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Move over Christopher Columbus, Admiral Zheng He is here
CFP ^ | March 11, 2005 | Judi McLeod

Posted on 03/11/2005 8:19:24 AM PST by MikeEdwards

That’s the day when the United Nations will begin trying to convince the world that Christopher Columbus did not discover North America, a Chinese-Muslim explorer discovered us a half century before C.C.

No, this is not science fiction. It is today’s cover story in Canada Free Press.

That the Canadian government has been selling off our natural resources, including the Alberta tar sands to the Chinese government ought to be worry enough for any with the sovereignty of our nation in mind.

Now we have a yet to be identified "respected Canadian architect" headed to the United Nations to tell the tale of a lost Chinese city found on the Atlantic Coast of North America.

This is a story that goes far beyond the romance of archeology and lost cities. This is a story that will put wings on a dream to convince the world that the Chinese arrived in the New World some 70 years before Christopher Columbus.

It is the beginning of a tale that could rewrite history and change the course of the world as we know it.

Gavin Menzies, a former British Navy submarine commander and author of the controversial best-selling book, 1421: The Year China Discovered the World, got the ball

The author, through a Canadian architect, has discovered what is believed to be the centuries lost naval base of China’s most famous explorer.

Opening chapters begin with a revelation made by Menzies to an accommodating Malaysian newspaper. With the credibility of a former British Navy submarine commander and the status of being a published author, Menzies had no trouble attracting media attention.

With the United Nations in on the act, the classroom childrens’ chant …"In 1492, Columbus sailed the ocean blue," will be purged from history texts and ceremoniously drowned. . . . .

(Excerpt) Read more at canadafreepress.com ...


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KEYWORDS: 1421; 1492; ageofsail; american; ancientnavigation; china; columbus; columbusday; discovery; gavinmenzies; godsgravesglyphs; navigation; north
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To: Captain Rhino
However, what does that matter? Phonecian, Irish, Scandinavian, Chinese exploration fleets, fishermen, may have all visited portions of the Western Hemisphere. They came, they saw, they didn't do much about it.

Africans made successful journeys to the Americas in the 1100-1200s, but they used surface currents to get there so they didn't make it back. Another previous visit that doesn't matter as much as Columbus'.

21 posted on 03/11/2005 9:04:41 AM PST by antiRepublicrat
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To: MikeEdwards

This is pure fiction.


22 posted on 03/11/2005 9:08:21 AM PST by FormerACLUmember (Honoring Saint Jude's assistance every day.)
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To: dmz; satchmodog9
Absolutely. Colonization and discovery are 2 very different things.

But making that discovery known to the rest of the world is part of the criteria for giving credit. For instance the patent office give precedence to the first person to file a patent for a device rather than the first person to design it. Science give priority to the first person to publish a paper not to the person who first came up with an idea.

23 posted on 03/11/2005 9:16:54 AM PST by Paleo Conservative (Hey! Hey! Ho! Ho! Andrew Heyward's got to go!)
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To: antiRepublicrat

"Africans made successful journeys to the Americas in the 1100-1200s, but they used surface currents to get there so they didn't make it back."

The evidence for this is what?


24 posted on 03/11/2005 9:18:18 AM PST by BadAndy (Specializing in unnecessarily harsh comments.)
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To: An Old Marine
"And the Irish were probably here around 800 AD."

Yes. I read recently that archeologists on the east coast discovered an ancient kitchen midden with the remains of a boiled potato and several empty bottles of Guinness. ;^)

25 posted on 03/11/2005 9:20:50 AM PST by capitan_refugio
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To: Bluegrass Conservative

Things have changed in the world of sovereignty and stateness since then. At that time Columbus was legally entitled to claim the New World for Spain. The people who were here already had no claim since they could not refute the Euro claim. European rules were the rules of the day.


26 posted on 03/11/2005 9:25:13 AM PST by RightWhale (Please correct if cosmic balance requires.)
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To: Captain Rhino
Do you recall that the explorer Thor Heyerdahl (of Kon Tiki fame) built a couple of reed boats to duplicate the Phoenician explorations? If memory serves, the first one sunk!
27 posted on 03/11/2005 9:26:10 AM PST by capitan_refugio
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To: capitan_refugio
As in many worthwhile endeavors, the path to success is often littered with the bones of the now forgotten heroes that tried and failed.
28 posted on 03/11/2005 9:31:18 AM PST by Captain Rhino ("If you will just abandon logic, these things will make a lot more sense to you!")
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To: BadAndy
The evidence for this is what?

First, there's the kingdom of Mali (an absurdly rich, powerful kingdom) being known to have sent hundreds of boats to see what's out in the Atlantic to trade with. All disappeared, except on one trip some returned to say the rest of the fleet was sucked away by a westward current. You'll see this if you look at the surface current map of the Atlantic, which has currents going straight from where Mali was (Western tip of Africa) to where evidence was found.

Then we found many carvings depicting black men and women, and skeletons of blacks with African cultural dental mutilations, and all far predating Columbus. There was a lot more.

29 posted on 03/11/2005 9:44:24 AM PST by antiRepublicrat
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To: MikeEdwards
1421: The Year China Discovered the World

The good Commander does not realized that it matters little who discovered what first; what matters is who made it stick.

"In 1492, Columbus sailed the ocean blue," will not likely be replaced with "In 1421, China was the one".

Columbus was the world's first democrat. When he left Spain, he didn't know where he was going. When he arrived in North America, he didn't know where he was. And when he got home, he didn't know where he had been. And he did it all on borrowed money.

30 posted on 03/11/2005 9:58:49 AM PST by MosesKnows
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To: antiRepublicrat

"Then we found many carvings depicting black men and women, and skeletons of blacks with African cultural dental mutilations, and all far predating Columbus. There was a lot more."

I checked the source of this info and it reeks of multicultural BS. Lots of hearsay, legends and 2nd hand stories. Little fact. Sorry but the source is not credible.


31 posted on 03/11/2005 10:02:54 AM PST by BadAndy (Specializing in unnecessarily harsh comments.)
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To: capitan_refugio

The first boat sank because the modern-day builders ignored ancient carvings clearly showing ropes from the top of the mast supporting the stern and prow.


32 posted on 03/11/2005 10:08:36 AM PST by Grand Old Partisan (You can read about my history of the GOP at www.republicanbasics.com)
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To: BadAndy
I checked the source of this info and it reeks of multicultural BS. Lots of hearsay, legends and 2nd hand stories. Little fact. Sorry but the source is not credible.

Keep reading, there's lots more. The team that found the negroid skeletons was from the Smithsonian.

One problem with people believing this is the common misconception that Africa was a very backwards continent, which is not factually true. They had rich kingdoms and overseas trading hundreds of years before Europeans rounded the tip of Africa.

BTW, Mali was so rich that it's king's spending money caused a gold market crash in Cairo when he went through on a pilgrimage.

Still, none of this takes away from Columbus. All previous visits resulted in no permanent settlement having contact with homeland.

33 posted on 03/11/2005 10:35:11 AM PST by antiRepublicrat
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To: bahblahbah
Who cares, apparently the Chinese didn't find it good enough to come back. Leif Erikson was here too in 1000 AD and that really doesn't matter either. People actually came back after Columbus.

And THAT is the key point. It took the Spanish & Portuguese -- followed by the English & French -- to integrate the western hemisphere with the rest of the "civilized" world. A chance visitation without lasting documentation really doesn't 'count'. BTW, I think the Vikings & possibly the Irish were here before Columbus. But I think that Columbus deserves the credit.

34 posted on 03/11/2005 10:55:07 AM PST by Tallguy
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To: Grand Old Partisan

Thanks! As I recall, they got some South Americans indians to build the second raft. When was that, anyway?


35 posted on 03/12/2005 12:29:06 AM PST by capitan_refugio
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To: Captain Rhino

Quite true. Thanks.


36 posted on 03/12/2005 1:18:27 AM PST by capitan_refugio
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To: capitan_refugio

I read about it in high schol, so it's all pretty vague.


37 posted on 03/12/2005 5:43:25 AM PST by Grand Old Partisan (You can read about my history of the GOP at www.republicanbasics.com)
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38 posted on 10/09/2006 9:07:21 AM PDT by SunkenCiv (If I had a nut allergy, I'd be outta here. https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/)
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To: Bluegrass Conservative
It is also a laughable myth that children are taught that Columbus proved the world is not flat.

It is well known that Eratosthenes was the first to accurately estimate the Earth's diameter, around 220 BC. It was also a well known fact in 1492.

39 posted on 10/09/2006 7:46:38 PM PDT by Bloody Sam Roberts (I can't complain...but sometimes I still do.)
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