Natalee Holloway Extended Discussion Thread 20

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For easier reading, here's the People mag article.
Any typos are mine.

People Magazine- Unhappy Anniversary

1. Is a case against the last three men seen with Natalee any closer to trial? No. Aruban authorities won’t comment. John Q Kelly, attorney for Holloway’s parents, says chief prosecutor Karin Janssen “indicated that unless she had significant new and compelling evidence, she didn’t intend to try any of these three suspects.”

2. On May 17 Guido Wever, a casino croupier at Holloway’s hotel, became the 10th suspect arrested. (Six days later, he was the 10th released.) Are cops just hoping someone will talk? Aruba Today editor Julia Renfro says Wever, 19, is a friend of suspect Joran van der Sloot and “they’re very much focused on Joran and anyone associated with him.”

3. Is there physical evidence? “This is the problem,” says Aruban lawyer Arlene Ellis-Schipper, who has talked with the lead investigator. “She just kind of vanished.”

4. Where are authorities searching for a body? At sea, using sonar. Because the island is either solid volcanic or coral rock, “it’s almost impossible to dispose of a body,” says Kelly, “except on the sand dunes, which have been searched inch by inch.”

5. Do investigators think Natalee might still be alive? No, says Kelly, citing his discussions with the prosecutor’s office.

6. What about talk an Aruban cop slowed the investigation to shield his son, a potential suspect? Says local newspaper editor Jossy Mansur: “That’s not going anywhere.”

7. How about the rumor that a hotel surveillance tape showed Natalee Holloway arguing with someone after the date of her disappearance? Joe Tacopina, the lawyer for van der sloot, says the image is inconclusive. Police will not comment.

8. Is Aruba tourism down since Holloway’s disappearance? There has been a 3.7 percent drop in visitors at the end of March 2006, compared to one year earlier. But tourism officials note that a busy hurricane season and rising hotel and gas prices may have affected consumer spending.

9. What’s up with the civil suit Holloway’s parents filed against van der Sloot, alleging abduction and sexual assault? Hearings were held May 17 to decide if the case should be heard in the US. A decision is expected soon.

10. How is Natalee’s mom, Beth Twitty, keeping her daughter’s story alive? Twitty has been warning high school assemblies in the US of the challenges they face traveling overseas. “When you leave our borders, you leave the protections you take for granted,” she tells them.

1,401 posted on 05/27/2006 11:18:14 AM PDT by RGVTx (Boycott Aruba/NL products list http://ashvickers.tripod.com/id2.html)

1,402 posted on 05/27/2006 11:59:53 AM PDT by MAWG (In the shadows, on permanent ambush duty.)

Remembering Natalee Holloway - One Year Later

Natalee and Beth – Graduation day
Tue, May 24, 2005 - Natalee Holloway graduates *** laude (top 10%) #25 of 300 seniors from Mt Brook HS

Natalee and Dave – Graduation day

Sun, May 29, 2005 - Natalee’s last day on Aruba:

Natalee and friends go to beach & pool all day

Natalee and friends on beach

Natalee and friend in Holiday Inn lobby

8:30 pm - Natalee & friends have dinner in Holiday Inn restaurant

9:00 pm - Natalee & friends go to Holiday Inn Excelsior Casino:

8:58 PM - Natalee walking into Excelsior Casino

9:30 pm - Friends see Joran & Natalee talking in casino

Joran on left, Natalee on right, talking on cellphone

Joran on left, Natalee next to man who looks like Paulus

Man who looks like Paulus talking to Natalee

Natalee points toward Joran, while talking to man who looks like Paulus

Man who looks like Paulus, wearing gold watch and white, short-sleeved shirt

Paulus, wearing gold watch and white, short-sleeved shirt, talking to Beth

Compare Paulus and man in casino

11:00 pm - Natalee, 39 MBHS students & 2 chaperones go to Carlos ‘n Charlie’s:

Natalee dancing – CnC’s

Natalee upper right – CnC’s

Possibly Natalee in enlargement box (left) – CnC’s

Mon, May 30, 2005:

12:15 am – 12:30 am – Joran (near green circle), Deepak, and Satish arrive at Carlos ’n Charlies
...MB kids surprised to see Joran because he’d said @ casino Sunday nites slow & no one goes out

1:00 am..Carlos’n Charlie’s closes, everyone starts leaving

1:00 am - 1:30 am - Natalee & Joran leave Carlos ’n Charlies in Deepaks car, with his brother Satish

4:00 AM – Reports of money withdrawn from a suspect's ATM account.

Deepak’s car – Did you see this car on Aruba on May 30, 2005, between 1:30 AM and dawn?

11:00 pm...Beth & Jug Twitty & MBHS parents’ plane lands in Aruba.

Natalee’s parents search for her and post reward.

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Click to see: Natalee Holloway Timeline

10 days or so later:

Deepak’s car being towed by police

Joran, in handcuffs, leading police to where he alleges he “dropped” Natalee on the beach

Joran, in handcuffs, followed by police

Joran, in handcuffs, on beach with police near Marriott where he alleges he "dropped" Natalee in early morning hours of May 30, 2005

Justice for Natalee

Aruba, where is Natalee?

1,403 posted on 05/27/2006 12:20:42 PM PDT by shebacal

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Ping to #1403 - Remembering Natalee Holloway - One Year Later

1,404 posted on 05/27/2006 12:22:46 PM PDT by shebacal

God bless you for what you are doing to keep Natalee's memory alive and to keep her case in the forefront of our minds. May God continue to sustain her parents and step-parents, and may He bring Natalee home soon.

1,405 posted on 05/27/2006 12:36:41 PM PDT by Faith

May God continue to sustain her parents and step-parents, and may He bring Natalee home soon.

Thank you, and Amen.

1,406 posted on 05/27/2006 12:58:25 PM PDT by shebacal

Outstanding, Sheba!

Thank you for that tribute to Natalee.
You put it together so well.

1,407 posted on 05/27/2006 1:45:38 PM PDT by RGVTx (Boycott Aruba/NL products list http://ashvickers.tripod.com/id2.html)

Schippers is an Arrogant Ass Deetch!! Can't stomach the woman myself.

1,408 posted on 05/27/2006 2:01:09 PM PDT by Canadian Outrage (Conservatism is to a country what a bandaid is to a cut!! - Healing)

Thanks much, RGVTx.

I had planned to wait until Monday, May 29th to post my tribute to Natalee, but after viewing Greta's program last night, I was so disheartened over her presentation featuring Joran, that I decided to post today.

1,409 posted on 05/27/2006 2:08:51 PM PDT by shebacal

What a heartbreak and what a travesty!!! This case IS solved it is simply UNresolved. All that is needed is the WHERE of Natalee's body. We and everyone else knows the WHO. Beth and family have never waivered at the WHO and WHAT, just the WHERE. We know who the FOUR are!! So do they. Tacopina can gag himself with a pineapple!!

1,410 posted on 05/27/2006 2:11:22 PM PDT by Canadian Outrage (Conservatism is to a country what a bandaid is to a cut!! - Healing)

Sheba I don't bother with Greta anymore. I won't either. She's been sucked in by the sociopathic Dutch t*rd!!

Viewing those pictures there is NO doubt that Paulus Van Der Slut WAS involved. No wonder he was sweating buckets and couldn't look anyone in the eye and had to hide in the bushes until Beth said "Hey you in the bushes"!!

1,411 posted on 05/27/2006 2:15:08 PM PDT by Canadian Outrage (Conservatism is to a country what a bandaid is to a cut!! - Healing)

To: Canadian Outrage

Viewing those pictures there is NO doubt that Paulus Van Der Slut WAS involved. No wonder he was sweating buckets and couldn't look anyone in the eye and had to hide in the bushes until Beth said "Hey you in the bushes"!!

CO, you are so right, and it bears repeating.

1,412 posted on 05/27/2006 2:40:29 PM PDT by shebacal

To: Canadian Outrage

That is your best rant ever!
I especially liked this part:
"This case IS solved it is simply UNresolved."
So right, absolutely right, CO.

1,413 posted on 05/27/2006 3:35:21 PM PDT by RGVTx (Boycott Aruba/NL products list http://ashvickers.tripod.com/id2.html)

To: Canadian Outrage

CO, your hitting them out of the ballpark today!

1,414 posted on 05/27/2006 3:37:55 PM PDT by RGVTx (Boycott Aruba/NL products list http://ashvickers.tripod.com/id2.html)

Great lineup, timeline and recap. Awesome job, shebacal.

That's Paulus, IMO.

1,415 posted on 05/27/2006 6:34:42 PM PDT by presently no screen name

To: presently no screen name

That's Paulus, IMO.

Thank you, PNSN. I believe a lot of people think that is Paulus.

1,416 posted on 05/27/2006 6:52:08 PM PDT by shebacal

Is the boycott working?

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1,417 posted on 05/27/2006 7:08:43 PM PDT by shebacal

I saw YES!! Next, hopefully, we will hear about hotel closings.

1,418 posted on 05/27/2006 7:45:27 PM PDT by presently no screen name

To: Canadian Outrage; RGVTx

I'm in the 'no greta zone', also. Greta enjoys the middle of the road - right on the 'yellow' line.

I agree w/RGVTx - home run posts, CO!

1,419 posted on 05/27/2006 7:56:43 PM PDT by presently no screen name

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Saturday 27 May 2006

Ships offshore during exercise

Flanked by a fast motorboat of the navy, the submarine Zeeleeuw leaves the Anna Bay.

CURACAO – The start of the Joint Caribbean Lion yesterday, symbolized by the station ship Van Nes, the Belgian Westdiep, the aircraft carrier USS Bataan, transport ship FS Francis Garnier, the submarine Zeeleeuw and the commando frigate De Ruyter leaving the harbour one after the other. Only the supply ship Zuiderkruis remained in port due to technical problems, which were fixed today.

For the next days, the ships will stay offshore close to the island. The first exercise was a humanitarian disaster that took place ashore in Fuikbaai. This exercise will be repeated this coming Friday for the team of the Belgian ship.

Meanwhile, the 8th participating navy vessel has also arrived, namely the USS Taylor that jointed the others offshore and for the time being, will not put into port. The USS Fort McHenry and the Canadian ships Montreal and Preserver are expected to arrive later. Expectations are that eventually a total of 12 naval vessels will take part.

Joint Caribbean Lion (JCL) requires a lot of flexibility of the planners, also due to the late arrival of the transport ship Rotterdam that is still in Surinam. Even though it is an exercise, the scenarios must have surprising elements. The program is therefore surrounded with secrecy. Main purpose of the exercise is the testing of the new joint set-up in which all the Dutch branches of military service in cooperation with units of other countries perform operation on land, in which the set-up and assistance takes place on sea, the so-called sea basing. The benefit of this is that anywhere in the world unauthorized operations can take place, as long as it is outside the 12-miles zone of the territorial waters.

In the past few days, the Royal Military Police was very busy with escorting the several transports of riding material from Nieuwe Haven to the Suffisant base and the several operation areas, like Fuikbaai, Wacao, Hato and Eastpoint. Eastpoint owner Willy Maal has authorized the military to perform exercises on his property. The tanks are transported on flatbed trailers over the road. For the first time since long ago, the traffic in Curacao is coping with the phenomenon military column that always has the right-a-way.

The 6 F-16’s arrived on Military Hato today. They will be put in for air defence tasks as well as for assistance of land forces. The F-16’s will start flying this coming Friday. A max of 4 will fly at the same time.

The Dutch media reports in abundance on the Joint Caribbean Lion. The reports concentrate mostly on the fact that the exercise takes place on the doorstep of neighboring country Venezuela, and they also put emphasis on the relationship between the government leaders Hugo Chávez and George Bush.

Chinese interest in oil-prospecting near Aruba

Prime Minister Nelson Oduber (r) explaining what Aruba has to offer to Chinese investors.

ARUBA – A Chinese oil-refinery has shown interest in exploring and exploiting of oil and gas in the territorial waters around Aruba. Prime Minister Nelson Oduber (MEP) learned this during his visit to China.

On this trip, Oduber was accompanied by amongst others director of the Foreign Relations Administration (DBB) Agustin Vrolijk, director of the Free Zone Greg Peterson, and interim-director Aruban Investment Bank Frendsel Giel. Together with a representative of China Brazil Development Office, the Aruban delegation visited the PetroChina Fuel Oil Company that showed interest in exploring and exploiting of oil and gas in the territorial waters around Aruba. At the end of the visit, a representative of the Chinese refinery made it clear that the company would like to talk to Aruban business- and investments experts.

Karel van Oosterom, interim ambassador for the Royal Dutch Kingdom gave a reception in honour of the Aruban delegation, during which Oduber gave a presentation on “what the smallest island in the western hemisphere has to offer to the biggest country in the eastern hemisphere’ to representatives of the Chinese government, Chinese investors, representatives of countries in the region, and the media in Beijing. The presentation was in English and an interpreter translated his words for the Chinese listeners.

He talked about the possibilities that Aruba has to offer to investors and products from China that Aruba can import to the Latin American region, the Caribbean, and North America via gateway.

There was also another reception in honour of the Aruban delegation given by the KangMei Group, during which Oduber received a poster with more than 100 good wishes.

1,420 posted on 05/27/2006 9:21:34 PM PDT by shebacal

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