However, the bottom line is that it's another BOGUS BIRTH DOCUMENT. It's not a birth certificate at all.
Here are a few findings by the members of the group and from other contacts:
I am amazed at the cluelessness of many people in this forum about the above obvious fake document. For instance: Kenya didn’t become a republic until December 1964; E.F Lavender is a common detergent in Kenya & the certificate# 44 0 47 is laughable: 47 = he’s the 44th US President, O = Obama & 47 = his age. Are all these coincidental you lunatics.
Above all, Kenya is one of the most corrupt nations in the world & any body can obtain a forged document in minutes. The person who made this document was a person who wanted to make some few quick & easy dollars from brain-dead birther lunatics.
Rallying around such blatant forgeries only helps to discredit ‘birther’ lunatics. BTW, thanks for giving unemployed Kenyan guys more $$$ to continue feeding you guys with blatant forgeries! Grow up guys!
And this:
In 1961, hospitals in Kenya did issue birth certificates. Starting in 1964,so did the Ministry of Home Affairs, the Civil Registration Department, the National Registration Bureau, Immigration Department, Registrar General, National Social Security Fund, and the National Hospital Insurance Fund.
The document below purports to be a GOVERNMENTAL birth registry from 1961. It most definitely is not. It is a fake and a poor one at that, starting with the wrong title of the document; the wrong official name of the country; wrong name of the province, etc..
Consider these 3 historical facts which the forger got dead wrong:
1. Kenyan official documents did NOT bear the name "REPUBLIC of Kenya" until 1964, if only because the Republic of Kenya was proclaimed in December
1963.
2. In 1961, Mombassa was in ZANZIBAR, not in Kenya.
3. In 1961, the hospital was called "Coast PROVINCIAL General Hospital".
And this:
An intelligence contact with Israeli connections says this: “We checked all the hospitals in Kenya, starting in early 2008. There is no such birth certificate. This is another fake. It is also a very bad fake, by the way, very amateurish, as anyone who has seen the real items would immediately discern.”
I also found a number of anomalies that shout, "Forgery." It's a government document saying the birth happened and that a birth certificate exists -- or pretty much like Obama's bogus Hawaiian COLB.
I'll keep you posted on what else we find.
Back to my report.
I sure hope Orly sees this
We are deciding on the Republic of Kenya issue.
Mombasa was not IN ZANZIBAR. Mombasa is in the 10 mile strip of land OWNED BY Zanzibar and LEASED FOR 75 YEARS UNTIL THE INDEPENDENCE OF KENYA BY BRITAIN ON BEHALF OF KENYA.
Technically Zanzibar OWNED Mombasa, but they were not occupying or using it in any official capacity except collecting rent (or tribute as they called it).
Kenya was admitted to the UN on 12/16/1963. It would have been called a Republic.
The Dec 1964 date is revelant only to the British.
Eric Lavender has been found:
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/2306755/posts?page=319#338
and as such, it's pretty much what one would need to ID a child if one was filing for a divorce from a bogus marriage.
Where ever the chips fall, thank you for your work.
Looking forward to whatever else is discovered. (sigh)
Thanks.
I don't believe this is accurate.
This is way out of my area of expertise, but just for the hell of it:
http://flagspot.net/flags/ke.html
scroll down, that gets into Coat of Arms history, then:
http://www.kenyalaw.org/kenyalaw/klr_app/frames.php
is a good place to research Kenyan law.
I didn’t see the majority here “rally round” anything. I did see a lot of valid questions and that the concensus thoughout is that no one can determine anything from a photograph. I will say if this is a forgery, then it’s a better one than those 3 Hawaiian COLBs. Gee, if only I had an Israeli intelligence contact who’d gone through the records for me. Actually, the bottom line is by all accounts O. Sr. is the father and he is a Kenyan making Hussein ineligible.
The document in question just reads "Mombassa", neither signifying Kenya or Zanzibar. From reading here, it appears that Colonial Kenya considered Mombassa as part of Kenya due to Crown agreements earlier in the century. I do not find this as a deal breaker.
The issue of Coastal Provincial General Hospital vs Coastal General Hospital is also not necessarily a deal breaker. Either sloppiness, or local colloquialism could shorten the name.
The document does not purport to be a "BIRTH CERTIFICATE", just as the Hawaiian COLB, does not purport to be one. Both are considered a generated copy of what is on the original.
The only way to ascertain the truth is to research the numbers listed on the document. If it shows that there is a link, then imho, the document is real.
As for Republic of Kenya being used between 12/63 and 12/64--again I find no outstanding issue there either. To verify, other official documents of that interim period need to be found to see if the same language was used. regards
I wanted to read your evaluation of the posted document. Now that I have seen it, I have to say, I was disappointed and not impressed. There is very little substance to your post.
The “shuck & jive” about the numbers and especially the E. F. Lavender reference is juvenile. Either the numbers lead to a recorded document or they don’t, either E. F. Lavender is a real person in this position or he is not. I see nothing to prove or discount this but it should be revealed in court, if it gets I far.
I suspect there are just as many, or more, in the states that can produce a quality forgery (there is big money in fake historical documents). Some documents, as well as things such as paintings have fooled experts but I doubt this is of that level (if it is fake) since all the pertinent information should be easily verified.
The document does not purport to be a Governmental birth registry from 1961, it is presented as a February 1964 document that is a true copy of the birth registry. The only valid point here is when the name “REPUBLIC of Kenya was used. Do you have any information on that (other than a generic statement about when it became the Republic of Kenya), this too should be easy to verity.
I also haven’t found anything to verify your assertion that the hospital was called “Coast PROVINCIAL General Hospital”. What I have found indicated that it was know as Mombasa Hospital (at the time of Obama’s birth), was changed to Katherine Bibby Hospital and then changed back to Mombasa Hospital. It could have been referred to differently by locals, do you know this to be the case.
As for the Israeli Intelligence reference, that seems to be another generic statement. Is there a specific reference to this hospital (perhaps a little sleuthing would have narrowed it down) and did they check beyond hospital records.... such as district records..
I would like someone with document experience (thought it was going to be you) to post an analysis, if not I will post my own (for what it’s worth) later.
I don’t know whether or not Obama was born in the U.S., but the pictured birth certificate is clearly a forgery. I don’t know why WND didn’t check it out further.
You gotta watch out. Even if Obama was born in Kenya, a helluva strategy would be to produce a fake birth certificate (or a number of them) via third party sources to further discredit those who are seeking the truth. The birthers latch on to the forgery, and are then further discredited and marginalized.
Be on guard.
At the bottom of the document, it clearly states that it was produced in February of 1964
I would have expected better analysis from you.
You know, I’d have to agree with you that this is bogus...
I’m inclined to believe that there is something on his long BC that zero doesn’t want us to see and as POTUS I don’t think he has the right to hide his past from us.
1. Kenyan official documents did NOT bear the name “REPUBLIC of Kenya” until 1964, if only because the Republic of Kenya was proclaimed in December
1963.
2. In 1961, Mombassa was in ZANZIBAR, not in Kenya.
3. In 1961, the hospital was called “Coast PROVINCIAL General Hospital”.
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The document was applied for in 1964...
What the US would do and what Kenya would do about BCs are two differnet things...
I was born a UK citizen...
But my birth certificate after 1949 says I was born a New Zealand citizen and born in NEW Zealand...
But I wasnt...there was no NZ citizenship when I was born...
At birth I had the same citizenship as Obama Sr..
1. Kenya was a Republic in 1964
2. Mombasa was in Kenya in 1964
3. Maybe documents reflected the new name of the hospital in 1964
The objections stated in your post are dissolving.
We now know that the use of the term “Republic” was pretty much universal beginning in 1963, and that E.F. Lavender is still alive and in Kenya.
Since the document is a typed fill-in (xerographic copies were to come three years later) based on the data on file, there is nothing about it that is objectively questionable.
Ron, I've got to say that I am very disappointed in your analysis of this document, particularly since you haven't released any sort of forensic report, as of yet.
Of all people, you should know that legitimate COLBs exist. The mere existence of this CCRB does not in itself indicate "Forgery", as you so boldly proclaim.
And that's another thing. Why do you proclaim that this is a forgery, then go on to say in your post that you and your "group" are continuing to study it? Makes no sense.
You made your name here as someone who could puzzle out fraudulent details from computer images, yet nothing in your post relates to anomalies you may have found in the image that cause you to doubt the authenticity of the document.
Instead, you quote findings from people in your "group", whoever they are.
It appears to me that you've made a premature definitive finding in this case, and that is going to hurt your credibility with Freepers. It's simply not professional. You really should know that.
Very disappointed...