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New study of Iceman reveals oldest known example of red blood cells
Phys.org ^ | May 08, 2015 | Bob Yirka

Posted on 05/09/2015 9:34:00 PM PDT by SunkenCiv

The Iceman as he has come to be known, (also known as Ötzi) has been the object of intense scrutiny ever since being found embedded in an Alpine glacier back in 1991 -- he is believed to have died approximately 5,300 years ago... a [moving] nano-sized probe... allows for capturing 3D imagery -- it revealed the clear doughnut shape of red blood cells. To confirm that the images they were seeing represented real red blood cells, the team shone a laser on the same material and read the wavelengths that were reflected back -- that revealed that the molecular makeup of the material matched that of red blood cells -- a finding that marks the oldest known preserved instance of a red blood cell.

Scientists believe the Iceman was approximately 46 years old when he died -- other research has led to the discovery that he suffered from a variety of illnesses and injuries and his skin was decorated with many tattoos, most of which are believed to have been applied as a means of alleviating joint pain, possibly due to arthritis or inflammation caused by Lyme Disease.

Also, by using Raman spectroscopy, the researchers found traces of fibrin, a clotting agent the body makes immediately after an injury occurs, which suggests very strongly that the Iceman died shortly after he was wounded -- it is generally absorbed shortly after an injury occurs as other agents take over. Because it was still present near the Iceman's wound suggests he died shortly after it was inflicted, likely from a blow to the head.

(Excerpt) Read more at phys.org ...


TOPICS: History; Science; Travel
KEYWORDS: ancientautopsies; godsgravesglyphs; helixmakemineadouble; iceman; oetzi; theiceman
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To: SunkenCiv

It’s kind of stunning to think about but when Jesus walked the earth
Otzi had been chilling on ice for 3,285 years already.


21 posted on 05/10/2015 12:17:23 AM PDT by TigersEye (STONE COLD ZOMBIE SCOURGE)
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To: SunkenCiv

Perhaps we should clone him to find out who shot him


22 posted on 05/10/2015 3:46:04 AM PDT by teeman8r (Armageddon won't be pretty, but it's not like it's the end of the world.)
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To: eartrumpet

Que King Missile


23 posted on 05/10/2015 4:14:19 AM PDT by NativeSon ( Grease the floor with Crisco when I dance the Disco)
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To: SunkenCiv
Scientists believe the Iceman was approximately 46 years old when he died
Why 46? If you're estimating the age of a guy who lived 5300 years ago, why not 45 years old?
Is the 46th year significant in some way?
24 posted on 05/10/2015 6:07:38 AM PDT by oh8eleven (RVN '67-'68)
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To: nathanbedford

I thought they would tell us his blood type!


25 posted on 05/10/2015 6:11:21 AM PDT by Domestic Church (AMDG ...)
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To: SunkenCiv

It said he took an arrow to the back but died of a head injury. Do you suppose the arrow was still in his back? Otherwise how would they know about the arrow?


26 posted on 05/10/2015 6:15:43 AM PDT by Ditter
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To: oh8eleven

They sawed through him and counted the rings.


27 posted on 05/10/2015 6:17:44 AM PDT by SunkenCiv (What do we want? REGIME CHANGE! When do we want it? NOW!)
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To: Ditter; TigersEye

Oetzi bled out from an arrow wound, the flint head was still in his body.

http://www.iceman.it/en/how-oetzi-died
http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2007/06/070607-iceman-murder.html

It’s interesting to think that he was one of a group, and since his death was probably within minutes, if the rest of the group was also killed, there may be more such finds in the Alps’ nooks and crannies.


28 posted on 05/10/2015 8:19:09 AM PDT by SunkenCiv (What do we want? REGIME CHANGE! When do we want it? NOW!)
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To: teeman8r

Some renegade Klingons tried that scam, got found out.


29 posted on 05/10/2015 8:20:12 AM PDT by SunkenCiv (What do we want? REGIME CHANGE! When do we want it? NOW!)
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To: chemical_boy

Egyptian mummies were intentionally preserved — Oetzi just slipped into a hole and got covered with ice later.


30 posted on 05/10/2015 8:28:16 AM PDT by SunkenCiv (What do we want? REGIME CHANGE! When do we want it? NOW!)
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To: eartrumpet

[Sam Kinison flashback]


31 posted on 05/10/2015 8:28:47 AM PDT by SunkenCiv (What do we want? REGIME CHANGE! When do we want it? NOW!)
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To: Domestic Church; nathanbedford; dp0622; gattaca

Oetzi was blood type O-positive, was Y-haplogroup G2a4-L91, mitochondria haplogroup K1, was lactose intolerant, was predisposed to coronary heart disease and stroke, suffered from atherosclerosis, had Lyme disease (may have cleared it), and had brown eyes.

http://science-fare.com/article/otzis-entire-genome-sequenced-first-time


32 posted on 05/10/2015 8:29:22 AM PDT by SunkenCiv (What do we want? REGIME CHANGE! When do we want it? NOW!)
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To: nathanbedford; Kenny Bunk

Probably some local ne’er-do-wells were killing him either for their own jollies, or robbery, or were hungry cannibals. He was carrying arrows, but probably everyone did. :’)


33 posted on 05/10/2015 8:30:57 AM PDT by SunkenCiv (What do we want? REGIME CHANGE! When do we want it? NOW!)
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To: djf

Right? And when they were digging the guy out of the snow, they just thought they’d found some hiker or skier who’d been lost so they kind of roughed him out of the snow and broke his balls, literally. If they had been more careful they could have had his junk which would have been frozen sperm and, well, you should know what they could have done. “Hey, Granpa!


34 posted on 05/10/2015 9:11:39 AM PDT by jmacusa (Liberalism defined: When mom and dad go away for the weekend and the kids are in charge.)
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To: chemical_boy
" red blood cells have been found in Egyptian Mummies that are nearly as old as the Iceman...its about one-upmanship and bragging rights "

YUP. You'd think they'd look around a little before bragging.

Bye, Bye Beringia (8,000 Year Old Site In Florida)

"*Skeletal remains of 169 people, split almost evenly between males and females, ranging from 6 to 70 years old. About 75 of the skeletons were relatively intact.
*90 intact human brains that include the oldest DNA samples in the World.
*Artifacts of wood, bone, and seed that were made into jewelry and tools, providing insight into the ancient peoples' lives.
*Tests showed the oldest skeletons were buried 8,100 years ago. The youngest was placed in the ground 6,900 years ago. "To put this into context," Doran said, "these people had already been dead for 3,000 or 4,000 years before the first stones were laid for the Egyptian pyramids!"

35 posted on 05/10/2015 10:43:26 AM PDT by blam (Jeff Sessions For President)
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To: SunkenCiv
Thomas Jefferson

K2

36 posted on 05/10/2015 10:47:57 AM PDT by blam (Jeff Sessions For President)
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To: SunkenCiv

Only seven days before this article, another article said:

‘Iceman Oetzi’ lived for a while after arrow wound
http://phys.org/news/2012-05-iceman-oetzi-arrow-wound.html#nRlv

My theory is that he took cover from his Italian pursuers(he was fleeing back home over the pass to Switzerland from a raid) He was bleeding out from the arrow wound in his back, but they found him and finished him off with a blow to the head.

“Taka that, you woman stealing Switzer!”

He had obviously pissed off some lowland dudes pretty bad for them to chase him that far up the mountain.


37 posted on 05/10/2015 3:53:43 PM PDT by wildbill (If you check behind the shower curtain for a murderer, and find one.... what's yoIur plan?)
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To: SunkenCiv
...if the rest of the group was also killed, there may be more such finds in the Alps’ nooks and crannies.

That is an intriguing thought.

Oetzi must have been nearly flash frozen to be in as good a shape as he is. Bleeding out may have assisted that process. I wonder if he may have even frozen to death before the blood loss stopped his heart. Or the two factors working together make it a tossup as to which was the primary cause of death.

Hypothermia would slow blood loss but blood loss would increase hypothermia. The fight must have taken place in severe weather conditions.

38 posted on 05/10/2015 4:01:53 PM PDT by TigersEye (STONE COLD ZOMBIE SCOURGE)
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To: SunkenCiv

Finding the body of someone from his group would be fantastic but finding the body and belongings of someone from the group that attacked him would yield an astronomical leap in information about the whole scene. Maybe they should do some sonar scans of the area.


39 posted on 05/10/2015 4:16:25 PM PDT by TigersEye (STONE COLD ZOMBIE SCOURGE)
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To: wildbill

:’) They found no sausage casing neolithic condoms on the body, so you may be onto something. ;’)

That was just over three years ago though.


40 posted on 05/10/2015 8:02:13 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (What do we want? REGIME CHANGE! When do we want it? NOW!)
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