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Chuck Hagel is Partly Right, But...
08/22/05 | vanity

Posted on 08/22/2005 5:25:34 PM PDT by genefromjersey

Chuck Hagel is Partly Right , but…

Senator Chuck Hagel has been drawing favorable reviews from the “Mainstream Media” for a change - because the Nebraska Republican says Iraq has become another Vietnam ; and that we should just get out of there – the sooner the better.

I respect the Senator’s opinion. He is a combat veteran, and knows more about war than most of us would ever care to hear.

Moreover , he is voicing an increasingly popular sentiment . Most of us would like very much for this whole thing to be over : a sentiment that reminds me of the Vietnam era.

That’s where the Senator and I begin to part company !

Then – as now – there was a Media crusade to end the war. There were peace demonstrations that evolved into riots : sparked then – as they are now – by radical activists : whose “politely-overlooked” goal was the destruction of the United States via left-wing coup d’etat.

There was a group called “Weatherman” that set off bombs ,robbed banks, and killed people. There were assorted race-based groups that did just about anything they could to anybody they could – (and were hailed in the media as “crusaders for equality”).

There was a draft – and there were young people who had the financial resources , or the connections to evade it. Many crossed the border into Canada. One ( who became a US President ) managed to stay in England by joining and then resigning from a Reserve unit.

This meant the burden of fighting the war fell on the poor and powerless: Folks these same draft evaders professed to love.

There were super-annuated “students”, who took over college campuses – all across the country : making it nearly impossible for those who were real students –and who were busting their humps to pay college costs - to complete their schooling, and get on with their lives…again, to the delight of the Media.

In short, the 60’s and 70’s were VERY bad times ; and, at the end , we decided to “cut and run” : leaving the Vietnamese and Cambodians to their fate.

It was a very nasty fate , and it was duly documented by the Media – which decreed it was all OUR fault. We really shouldn’t have built their hopes for freedom up in the first place .

Is this what you have in mind for the people of Iraq, Senator Hagel ?

Should we cut and run to facilitate your re-election campaign ?


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KEYWORDS: chuckhagel; hagel; iraq; media; vietnam; vietnamera
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1 posted on 08/22/2005 5:25:36 PM PDT by genefromjersey
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I respect the Senator’s opinion. He is a combat veteran, and knows more about war than most of us would ever care to hear.

I'm a combat veteran, and I don't respect that opportunistic, back-stabbing piece of crap one bit. He is not partly right. He is completely a disgrace. < / rant >

2 posted on 08/22/2005 5:27:03 PM PDT by Coop (www.heroesandtraitors.org)
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To: genefromjersey

Very nicely stated, genefromjersey.


3 posted on 08/22/2005 5:27:24 PM PDT by syriacus (Cindy's campaign was interrupted by a bad event. But the Iraq campaign is supposed to go perfectly)
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rush did a great job today of ripping hagel's arguments to shreds


4 posted on 08/22/2005 5:28:29 PM PDT by JohnLongIsland
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To: genefromjersey

BTTT!


5 posted on 08/22/2005 5:29:20 PM PDT by afnamvet (Jet Noise...The Sound of Freedom)
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To: genefromjersey
he is voicing an increasingly popular sentiment .

Bullsh*t Gene...stop being a sucker for what you read and see.

6 posted on 08/22/2005 5:30:04 PM PDT by ErnBatavia
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To: genefromjersey

NAM was not lost over there by the grunt in country but by the elitest PUSSIES back home. We had two from that era, both were traitors one worse than the other.


7 posted on 08/22/2005 5:30:23 PM PDT by snowman1
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To: genefromjersey; Coop

I'll second what Coop said. Hagel is a back stabbing, opportunistic SOB.


8 posted on 08/22/2005 5:30:30 PM PDT by TADSLOS (Right Wing Infidel since 1954)
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To: Coop

Coop, as a wounded combat veteran, I echo your sentiments. That POS Hagel does not deserve to get away with politicizing this war for his sole benefit.


9 posted on 08/22/2005 5:30:42 PM PDT by caisson71
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The MSM loves any closet RINO that will throw GWB under the bus

Veteran ?? So What? So was S'Kerry.

He is just an opportunist with his finger in the wind and his nose firmly up the MSM collective butt.

With people like him around, we will be doomed to repeat the past.

10 posted on 08/22/2005 5:33:12 PM PDT by xcamel (Deep Red, stuck in a "bleu" state.)
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To: caisson71; TADSLOS; genefromjersey
In the June 27, 2005 edition of U.S. News & World Report Sen. Chuck Hagel (R-NE), a veteran of the Vietnam War, made the following statement:

"Things aren't getting better; they're getting worse. The White House is completely disconnected from reality. It's like they're just making it up as they go along. The reality is that we're losing in Iraq."

11 posted on 08/22/2005 5:34:46 PM PDT by Coop (www.heroesandtraitors.org)
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Hagel has turned into a perfumed prince who has noone to tell him when he is wrong. We have to vote him off the island after he spends a lot of money like Glenn did.


12 posted on 08/22/2005 5:34:55 PM PDT by Thebaddog (How's yer dogs?)
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Tom Hayden on O'Reilly praised Sen. H for his stand. O'Reilly asked him to acknoledge the millions that died in Cambodia and Vietnam when we pulled out there and TH gulped and changed the subject.


13 posted on 08/22/2005 5:35:32 PM PDT by WildTurkey (When will CBS Retract and Apologize?)
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I respect the Senator’s opinion.

I respect my cat's hacking up of a hair ball......

but I'll be damned if it's gonna be on the couch.

14 posted on 08/22/2005 5:35:32 PM PDT by hole_n_one
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"Moreover, he is voicing an increasingly popular sentiment."

NOT TRUE. FALSE. FALSE. FALSE.

FR thread from yesterday:

Rasmussen poll: 46% say NO to withdrawing troops; 39% say YES.

When you consider LIKEY VOTERS the 39% figure of NO drops to 1/3 or lower.

That's an indication of "increasingly popular?"

Don't think so.

15 posted on 08/22/2005 5:36:40 PM PDT by jdm (The answer to the extra credit question on a Columbia U exam is always choice C: "Bush's Fault.")
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I respect the Senator’s opinion. He is a combat veteran, and knows more about war than most of us would ever care to hear.

And I suppose you think John Kerry and John McCain should be idolized since they probably "know more about war than most of us would ever care to hear". This is really a limp argument and I will continue to base my opinion on war from what I read, hear and see. I don't need someone who has seen war to stand in my place to form my opinion. I have been blessed with a brain that is meant to be used to form my own opinions.

16 posted on 08/22/2005 5:36:43 PM PDT by taxesareforever (Government is running amuck)
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"When you consider LIKEY VOTERS the 39% figure of NO drops to 1/3 or lower."

I meant 39% figure of YES.


17 posted on 08/22/2005 5:37:40 PM PDT by jdm (The answer to the extra credit question on a Columbia U exam is always choice C: "Bush's Fault.")
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He is a combat veteran

then he should be the 1st to know about undermining his own troops.

, and knows more about war than most of us would ever care to hear

let me hear him tell how to WIN a war.... anything short of that, he can keep to himself

18 posted on 08/22/2005 5:38:36 PM PDT by lunarbicep (Gratitude is not only the greatest of virtues, but the parent of all the others - Churchill)
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To: Coop
I'll second what Coop said. Hagel is a back stabbing, opportunistic SOB.

I am third and you are correct!
19 posted on 08/22/2005 5:38:46 PM PDT by HuntsvilleTxVeteran ("In any compromise between good and evil, it is only evil that can profit." AYN RAND)
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My son fought in this war, I guess that makes him more of an expert on Iraq than Hagel, and he doesn't agree with him.


20 posted on 08/22/2005 5:38:46 PM PDT by beandog (Bean the Real Dog - 10/3/90-6/13/05 - Doggie Heaven is Lucky to have you.)
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