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[nuntukamen]

just hanging out

[imaketypos]

Just watching from the sidelines right now..

[RGVTx]

I was out to dinner.
Better than being out to lunch, eh.

[nuntukamen]

one thing to think about; all of these arrests by the new investigation team that seem to be going nowhere may have a very subtle purpose, in that joran knows these are all a connection to himself, and that if they hold any knowledge or were spoken to about natalee's disappearance in any way, they may spill the beans, or drop enough of them to provide a valuable clue...the noose is drawing in and all of this may have the intent of letting him twist slowly, slowly in the wind, as we once heard in another investigation far, far away...and whatever crimes paulus has done in guilty action, he also must feel the tightening around himself...buy deodorant stock; the sweat could cause a run

[imaketypos]

I have had the belief that since January? when PVDS sued
there seemed to be a renewed interest in the case by KJ.
If a June trial, as mentioned by Koch is going to take place, now is when KJ would have to have final statements from these arrested for a trial. IIRC the decision on PVDS amount was delayed until the end of June, so it would seem to be now or never for a trial.

[imaketypos]

you have mail

[justche]

I love these pictures

[imaketypos]

America's Most Wanted - Fox (regular Fox Station) - Saturday 06/03/06

Time: 9:00 pm Eastern & Pacific, 8:00 pm Central

Go here to watch snippets from the upcoming show.

http://www.amw.com/missing_persons/video_photos.cfm?id=32411

[truthluva]

one thing to think about; all of these arrests by the new investigation team that seem to be going nowhere may have a very subtle purpose, in that joran knows these are all a connection to himself, and that if they hold any knowledge or were spoken to about natalee's disappearance in any way, they may spill the beans, or drop enough of them to provide a valuable clue...

I would like to think you are right about this, but the way I see it these people are being arrested and now considered suspects because you are less likely to be convicted of anything under these circumstances. If you are a witness, it is against the law to lie. If you are a suspect you can lie all you want. Now that these people have been identified as suspects they are no longer expected to tell the truth.

I'm not being sarcastic, that is how the system was explained by Arlene Schipper.

[RGVTx]

Ping to 1528.
Thanks to Imaketypos.

[imaketypos]

Do you know if this is this the same as this one?
On Friday, Judge Bob Wit ruled that Paul Van Der Sloot cannot visit his son in jail, but that the boy's mother may. Wit's reasoning wasn't made public. Anita Van Der Sloot visited her son late Friday

On 1-23 “Amigoe.com” reported:
ARUBA — After the Holloway-case is closed, Prime Minister Nelson Oduber (MEP) wants a thorough investigation be conducted on the course of everything that had to do with the investigation on the disappeared American teenager, especially the begin phase. He thinks that mistakes were made especially in this phase. “I have already spoken with the Court president, Louis de Lannooy and with former judge Bob Wit.”

[nuntukamen]

you have a very intriguing point in an investigation that wants no resolution but dissolvement from the prior team, and down the road it may be demonstrated as totally accurate...i have to think the new investigators really want to solve this, since they see now that it is not going away, and can only fester, and therefore there are several good reasons why these arrests could help change the course of things and break the case open, just as a civil suit also might...at some point, just like in the Godfather, you cut your losses so that business can continue as usual...none of these players are important enough to lose millions over...but don't expect an arrest, expect them to be a suicide like Pitbull. At least we'll know they did it.

[truthluva]

I hope you are right. I think an investigation of Jan Van Der Straaten is where they should start. He was in charge at the beginning and he was the first in LE to allude to the fact that Natalee may not be alive. He needs to be investigated. imo

[imaketypos]

he was the first in LE to allude to the fact that Natalee may not be alive.

Do you mean like this statement?

On 6-11 STRAATEN was asked by a DUTCH journalist if he had any hopes for a positive outcome? STRAATEN replied, “You always have to be hopeful, but I don’t believe anymore that we will find Natalee alive.” When asked why not, STRAATEN replied, “Because I know the details of the investigation and you don't!”

[truthluva]

Yep. That's what I was referring to. Van Der Straaten knows.

He became even more obvious when asked about the copy of the 'confession' that Beth obtained. He kept saying "I do not recognize it." Not.."That didn't come from here" or "I've never seen it before." It has been said that the 'confession' was obtained after the legal number of hours for questioning had expired that day. Therefore, it can not be 'recognized'. Van Der Straaten knows.

[imaketypos]

Could not find the confession one right off, but did find this.

On 10-4 JUG told “CNN,” “Nancy, what happened -- well, I think it was probably about 30 days after, or so, maybe the 1st of July or something. I had a meeting with Van Der Straaten, who was the police chief in charge at that time. And I went in and sat down with him and told him and Officer Sambo, who was going to take over for Van Der Straaten. He was there, too. You know, I asked a question about, I understand that there was a statement made by Joran, where he talks about what he had done to Natalee and he described in very graphic detail, like, the stitching and embroidery and everything on Natalee`s underwear. And he goes, ‘Oh, no, no, no. Absolutely not. Absolutely not.’ Well, little did he know I had just read the statements where Joran describes that to the "T," you know, two days before. But of course, I didn't tell him that. But that`s just when I started to think something`s wrong here.”



http://members.aol.com/worldJOURNIER/NATALEE/NATALEEtimeline.html

[Palladin]

Lying is a way of life in Aruba. That includes Arlene.

[Palladin]

>>>Hellooooooo!! Where are y'all????<<<

Waiting for your next Great Rant! ;)

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Aruba is spinning it's tourism situation like a top.

http://travelvideo.tv/news/more.php?id=8913_0_1_0_m

Aruba tourism wins year-long battle
Jun 01, 06 | 12:58 pm



Exactly one year to the day when Natalee Holloway, an 18-year-old graduate of Alabama traveled to the Caribbean island of Aruba with members of her senior class and disappeared, the islanders quietly remember. The teen did not return to the US on the day of her flight.



Despite media attention on an issue blown out of proportion, an attempted call for tourism boycott by Alabama, let alone an ongoing legal wrangling, the island enjoys a very strong season and a steady flow of guests. A peaceful island such as Aruba is no longer looking back and talking about a case gone wrong. More than anything, it is talking tourism dollars and hotel investments galore most island destinations can only dream of.

*snip*
Overall, 2005 held steady with a .6 percent increase in worldwide numbers over 2004. With hundreds of thousands of seasoned travelers and sun-sea-sand lovers making the island the destination of choice in 2005, Aruba remains one hot-spot with a repeat visitor rate of over 40 percent -- the highest among all Caribbean destinations.

Managing an island aptly tagged a vacationer's paradise where happiness lives, Minister Briesen reveals nothing will put a damper on the industry that sustains them, feeds them and oils the economic wheel of the Dutch Antilles.

*snip*

eTN: How are you preparing for another hurdle since the U.S. State Department and the Department Homeland Security announced the Western Hemisphere Travel Initiative, which will require all U.S. citizens and foreign nationals, to carry a passport or other accepted secure documents to enter or re-enter the U.S. starting January 2007? Aren't you more concerned as the year draws in and Americans are not rushing to secure their travel documents?

Briesen: Of the 72 percent Americans who come, 25 percent already have passports. The Caribbean Tourism Organization has asked Washington for a delay. The security reason, core to this issue, will move into the cruise business with which we welcome about 3000-4000 passengers. Cruises will need a different approach as opposed to airlines carrying only 300-400 at a time.
We are prepared because we already have the necessary equipment here to facilitate the checks.

[imaketypos]

Despite media attention on an issue blown out of proportion


They still don't get it. Do they really think this is just going to go away?