Posted on 04/19/2006 10:32:18 AM PDT by RGVTx
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I had heard some of these stories before, but not all of them. Thanks for presenting it all in one package.
It's no wonder Aruba was claiming to be a safe island.
If it doesn't show up on the official record then a crime never occured. It's the Aruban way.
Well, not anymore, Aruba.
We are wise to your game now.
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i deeply believe as we open these facts and scenarios that playout in our minds to discussion and brainstorming, that we will, just like the 100th monkey, eventually layout exactly what happened
while others who are on the ground may solve the case and "bring natalee home", at least in words of the truth to what occurred, all of us assist in keeping her in the nation's memory and eye...amy bradley would be alive today and free if this same effort had occured for her
there is nothing more valuable and important than knowing the sanctity of American citizenship is banked by the nation at large and that all of us has each other's backs when internationally traveling, man woman or child
there are hundreds of crimes committed each year against Americans by the aruban population, most go unreported, very, very few result in arrest, none in prosecution, and i'd like to see the safe and happy island prove otherwise
you stand a safer chance if you went to chicago or new york and walked down the ghetto streets waving hundred dollar bills
lastly, i am awaiting one of us to establish once and for all if deepak and satish think of themselves as muslim
Wonderful post #1804.
Calling on our brilliant resident researcher because I know there is a record somewhere about the Kalpoes religion. It's either Muslim or Hindu, I think.
I've bought Imaketypos enough coffee to keep him going strong. But then he ran the tab too high while trying to spend all my Bunco winnings and had to wash dishes. His dishpan hands might be a hinderance today.
I do not believe I have ever seen it as definite. I do believe I have seen discussion that it was Hindu. I will start looking for what I may be able to find.
His dishpan hands might be a hinderance today
Yours would be too if you had gone through the experience I had. If you just would have gotten a little more !!.
What I'm vaguely remembering would be from early in the case, during last summer. Maybe from a Greta interview...maybe with Nadira. My memory is too foggy to be more precise, but I think it was clarified and I think it was Hindu.
I can try winning both bunco pots next time, but then I'd really have to watch my back walking out the door!
If you hadn't added such a huge tip to the bill for that cute little waitress you wouldn't have dishpan hands now.
Thanks to all of you for keeping this case alive.
While the Holloways and Twittys still wait to bring their daughter home, Joran is probably hitting the Roulette tables in Aruba once again.
If you hadn't added such a huge tip to the bill for that cute little waitress you wouldn't have dishpan hands now
Now I need a new keyboard!!!!!!!!!LOL
This should be it.........
She described her family as a close and traditional Hindu group and said both sons are "good boys." Satish does not drink, she said, and while Deepak drinks occasionally, neither youth takes drugs.
http://www.cnn.com/2005/LAW/06/23/aruba.holloway/index.html
Once again, thanks, Imaketypos!
So, now I'm not so sure that is a confirmation...it did come from Nadira, after all. Nadira, of the "Everybody lies. Even big people lie" fame.
What? You didn't think I'd check that tab?
That's okay. You're worth every new keyboard, cups of coffee, and tipping cute waitresses. You've well earned your keep around here. :))
You're just lucky my new keyboard arrived yesterday, and I had not had time to hook it up yet...
No need for bunco tonight......LOL
appreciate the quote
however; joran said when deepak gets drunk he gets aggresive and mean...doesn't sound like occassional drinking
satish probably doesn't drink; one of the four might be sane just by rules of probability...not that sobriety guarantees rationality: karen janssen and dompig are sober folks and look at what it has done for them
the mother has admitted that as a big person she knows she and everyone else on earth lies...true, but not about rape and murder
i am hoping, probably in vain, that somewhere deepak and satish might have made a statement relating to how they perceive themselves spiritually...while i know there are angry Hindus, deepak is filled with such hate and animosity towards Americans and females that he may define himself as Muslim...anyway, its not essential to the case except to demonstrate another problem with embracing a religion of destructive hate and how it breeds death
and they may not do drugs, but they still give them to girls and sell them (natalee's relative who described the initial news of her kidnapping as having resulted in natalee being taken to Venezuala also said the police told them she was last seen in the company of a known island drug dealer...who might that be and why were the brothers ask to leave their home island?)
deepak is filled with such hate and animosity towards Americans and females that he may define himself as Muslim
during his 3-1 “FoxNews” interview Prime Suspect J. SLOOT claimed….
VAN SUSTEREN: Where was Deepak?
VAN DER SLOOT: He was waiting at his car.
VAN SUSTEREN: Any reason why he went out ahead?
VAN DER SLOOT: I don't know. You have to ask him that.
VAN SUSTEREN: Is he sort of, I mean a guy who enjoys the bar scene?
VAN DER SLOOT: I don't know. Again, you'll have to ask him that I mean.
VAN SUSTEREN: How about the girls, they like him?
VAN DER SLOOT: I don't know. You'll have to ask him that.
VAN SUSTEREN: But when you were out with him or something did he talk to them? Was he friendly?
VAN DER SLOOT: No, he didn't talk to them. He didn't really talk to any of them.
VAN SUSTEREN: How about Satish did he?
VAN DER SLOOT: No.
VAN SUSTEREN: How far was the car parked from Carlos 'n Charlie's?
VAN DER SLOOT: It was parked right behind it.
http://members.aol.com/worldJOURNIER/NATALEE/NATALEEtimeline.html
Were the Kalpoe brothers asked to leave their homeland?
As I recall, each arrived on Aruba at different times, a year or two apart. Each had lived with their grandmother before arriving in Aruba. Their bio parents are divorced with mom in Aruba and dad in Suriname(sp?). I do recall some talk of one of them having some legal problems back home, but never saw it proved.
(natalee's relative who described the initial news of her kidnapping as having resulted in natalee being taken to Venezuala also said the police told them she was last seen in the company of a known island drug dealer
Also, Aruba and Travel Advisory message boards are abuzz over the disappearance, and one poster purportedly from Alabama posted the curious post below.
Alert: Just wanted to warn everyone: My best friend and her husband chaperoned a senior trip of 160 kids down to Aruba, and she returned last night. Her husband had to stay b/c they think that one of the girls was kidnapped, and is possibly in Venezuela now. Her parents flew down, and the State Dept., D.E.A. and several other groups are involved now. She left with a guy from Carlos and Charlie's, and the cops found out that he is a local drug dealer. Just wanted to let everyone know to please stay safe. If anyone in Aruba has any info., please let me know. I should know more later today. Just please say a prayer.
The above would fit with details in a report here claiming there were "disturbing" circumstances surrounding the disappearance which resulted in a request for ten additional agents of the FBI, now in Aruba.
However, it should be noted that the bulletin board message can not be verified as genuine, or credible.
http://members.aol.com/worldJOURNIER/NATALEE/NATALEEtimeline.html
per member request here is a better layout of previous info for readibility, and thanks to LucyT for the reconstruction
This is a little long, but every member here should read this and integrate into their own thoughts and opinions:
In 1996 an AMERICAN woman tourist was shot and murdered by two robbers while in ARUBA.
On April 19, 2006 user identity “momja” of the “Blogs for Natalee” wrote*: Read this from ABC33/40 in Birmingham Aruba: More Women Speak Out "My heart aches for Natalee and her family.
I've known from the minute Natalee was announced missing on the TV, exactly what happened to her.
I have been in touch with the FBI, and they have my statement. I have been to Aruba 3 times, and the last time was HORRIBLE. In 1996, I went with my husband and 4 friends.
We stayed at the same hotel Natalee stayed at. My husband and I were both drugged, taken from the hotel casino.
My husband was locked in a back room of the bar The Rio Grande, I was taken out to the desert, and didnt come out of the black out until the next morning.
I had been raped and beaten. I was fortunate enough to talk my way out of the situation, promising I wouldn’t go to the police.
When I got back to my hotel, my husband and a friend did go to the police station..........it is just like you've seen on the TV for the Holloway-Twitty family.
They did NOTHING to help us at all. Even with the police knowing, that the casino-workers and the Commissioner of the casino had a problem with the 'man', and were also willing to help my husband and I.
On 2-6-98 an Italian boy, GIANNI FERRARA, was kidnapped in ARUBA then taken off the island to VENEZUELA
without his kidnapping nor his transportation to VENEZUELA ever being detected by any ARUBAN authorities.
FERRARA was forcibly freed on 4-22-98, and 38 people were arrested. 3-24-98
On 3-24-98 another AMERICAN, AMY LYNN BRADLEY, vanished
from on board the “Royal Caribbean Lines” cruise ship the “Rhapsody of the Seas” enroute to WILLEMSTAD, CURACAO
after being docked in ORANJESTAD, ARUBA
and AMY was propositioned by some men to go with them to “Carlos “N Charlies.”
(both CURACAO and ARUBA are islands belonging to the NETHERLAND ANTILLES)
If you have any helpful information, please contact the Hot line: (804) 276-8503, the F.B.I.: (804) 777-3363, Relatives Main Line: (804) 276-2204, Fax: (804) 745-6133, Primary E-mail: Teamamy@hotmail.com 6-9-99
On June 9, 1999 an AMERICAN, WILLIARD “Bud” LARSON, vanished while vacationing in ARUBA.
Last known location: “Windsurf Village board shop” in ARUBA‘s west beach….
If you have any helpful information with respect to LARSON, please, email his parents at Larsoncrew13@verizon.net 12-24-01
On June 6, 2005 BOSTON, MASSACHUSSETTS “ABC” TV channel 5 “WCVB” reported:
Woman Claims Rape Where Missing Teen Was Last Seen In Aruba
BOSTON -- With its year-round warmth and nearly rain-free climate, Aruba has become a vacation oasis for thousands of Massachusetts’s residents.
But in recent days, a dark side has emerged. NewsCenter 5's Amalia Barreda reported that a local woman said she was raped after leaving the same bar in Aruba where missing Alabama teen Natalee Holloway was last seen.
"Aruba is not as safe as the commercials make it out to be," said Marie, who withheld her last name.
Marie said she made four trips to Aruba with friends and believed the island was safe.
That's why she had no qualms about traveling there alone for Christmas 2001. She stayed at the same Holiday Inn where Holloway and her high school classmates booked their rooms.
On Christmas Eve, Marie said she went to Carlos 'N Charlie's, the same bar where the missing Alabama teen was last seen.
When she left, Marie said a man pulled her into his car, drove away and raped her.
"As I was being pulled into vehicle, screams came out of me that I couldn't imagine ever coming out of me of me and people did nothing," said Marie.
1-29-02 An AMERICAN, GARY MAKINGS, was last seen in ARUBA on January 29, 2002
He was staying at the “Arubahouse,” and was last seen when he left to go snorkeling. If you have any helpful information, please contact travismakings@yahoo.com
On June 7, 2005 BOSTON, MASSACHUSETTS “ABC” TV channel 5 “WCVB” reported:
Local Woman Recalls Alleged Assault In Aruba North Shore Resident Says Hotel Worker Took Advantage Of Her
BOSTON -- The search for the missing Alabama teenager on the island of Aruba has prompted another Massachusetts’s woman to come forward with a story of a vacation gone horribly wrong. NewsCenter 5's Jack Harper reported that police and F.B.I. agents have scaled back the search for Natalee Holloway.
On Monday, more than 700 volunteers combed the island looking for any sign of the 18-year-old girl. Two men have been charged in connection with her disappearance.
A common thread links the Holloway case to a pair of Massachusetts women who say they were sexually assaulted on the island after leaving the popular nightclub called Carlos and Charlie's.
The North Shore woman, who does not want to be identified, said that she came forward with her story as a warning to others.
She said that two years ago in Aruba [2003], she befriended a hotel worker, who she says turned against her.
"On my last night there, I decided to go out on a date with him. I thought it would just be a friendly, harmless affair, and it turned out to be a disaster," she said.
"He took me to the local bar in Aruba, Carlos and Charlie's. He bought me drinks, and after we left the bar, he proceeded to take me to a parking lot where he assaulted me."
The North Shore woman believes that some hotel workers are using their positions to take advantage of young girls. "I guess I wasn't thinking and I felt like I was safe with this person.
He seemed friendly, and I thought it would just be an innocent date -- you know, go out dancing. I really didn’t think such a tragedy would happen," she said. "A lot of locals go there at night just for fun.
A lot of American girls go there and party and they even have a stage there where the young girls, they get them drunk, and they get up on stage and they start doing foolish things that they probably never would do at home. They are under the influence and they are on vacation."
The woman did not tell police at the time of the alleged assault. "After this happened, I wish that I did come forward because this could have been one of the people that harmed this young girl," she said.
On July 12, 2005 identity “clevfan” of “Major Wager.com” reported: I know this is hearsay, but interesting story from a girl in Aruba regarding Joran:
Anyway, remember John Merryweather, evil incarnate and my mom's cousin? He has a son, named Herbert (Herbie) Merryweather. Herbert is married and has a son, but I don't know his name.
The mother of this son came to talk to my mom day before yesterday and it turns out that her son is a classmate of Joran's. So, got it, grandson Merryweather is Joran's classmate.
Turns out that that grandson and mom had a major clash with Joran some time before, because Joran accused grandson of killing Joran's dog and throwing it in Moko Dam (place where TX ES also searched), however, the mother threatened to go the cops to make a complaint against Joran,
and the Joran confessed to killing his own dog.
**** I'm not kidding. Not even a little bit. Also, the morning after NH disappeared [May 30, 2005], Joran came with a big bruise on his face and was sleeping in class and could only be woken up when he was pelted with (note?)books.
On June 16, 2005 Steve Huff reported that Prime Suspect J. SLOOT had a romantic involvement with a 7th grade girl of only 14 years old until her parents learned of the relationship and made their daughter break off the relationship in March, 2005.
http://members.aol.com/worldJOURNIER/NATALEE/NATALEEtimeline.html
Over the past 8 years dozens of young men and women have been raped and murdered or disappeared,
but there is no record of one instance of a single arrest followed by prosecution.
There is no record of any arrests other than in the Natalee Holloway case, where the perpetrators are free, attending school, playing golf, and having a regular good old time living the Aruban life.
In the case of the Italian boy, Gianni Ferrara, 38 arrests and following convictions occurred in Venzeuala, although the crime began on Aruba with the kidnaping.
Aruba is a paradise for the raping youth and men of the island (and for those who remember Texcat, she provided me very, very early on with
island rape mentality facts that stretched all the way from the Carribean to Australia and even Pitcairn Island--ancestors of those on the HMS Bounty--where it is an island tradition welcoming young girls into what life as a young woman will be all about.)
For any kind of sexual deviant, Aruba is the place where all the comforts of a perv’s best wet dreams can occur jail free. That would make it a lot like Amsterdam, Holland. Oh, that’s right, that’s where the Vander Sloots are from
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