12:28 AM PDT by Sabertooth
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To: RichardW
Federal law requires that a shotgun being used to hunt migratory waterfowl hold no more than 3 shells ( except for some special seasons ). Mossburg was doing you a favor by selling you the means to block the magazine and easily comply with the law. By the way, many states have similar laws for upland game birds.

You are supposed to be able to remove it ( the law requires only that disassembly be required to remove it so that you can't flip it back in on seeing a game warden ).

31 posted on 08/08/2002 8:13:49 AM PDT by spqrzilla9
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To: Dan from Michigan
...made it easy for them to get their guns. All it took was a friend to pick up the murder weapons at a local gun show -- a friend who later testified that she never would have bought the guns if she had been subject to a background check...

...Despite a history of troubles at school, a 17-year-old was legally authorized to own the 9mm handgun and pump-action rifle that he used to kill 17 people, including students, teachers, a policeman and himself. He obtained a German firearms license with relative ease -- no psychological examination required....

...The new (German) laws don't preclude private ownership of guns, they just include common-sense measures: raising the age of ownership for firearms from 18 to 21; requiring that people under 25 seeking to purchase a gun pass a psychological examination; and banning pump-action guns....

Was this woman born stupid, or did she have to work at it? She implies that background checks and "psychological exams" would have prevented the Columbine disaster?

I can't figure out where she's going with this. Her position is so disjointed that it makes even less sense than the premise starts with.

Because of the issues raised in the wake of Columbine, she wants to have legislation pushed through that would "close the loophole," as she puts it, that would limit gunshow registration. Then she wants to raise the age of ownership from 18 to 21; Finally she wants to ban pump action guns?

Can anyone see the path she's trying to take? This looks more like a "scatter-gun" approach (pun not intended) to ultimately try to ramrod a total ban through.

Let's take this point by point.

This moron thinks that people are stupid. She must if she thinks this is anything that a rational, thinking person could agree with.

As with the poverty pimps, the gun grabbers use emotion to cloud the thinking of people who would otherwise have a reasoned and logical response to her suggestions. Only this time, she tries to point to Germany and say "See! They've got more sense than we do!"

I wonder what'll happen next time someone breaks into her home...

32 posted on 08/08/2002 8:14:06 AM PDT by mhking
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To: Dan from Michigan
Meanwhile, gun shows have become a reliable source of weapons used in crime and terrorism. In Michigan, Ali Boumelhem, linked to the terrorist organization Hezbollah, was convicted Sept. 10 of conspiring to smuggle guns and ammunition to Lebanon. Federal agents testified they saw him buying weapons at three gun shows.

More lies, as this has been well-debunked already by Dave Kopel as I recall. The guns he was charged with smuggling were not obtained at gun shows but regular transactions. Lying witch.

33 posted on 08/08/2002 8:17:34 AM PDT by spqrzilla9
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To: OldFriend
What next, banning bricks. The two men murdered in Chicago were bashed to death by neighborhood punks using bricks.

Come on, man. Do you really think the point is to stop violence? The point is to disarm the citizenry. That's why they don't enforce the current gun laws or put rapists and murderers away for good. That's why you're in a hell of a lot more trouble if you defend yourself from an attack than you are if you attack someone. The more dangerous the streets, the more people are willing to give up their freedom for safety.

34 posted on 08/08/2002 8:18:08 AM PDT by Richard Kimball
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To: VRWCmember
does it have to be a wooden dowel or can empty shells be used to keep to the two live shell limit?
35 posted on 08/08/2002 8:18:25 AM PDT by Greeklawyer
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To: spqrzilla9
Thanks for the info. I had a knee jerk reaction to this and didn't know the law. I am not a hunter and plead ignorance. It makes sense now, although I'm sure an enterprising person could figure out how to circumvent it somehow.
36 posted on 08/08/2002 8:19:05 AM PDT by RichardW
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To: Dan from Michigan
There are so many lies and distortions of reality in this article I don't even know where to begin. Perhaps I'll just choose to ignore it.
37 posted on 08/08/2002 8:24:23 AM PDT by BlessingInDisguise
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To: mhking
Only this time, she tries to point to Germany and say "See! They've got more sense than we do!"

The way I figure it, using the MMM figure of 30,000 gun deaths a year, we have 333 and a third years before we catch up to the 10 Million citizens exterminated by those sensible Germans in the '30s and '40s.

38 posted on 08/08/2002 8:27:57 AM PDT by gridlock
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To: Dan from Michigan
Just remember the so called "Assault Weapons Ban" expires in September 2004 unless it is renewed by Bush and Congress (which it won't be). I hope I helped to brighten your day!!! BANG!!
39 posted on 08/08/2002 8:28:01 AM PDT by BlessingInDisguise
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To: Sabertooth
Never trust a woman with three names.
40 posted on 08/08/2002 8:34:34 AM PDT by Eric in the Ozarks
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