Is this really it? (re: possible Obama's Kenyan B.C. - Attny Taitz) Click on the link

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Attorney Taitz filed a NOTICE OF MOTION AND MOTION to Expedite authentication, MOTION for Issuance of Letters Rogatory for authenticity of Kenyan birth certificate filed by Plaintiff Alan Keyes PhD.

Barry's Kenyan B.C.??

Special Motion for leave

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[mojitojoe]

You think Biden is reading this thread and hoping? ha

[Diogenesis]

It helps DRUDGE and the MSM that they can first find out the
facts, and then the Truth -- fully sorted out -- at FReeRepublic.

[lovesdogs]

I did my best to get to the end of this thread and gave up around 2400 or so. None the less, I think I have the gist of most if not all of what has been tossed around.

I find the time line of : Major Cook’s rescinded orders in response to his request for a TRO on his orders to deploy, followed by Lou Dobbs entrance into the BC fray, followed by liberals denouncing birthers, followed by RINOs (and inexplicably Ann Coulter) denouncing birthers, followed by liberals telling Zero to produce the BC (Andrew Sullivan) to shut birthers up...to today with this big old bombshell.

Mind you, I need to see more proof on this document before I am convinced that it is the real deal. But it certainly looks more authentic to my untrained eye than the “fightthesmears” COLB for Zero.

But allow me to introduce a little bit of family history that I have done on “The One”

Stanley Armor Dunham (grandpa mom’s side)
died 1992 buried in HI

Lolo Soetro (second husband to Stanley Ann Dunham mom)
Died 1987 of Liver ailment buried in Jakarta

Ann Dunham Obama Soetro Dunham (mom)
Died 1995 Cancer cremated

Madelyn Dunham (grandma mom’s side)
died 11/03/08) just before election -cremated

BHO Sr (dad)
Died 1982 drunken accident) buried Kenya

Ralph Waldo Emberson or Emerson (saw both spellings) (great uncle to BHO Jr Bro to Stanley A Dunham)
born 1916 (perhaps living in KS, northern Va or Nova Scotia, perhaps dead)

Every single relation who may have had contact with a baby or very young Zero is dead with the exception of great uncle Ralph. He may be dead or in the throws of dementia by now.

I am not making a great big deal of this. But it is strange. I was born a few months after Zero and have tons of relations who remember me as a baby/young child.

Stanley Armor’s mom commited suicide at age of 26 so she only had two sons. It is most interesting that I can find NO wife or children for his brother Ralph Waldo Emerson Dunham Jr.

Make what you will of it. I certainly cannot make heads or tails of it.

[don-o]

Well spotted, gunner.

It’s gone dark for now.

[Fresh Wind]

The form does look word-processor generated.

What is a word processor? It is software with the capability to quickly, easily, and cheaply achieve the level of quality that would be expected from a competent and professional print shop. Was a quality print job possible before word processors? Obviously, yes. Is there anything on that form that couldn't have been done with traditional printing techniques? Clearly, no.

Also, there is a very good chance that forms of that sort in that time period were actually printed in Great Britain, not Africa.

[MHGinTN]

The exhibit is not a 1964 birth certificate. It is a 1964 attestation that a 1961 birth certificate exists. A request similar to this 1964 exhibit would however be helpful.

If forensics are done on the actual document from which the photos were made, the work would delve even into the residues on the paper in the different fold sections. ANY pollen--for instance--embedded in the paper from 1964 in Kenya or anywhere else would be an affirmation. THAT is the sort of thing a forensic exam would seek to find for authentication.

[jcsjcm]

‘Why was it signed by the official in 1964?’ I’m going to take a super-wild uneducated guess and say that it was signed in 1964 because Zero went to school in Indonesia when he was 3 years old and maybe needed a copy of birth information to enroll in school there? Nobie turned 3 in 1964.<.i>

This document was issued smack dab in the middle of a divorce case between Mom and Pop. It would only be fitting to have this birth certificate at divorce proceedings. Again, this was covered earlier!

[toldyou]

“Ummmm I don’t think it was the same.”

No...it wasn’t the one which is the subject of this thread.

It was the hand written one, which can very well be a hoax. My argument is that it was posted today somewhere in this thread. All the banned guy wanted to know, and what a FReeper today wanted was FReepers’ opinions of it.

For that he was banned.

[null and void]

;^P

[386wt]

93,549+ views,...

How do I see the number of views? Do I have to go to the FR page with the original posting? If so what's the easiest way to find the original page on such a long thread? By time stamp?

[don-o]

We?

[jcsjcm]

‘Why was it signed by the official in 1964?’ I’m going to take a super-wild uneducated guess and say that it was signed in 1964 because Zero went to school in Indonesia when he was 3 years old and maybe needed a copy of birth information to enroll in school there? Nobie turned 3 in 1964.

This document was issued smack dab in the middle of a divorce case between Mom and Pop. It would only be fitting to have this birth certificate at divorce proceedings. Again, this was covered earlier!

[bustinchops]

Sorry, I don’t understand your post.

[buccaneer81]

You think Biden is reading this thread and hoping? ha

He can't find the internet "number."

[RetroSexual]

As someone suggested earlier, the only appropriate choice for Biden's VP is Al Franken.

I look at it like an addiction. You have to hit bottom before you can admit the problem and start recovery. Just imagine Biden giving the State of the Union address with Franken smirking over his shoulder.

[jarofants]

This proves nothing. It's a hoax. This will set the issue back and destroy any credibility you birthers have.

[Jedidah]

Document was apparently executed after Kenya gained independence in Dec., 1963 and officially became a republic in Dec., 1964.

So the question is what was printed on official government documents during the transition? Time and research will tell.

We need Kenyans with 1964 birth certificates to come forward.

[politicalmerc]

HOWEVER, if you look closely the Entry date is August 5th, 1961! In that day and age it would have been physically impossible to be in Hawaii on August 4th, 1961 and in Kenya on the 5th to Enter this document on the record. There were no faxes, email, or any other means to do such at that time. Most curious. This document is at least verifiable>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

I wrote that in the same sleep deprived condition!

If you look at the Certificate in the image the Date of Registration is about half way down and is indicated to be August 5th, 1961. If he was born in Hawaii on August 4th, 1961 how would his birth be registered in Kenya by the next day? Legal registration takes an original document. Faxes didn't really exist, teletype did but not for this purpose. You can't send a document over night even today to Kenya. You couldn't get on a plane and be there by the next day, and why would you try?

The only logical explanation is that, if this document is true, he was born in Kenya on August 4th, 1961 and the birth was registered the next day.

Make more sense now?

[reasonisfaith]

That’s even more accurate.