OMG!!!! Look at these. Obviously there were helicopters and space ships in ancient Egypt because they are drawn here - 
Posted on 04/12/2007 2:05:00 PM PDT by gcruse
In a retrieval once thought unattainable, scientists have recovered and identified proteins in a bone of a well-preserved Tyrannosaurus rex, a dinosaur that lived and died and was fossilized 68 million years ago.
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Repeated analysis of the T-rex proteins, the researchers said, uncovered new evidence of a link between dinosaurs and birds, a widely held but contentious hypothesis. Three of the seven reconstructed protein sequences were closely related to chickens. The scientists resisted being drawn into speculation on the likely taste of a T-rex drumstick.
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“What is the essential difference between your statement and mine?”
His/hers are based on years and years of accumulated evidence, and yours are based on stupidity and wishful thinking?
This is the one thing I would support cloning...It’s a freakin T-rex we gotta do it!
Proteins don't have "decay rates." Proteins decay, but they do so unevenly depending on the environment. The human proteins in Egyptian mummies, for example, clearly outlast human proteins in other environments.
Clearly this study shows that in certain circumstances, proteins can be preserved for an exceedingly long period of time.
“Well, here we have evidence that either protein decay rates projected back into time are grossly wrong *or* time projections are grossly wrong. Take your pick.”
Give it up man. Sheesh.
Sorry, you don't know the difference between evidence and interpretations of evidence.
The long-ages are assumed and the evidence is interpreted in that context. Just like this protein evidence that shouldn't be there. Just like the blood vessel evidence that shouldn't be there. Just like the dinosaur likenesses that shouldn't be there. Just like the ancient stories that shouldn't be there. It doesn't fit, therefore it is tossed out.
No one ever considers that the dating scheme might be wrong because that is based on wishful thinking. It's the naturalist equivalent of a miracle.
It also lets you dismiss different opinions as stupidity and you like that.
Precisely 68 million years ago? As in not one second before or after? I'm not sure I get your point. Tyrannsoaurs were common throughout the late Cretaceous, so they would have "walked and stalked" 68 million years ago.
The only thing this clearly shows is that you *assume* that 'in certain circumstances, proteins can be preserved for an exceedingly long period of time'.
For without the assumption of 68 MM year age, the notability collapses.
“It also lets you dismiss different opinions as stupidity and you like that.”
No, I don’t like that. But your posts are taking on such a reaching and gigantic silliness factor, that they are becoming unworthy of argument. You can’t poo-poo away the facts here.
That's right. It doesn't matter what evidence is found, the assumption of long-age will always be accepted as fact.
It's unfalsifiable.
OMG!!!! Look at these. Obviously there were helicopters and space ships in ancient Egypt because they are drawn here -
Well, that's what you did.
"But your posts are taking on such a reaching and gigantic silliness factor, that they are becoming unworthy of argument. You can’t poo-poo away the facts here."
The *fact* is that proteins were found where they shouldn't be. Now, the 'interpretation' is that proteins can be preserved *because* the assumption of long-ages must be preserved at all costs.
Since the supposed 'conditions' are unknown, were this really science, the model predicting long-ages would be brought into question. Since the model is a metaphysical belief, the belief is preserved and an appeal is made to unknown 'conditions'.
That you are unable to question your beliefs and choose to appeal to unknown conditions in the face of anomalous evidence shows where the silliness really lies.
Unfortunately, that’s what passes as an acceptable response in your mind.
Mostly because you have no other.
I did.
” That’s right. It doesn’t matter what evidence is found, the assumption of long-age will always be accepted as fact.
It’s unfalsifiable.”
Oh stop it! Are you really saying the age determinations based on numerous scientific investigations are worthless? Let me give you some help here. Revise your arguments, instead of displaying your inability to do so. They could be off some, they could be construed of bad assumptions, but to say they are completely off the mark portrays you in a argumentive light and for arguments sake. As compared to those things that have lead to this article.
The only thing I'm assuming is that these findings were conducted by honest researchers and will stand up to peer review. I'm not sure why you think I'm making an assumption about their age -- the age of the Cretaceous has been firmly established by a variety of absolute and relative dating methods. Do you have any specific criticisms?
ping
and perhaps you will again then.
The dating scheme is not wrong. Fur Shur, if there’d been dinosaurs around at the time of the Neanderthals, they’d still be here, but the Neanderthals wouldn’t.
Is the existence of George Washington a hypothesis? Can you replicate him?
Without missing links, it's dubious.
Thousands (maybe tens of thousands) of missing links exist. Of course every time one is found, two more gaps appear in the fossil record...
With Piltdown Man, it was fraud.
So you're disproving all independent dating methods, because... one guy perpetrated one hoax 80 years ago? I'm confused.
The fossil record has yet to be proven.
What does that mean, that fossils don't exist?
While some scientific techniques are used among the many types of specimen analysis and data extrapolation techniques used by researchers--(many of them honest and nonfraudulent)--stating hypothesis-testing-allegedly-in-progress as scientific facts that happen to verify one's personal theology or atheism is nonetheless serving as priest-advocate, not scientist.
Sir, I don't understand that sentence. Please do us the favor of writing it in English.
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