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Good. Our media already wastes too much time on issues that don’t matter. (demonizing conservatives as it goes, of course)

Britain isn’t going to spurn us because our idiot of a president had a gaffe during a diplomatic meeting. We’re in an economic free-fall. That should be front and center. Stuff like this is third page, small-font business.

Still, we all know that if this was Bush it would be all over the news. The media picked on trivial gaffes he made for 8 years. The double standard is sickening.

The court has the right to strike down a law as unconstitutional, I don’t deny that; but it is unethical to do so unless the constitution is in clear, black-and-white opposition to the law WHEN STRICTLY INTERPRETED.

There’s nothing in the constitution about gay marriage. The voters made their wills known; they should be respected.

Although, if I could have my way, I’d simply get the government out of people’s personal affairs and keep it from meddling in the institution of marriage altogether. Whether two people of the same sex can be wed in holy matrimony should be the private decision of a church or family, not a legislator’s or a judge’s. If the government just stopped meddling where it doesn’t belong, we wouldn’t have to waste time with this stuff.

More decontextualizing Limbaugh by another politician hoping to get their name in the news.

I don’t listen to Limbaugh that much, but if you read the entirety of what he said, it’s perfectly reasonable.

I don’t want Obama’s socialist project to succeed. That’s all. I’m not hoping he does everything wrong; hell, I want the nation to succeed under him—because I want to see my country succeed no matter what. I hope I wake up tomorrow and we’re back to the Bull Market and 1% unemployment forever, and Obama gets some common sense and starts cutting our out-of-control spending. But I DON’T want the nation infected with an iniquitous socialism and oppressive statism. The free market, the heart and soul of the capitalist instinct that is at the heart of this nation, must endure—it is more important than one president. So, in such projects that move the nation in that direction, I want Obama to fail. But that’s the extent of it; that’s what Limbaugh meant, IMO.

I did not read about his views on assault weapons. Please don’t tell me he’s for banning them. I would cry.

And in the midst of all this, Obummer not only wants to RAISE taxes to eliminate wealth, and then spend our money like we were handed it on a silver platter, but he has a budget that believes the economy will cease contracting very, very soon, and expects it to expand like crazy in the near future. Is he even paying attention to what’s going on?

He is going to go down in flames Carter-style, and he’s going to drag this nation down with him.

I think the American “sheeple” are slow to come around, but always do. That has been their nature since the birth of our nation. Right now they are caught up in emotions that Barry exploited to get elected. They will come around, however, when they realize Bummer’s Keynesian economics works about as well as a submarine with a gaping crack in the hull.

I have posted in other threads as well—I’m not a one-issue poster—it’s merely that this issue has come up in more than one thread IN THE SAME DAY, and I find the way people approach it to be inadequate.

But I will say this much: in each thread I have at least attempted to make my argument cogently, without venom, (until someone heaps invective my way) and have recommended alternate strategies through which to make useful headway on the matter.

You, on the other hand—and many in the other thread who unfortunately spout the same inane replies—seem to consist of “lol, ure an Obamabot noob and troll heheh”. As a veteran of this message board, I would expect more from you, because that is an awful excuse for a good response. But, go ahead, do it again—it is the best way to avoid thinking of something substantive to say, after all.

“He’s spewing the same talking points as a noob on another thread. Must be today’s memo.”

This coming from someone whose only talking point seems to be “lol, ure a newb, shutup”.

Quite the convincing argument, I must say. </sarcasm>

But, to fortify my point, I’ll also point out the fact that my argument is also more pertinent in light of what has transpired so far—each of these cases has been dismissed. Judges are unwilling to take cases of this nature, and the evidence, while nothing to scoff at, is also not strong enough to warrant a subpoena. It is enough to arouse suspicion, but you need more than suspicion to get a subpoena; and Obummer appears to be ever-obstinate in his refusal to provide the BC.

Whereas, were we to funnel our resources into a strategy focused on legislation, in a future election—perhaps even the next—we could prevent this all from happening again, and maybe (and that’s a big maybe) get Obama to show us his BC, if we can avoid a grandfather clause.

You pick: waste time on court cases that have gone and will go nowhere, or take that time and use it to pursue a pragmatic strategy that is much more likely to achieve results. A judge is not subject to the pressures of public opinion; a democratically elected lawmaker is.

I would address your sarcasm but any and all posts I submit in my defense do not make it to this thread for whatever reason.

So I’ll just say thank you for the welcome, even if you meant it to be venomous, and hope this reply is at least approved.

Yes, but discovering said fact using forensic analysis had no effect on any of the issues pertinent to the people in Napoleon’s time.

The amount of energy this chews up just makes it fruitless. There are conservatives out there who consistently make this their white whale.

It has become obvious getting at the issue of Obummer’s constitutional eligibility in court is going to be nigh impossible. As other posters have shown, you need not only standing, but you need positive evidence—i.e., you need to have the BC itself, or enough incriminating evidence to legally attain a subpoena. And while enough evidence exists to give a judge pause, pause is not enough for them to craft a subpoena.

A more productive action would be to take it to the legislature. Pressure your state’s senator, or even representatives in the state legislature or the House.

The hours spent filing court documents, attending court dates and getting your case thrown out of court are all wasted hours. Judges can’t be pressured. Spend those hours pressuring—hell, bullying—your representatives and you might get something done, either in regards to future candidates or, if you’re very lucky, retroactively to Obama.

Of course; anyone who thinks this is a waste of time that could be spent on more productive ventures is obviously just a liberal, Obama-loving troll, right?

Do you see how you’ve become a carbon-copy of a 9/11-truther? You think anyone who thinks your actions are fruitless and the evidence far too weak to make it in court is just part of the enemy, part of the conspiracy. “They don’t believe in the conspiracy; they’re obviously working for Them!”

If you read my post, you would see that I advocate taking productive action. You’re not going to shove this through court, period. So we should start initiatives to get legislators to pass laws requiring any potential candidate to produce their BC. If we get a federal law passed, there’s a .0001% chance that we can retroactively force Barry to produce his BC, and then we can know the truth.

And a troll, by definition, is a poster who is solely posting for the purpose of being polemical, with no interest in engaging in a reasoned exchange with other posters. I’m not doing that; I’m just engaging in this debate and expressing an opinion that I think is productive in regards to the discourse occurring in this forum. Keep in mind that you’re the one who is not posting anything substantive. “Being-And-Time is teh Troll n00b” does not add anything to this debate—in fact, it resembles trolling much more than my comments, unfortunately.

Such hypocrisy. Obama says he is “pro-choice” but then he doesn’t even want to let a doctor choose whether it is ethical for him to recommend or carry out an abortion or not.

Where’s the “choice” in that?

The judge is right—we need to drop this and spend our money on something productive—but he should just keep his mouth shut anyway. There’s no need for grandstanding—just do your freaking job and do it impartially and quietly.

As for the BC...as suspicious as things look, when it comes down to it we don’t have any positive proof that his full BC says anything but what he claims it says. One could argue that the COLB on his website is a forgery, but it would just be our computer expert going up against the word of another computer expert that Obummer would drag out of his closet just to “cancel out” his testimony. The case would probably die right there.

All the other evidence is hearsay (except for what’s-her-face’s testimony that she was at Obummer’s birth, but she’d probably change her testimony on the stand anyway) or stuff that just isn’t strong enough to make a case.

We have enough to make Barry look suspicious, but not enough to convict him of anything, and not enough to force him to produce his BC. (i.e., not enough to push a subpoena through court)

Just drop it, people. Go to your local government; appeal to your senator and the federal government; tell them you want to pass a law forcing candidates to produce their BC. Rally behind it. But don’t waste time on this fool’s errand. That’s probably exactly what Obummer wants; I wouldn’t be surprised if he’s withholding it just to distract us, or to spite us—or both.

I can only wish that this will encourage people to drop these fruitless lawsuits and focus on something productive.

Like maybe an initiative to pass laws at the federal or state (or both) levels requiring a candidate’s BC before he/she is able to run.

That would be getting something done. All these lawsuits do is make legitimate conservatives look stupid. We should be above the dumbassery of conspiracy theories that will never amount to anything. That’s for liberals. (anyone talked to a “9/11-truther” lately? They’re still as nuts as they were when they first came up with their paranoid fantasy)

More government interfering with people’s personal affairs. Next thing you know they’ll criminalize anyone who doesn’t believe in Vishnu. And after that they’ll ban interracial marriage.

Liberal idiots.

It’s early. His honeymoon won’t last for long. Once it’s obvious things are only going to get worse under his massive spending, people will start to turn away. In the meantime, hopefully the GOP will return to its fiscally conservative roots instead of clinging to the liberal-in-sheep’s-clothing neocon fiscal policies.

It’s only a political statement if the wearer knows what the Keffiyeh stands for—which is unlikely, given how poorly educated and politically apathetic our youth can be nowadays.

Even if they do, though, they should be free to wear it...but I would hope they would be above wearing something supportive of terrorism.

Although I’ve heard the argument that by making it a popular cultural object it’s possible that you drain the symbol of its original meaning and reduce it to something harmless. (and thus reduce its power, and in turn the power of Hamas) Not sure if I agree, though.

Who cares about being “black” and “conservative”?

Conservatism is open for any person who adheres to its principles. Black, White, Blue, Albino—who cares?

Race is socially constructed anyway; it was and will be forever something artificial. We need to get past race, and take the nation with us. When race is forgotten, people will simply vote in their personal interests—thus prompting them to vote conservative. :-)