Posted on 06/24/2023 9:07:39 AM PDT by SunkenCiv
This edition of the Toldinstone Q & A answers four more of your questions about the Greeks and Romans. If you have questions you'd like to ask, or want more detail about some aspect of my answers, please don't hesitate to let me know in the comments!
Chapters:
0:00 How much did the average Roman know about Parthia?
3:31 What did the Romans know about the city of Babylon?
5:33 What were the most stable periods in Roman history?
9:24 Did the Romans have ethnic stereotypes?Did the Romans have Ethnic Stereotypes? | 12:58 | Toldinstone Footnotes | 17K subscribers | 57,872 views | June 9, 2023
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Transcript · How much did the average Roman know about Parthia? 0:00 · welcome to this latest edition of the 0:02 · total Stone q a I'm Garrett Ryan and I'm 0:05 · here to answer your questions about the 0:07 · ancient Greeks and Romans 0:09 · if you have a question about Antiquity 0:11 · that I don't answer here please ask it 0:13 · in the comments and I add to my list 0:16 · today we have a nice tidy list of four 0:19 · questions the first of which submitted 0:21 · by DOTA Swatch is 0:23 · how much did the average Roman know 0:25 · about Parthia 0:27 · good question 0:29 · the parthian Empire is the Great Eastern 0:32 · adversary of the Romans for almost three 0:34 · centuries that was replaced by the 0:36 · sasanian a Persian Empire 0:39 · it Incorporated what's now Iraq and Iran 0:42 · parts of Afghanistan and a hefty chunk 0:44 · of the Central Asian Republics 0:46 · it was a formidable adversary as the 0:50 · Romans discovered to their great cost at 0:52 · Karai where crosses and much of his army 0:55 · was uh well lost 0:57 · there were many later Wars against the 1:00 · parthians Marc Anthony's campaigns the 1:03 · war of Nero and Armenia 1:05 · trajan's great conquest of Mesopotamia 1:07 · the war of Lucius Ferris and the 160s 1:10 · A.D and septemia severus's March into 1:13 · Northern Mesopotamia among others 1:16 · in all of these campaigns many Romans 1:18 · were involved and this is where most 1:21 · first-hand knowledge apartheid would 1:22 · have come if you were a soldier was 1:24 · marched out into the desert on one of 1:25 · these you would have seen at least a few 1:26 · parthian cities 1:28 · um and had at least a fleeting glimpse 1:30 · of the parthians armies with their 1:31 · Infamous parthian shots coming at you 1:34 · over your uh to Studio 1:37 · now besides Soldiers the Romans who have 1:40 · known Parthia best would have been 1:41 · Merchants there was extensive trade 1:43 · between Wars over the Syrian Frontier 1:46 · especially the Overland branch of the 1:49 · silk route Silk Road came in through 1:51 · Parthia and so those involved in that 1:53 · for a lucrative trade would have known 1:55 · bits of Parthia at least the frontier 1:57 · cities 1:58 · they're also of course were texts that 2:00 · recorded parthian geography parthian 2:04 · history we don't have too many of these 2:06 · sadly but they existed for those who 2:08 · were literate and had time on their 2:09 · hands 2:11 · for most Romans however who were not 2:13 · marching into Parthia trading with 2:15 · Parthia or reading about Parthia Parthia 2:18 · was known primarily Through The 2:19 · Monuments and commemorative coins of the 2:22 · Emperors who won victories there 2:25 · there were quite a few of these so in 2:26 · the Forum in the in Rome for example 2:29 · there is the septimius sephorus which 2:32 · commemorates his victories in 2:33 · Mesopotamia we still see if you look 2:35 · closely they're rather worn beliefs now 2:37 · troops marching through Mesopotamian 2:40 · cities and triumphing as their want to 2:42 · do in such monuments 2:44 · there's also the Lost arch of Augustus 2:46 · which commits that Emperor's recovery of 2:48 · the standards lost at Karai by crosses 2:53 · um in more General circulation so to 2:55 · speak there are coins handled by 2:57 · millions which commemorate the emperor's 2:59 · victories of aparthea showing standards 3:01 · recovered for example in the case of 3:03 · Augustus or Victory monuments raised in 3:06 · the wake of those victories 3:08 · they're even our provincial monuments so 3:10 · in Ephesus for example there is the 3:12 · parthian altar which is raised in the 3:14 · wake of which is various victories over 3:16 · the parthians 3:18 · so for most Romans in short parthias 3:20 · known through propaganda raised by the 3:23 · Emperors who had triumphed or claimed a 3:26 · triumph over their Eastern foes · What did the Romans know about the city of Babylon? 3:31 · our second question submitted by Anthony 3:33 · is closely tied to the first and it is 3:37 · how much did the Romans know about the 3:39 · city of Babylon 3:41 · well less than you might think 3:43 · so Babylon had been the great Metropolis 3:46 · of the near East much celebrated by 3:49 · Herodotus for example who enthused about 3:52 · the city's vast walls those uh baked 3:55 · brick behemoths that ring to the city 3:57 · later sources talked a great deal about 4:00 · the Hanging Gardens of Babylon which 4:02 · were inscribed in the lists of the Seven 4:04 · Wonders 4:05 · but by the time of Augustus and even 4:08 · well before Babylon had shrunked 4:11 · insignificance it had been supplanted 4:14 · these Lucid Kings these are the Kings 4:17 · who replaced Alexander who found an 4:19 · Empire it's initially quite vast 4:21 · stretching from Syria off to Afghanistan 4:24 · had centered their empire in Syria and 4:27 · Mesopotamia in Mesopotamia they had 4:29 · founded quite near Babylon the city of 4:31 · salukia on the Tigris 4:34 · is it taken a great deal of the 4:36 · lifeblood away from Babylon had taken 4:38 · its trade 4:39 · later still the arsasid parthian Kings 4:42 · had founded tisaphon near salukia and as 4:45 · someone remained of the wind in 4:47 · babylon's sales 4:49 · so by the reign of Augustus there wasn't 4:51 · much left of Babylon maybe a few temples 4:54 · and not much else 4:55 · everything those brick those great walls 4:59 · the Hanging Gardens the multitudinous 5:02 · houses 5:03 · seem to have sunk back down into the 5:04 · floodplain as mud brick does and uh not 5:08 · much was left 5:10 · the Romans knew where the city was or 5:12 · had been Thanks to their geographers and 5:15 · they marched over it a few times during 5:17 · the campaigns against the parthians 5:19 · during which Roman armies repeatedly 5:21 · sacked and burned salukia and tisaphon 5:24 · but Babylon itself was a ghost known if 5:28 · at all through literature · What were the most stable periods in Roman history? 5:33 · our next question submitted by 5:35 · Nathaniel's creative collections is 5:39 · besides the age of the five good 5:40 · Emperors what were the most stable 5:42 · periods in Roman history 5:46 · well stable depends of course on where 5:49 · you are and on who you are 5:51 · and who you are especially important 5:54 · because if you're in Rome for example 5:56 · even though you're usually exempt from 5:58 · things like Barbarian raids that be 6:00 · subject if you're a wealthy Senator to 6:03 · the depredations and other unwanted 6:05 · intentions of the emperor if he's 6:07 · someone like a Nero or a Caligula and of 6:10 · course people like that the ones who 6:11 · write our histories and determine our 6:12 · perspective on these periods so we have 6:15 · to kind of work around their Outlook 6:18 · but speaking more generally there are 6:20 · certainly eras in which there's General 6:22 · Tranquility across the Empire despite 6:24 · the usual uh rating on the edges and you 6:28 · know pestilence Within 6:30 · so the Julio claudian period that is you 6:33 · know the Emperors from Augustus to Nero 6:35 · is pretty good despite you know the uh 6:39 · unpleasantness of living in Rome under 6:41 · the Reigns of someone like Caligula or 6:43 · parts of Nero's reign 6:46 · um in the provinces it's a time of 6:47 · recovery from the wars of late Republic 6:49 · a time of General prosperity of 6:52 · population growth 6:54 · um and apparently it's it's pretty good 6:55 · for most people 6:57 · uh you know after this we have the year 6:59 · of the four Emperors which is good for 7:01 · almost no one Beyond Vespasian then 7:04 · again the flavian period is noises of 7:06 · calm the spaces rain the reign of Titus 7:08 · and domitian uh they're all pretty good 7:11 · in Roman around Rome 7:14 · um you know titus's Reign famously is 7:15 · marked by disasters of Vesuvius there's 7:18 · also a pestilence in Rome but it seems 7:20 · like for most people and despite 7:23 · emissions bad reputation among 7:25 · historians it's not a bad word not a bad 7:27 · time to be Roman again assuming you're 7:30 · free and relatively wealthy 7:33 · after this we have the year Reigns of 7:35 · the five Emperors who are always treated 7:36 · as the apogee rightly or wrongly got a 7:39 · video on that check it out told in stone 7:42 · um and then we have the chaos of Lake of 7:46 · commerce's Reign the late reign of 7:47 · counters especially and the year of the 7:49 · five Emperors 193. uh that again is a 7:53 · rough time to be in Rome especially for 7:55 · trying to claim the throne um or a 7:56 · soldier fighting for one of those 7:58 · emperors 7:59 · um but the severon period is actually 8:01 · again pretty stable 8:03 · would have been pretty wild to be in 8:04 · Rome I think during the valley gapless 8:07 · who is the the famous uh boy Emperor who 8:10 · throws a orgyestic rights for the sun 8:12 · god a lagabal in the capital again good 8:15 · time for everybody unless you're a 8:16 · senator 8:17 · but um after the severance of course the 8:20 · mid-third century that's when the props 8:22 · are kicked away and the Empire descends 8:24 · into the chaos of the military Anarchy 8:27 · there are oasis of calm after the 8:31 · mid-third century um the early 8:33 · patriarchic period for example was 8:35 · pretty good if you weren't a Christian 8:38 · um after this parts of Constantine's 8:41 · Reign uh the reign of his sons 8:43 · contagious II of the reign of 8:46 · valentinian uh even parts of the reign 8:48 · of theaters just the first are pretty 8:50 · stable throughout the Empire but they're 8:52 · only islands of calm there are more and 8:55 · more disruptions more Civil Wars more 8:57 · invasions 8:58 · and the fifth century is a real mess 9:00 · really almost across the Empire except 9:02 · for the east 9:04 · um so again you know it depends on who 9:06 · you are it depends on where you are and 9:08 · it's all the pitfalls of living in a 9:09 · pre-modern society where there's a short 9:12 · life expectancy and diseases everywhere 9:14 · but there are certainly long periods 9:16 · outside the remains of the five Emperors 9:17 · that are pretty stable in most Roman 9:20 · Empire · Did the Romans have ethnic stereotypes? 9:24 · our final question also submitted by 9:26 · Nathaniel's creative collections is 9:30 · do the Romans have stereotypes about 9:32 · people from different provinces or parts 9:34 · of the empire 9:36 · oh yeah 9:37 · now as you'd expect people who lived in 9:40 · the capital in the city of Rome tender 9:42 · regard provincials as uh unsophisticated 9:46 · Hicks of various descriptions 9:48 · but there was more granular stereotyping 9:52 · about those from different parts of the 9:54 · empire 9:55 · now those from the Barbarian fringes of 9:59 · the north and west that's like Northern 10:01 · Gaul Britain for example uh tended to be 10:03 · regarded as barbarians themselves 10:06 · essentially 10:07 · um can tell us famously has this little 10:10 · bit about people from Spain who rinse 10:13 · their teeth with urine probably didn't 10:15 · happen incidentally but again it's a fun 10:18 · little scrollless bit to squirrel away 10:20 · in an epigram 10:22 · um we hear about people who are beer 10:24 · drinkers they're from the north 10:26 · um so the emperor Valens for example 10:29 · um is stereotype as a Beer Drinker uh 10:31 · pants wearers and people again from the 10:33 · uncouth unsophisticated uncultivated 10:35 · North 10:37 · but the Romans really have it in 10:38 · interestingly for easterners who are 10:41 · seen in general as being sophisticated 10:43 · and clever but lazy and somehow unmanly 10:47 · the Greeks for example there are lots of 10:50 · Greeks in Rome many of them working as 10:52 · tutors for example or as merchants 10:55 · they're almost regard them as being 10:56 · tricky you know don't trust a Greek 10:58 · bearing gifts and all that sort of thing 11:01 · and I don't really trust them very often 11:03 · there's a lot of anti-greek stereotyping 11:07 · um it's it's on uh even though most 11:09 · educated Romans know Greek they're 11:11 · taught it from early age 11:13 · um you only speak Greek in the Senate 11:14 · it's not something it wouldn't be done 11:16 · because it's uh again kind of a 11:19 · not Roman 11:21 · now there's even more stereotyping about 11:24 · people from the Far Eastern provinces so 11:27 · Syria for example 11:29 · the ceterus juvenile has a rather 11:31 · vicious satire about syrians he uh 11:34 · laments how the orantas the river of 11:37 · Antioch is gushing into the Tiber and 11:40 · how syrians these effeminate dissolute 11:42 · syrians are everywhere 11:45 · and so again there's this idea that 11:47 · these people are trying to incinate 11:48 · themselves into Roman society and take 11:50 · the good jobs and uh get money for 11:53 · themselves where they they haven't 11:54 · earned 11:55 · uh Egyptians are also stereotyped as 11:57 · being uh tricky uh they're they're 12:00 · feverish According to some Urban 12:02 · stereotypes 12:03 · um an Egyptian is a natural Thief 12:05 · there's also regarded by some Romans as 12:08 · being almost morbidly religious juvenile 12:12 · again who has to be counted on for some 12:13 · good old-fashioned chauvinism 12:15 · um has a really vicious satire about a 12:18 · battle between two Egyptian Villages and 12:21 · has some really nasty comments about uh 12:23 · worship of animals and things like that 12:26 · so the Romans despite not being racist 12:29 · per se 12:30 · um have all kinds of bad things to say 12:32 · about people from different parts of 12:33 · their own Empire 12:35 · um and of course even less positive 12:37 · about barbarians who will live beyond 12:39 · the pale Beyond The Blessing as Roman 12:40 · civilization 12:43 · that wraps it up for this edition of 12:47 · tolenstone q a if you have questions 12:49 · about Antiquity feel free to drop them 12:51 · into the comments in the meantime thanks 12:53 · very much for watching
Sure, why not. People are people, human nature hasn’t changed. Ever.
“Did the Romans have Ethnic Stereotypes?”
Sure, you were either Roman, or a Barbarian.
Maybe the mother wolf’s milk somehow got into the DNA of Romulus and Remus.
We’re they human?
I read once that there was a common saying in the Ancient Mediterranean whenever a new concept was being discussed: “The Greeks have a word for that.”
FWIW: You know why the statute david and other statues and drawings at that time showed men with small “members”? It was because the size of your junk was inversely associated with the size of your brain. So small junk = big brain. And big junk = small brain.
Wow, that got that one wrong. /rimshot
Heh, and probably pretty close to correct. :^)
Did they? Not to be racist...but think about a certain race and their size and their supposed lack of smarts.
Of course not.
Romans were strict individualists and judged each person solely on their internal merits.
(do not ask if that is sarcasm. If you can not tell you need to get off the internet for a week or so)
I’m pretty sure they did.
Much talk of Tacitus and his “Germania”.
He may not have known much about the actual Germans, but he created a vivid picture of them that influenced later German history.
Also, Cato the Elder sure had stereotypes about Greeks.
And no. Suggest you read "Sailing the Wine-Dark Sea" by Cahill to understand why the Roman statues, which were rip offs from the Greeks, would have been sculpted in that way.
Oh and the stereotype started and stopped in the Renaissance. LOL. It’s a long time stereotype. You can even see it today but it’s applied to race more than just junk size.
Not carved by a Roman with Roman ethnic stereotypes. So it would be irrelevant.
It's a long time stereotype.
Nope. Pretty recent as far as human history goes.
During the time and area you were talking about it was a high forehead that was a sign of intelligence. In fact people used to pluck their hair to make their forehead appear higher.
In other times and places it was having long fingers that meant that you were intelligent.
Here you go. Enjoy learning something new for yourself :-)
https://pictolic.com/en/article/6-reasons-why-ancient-statues-have-such-small-penises
People have been stereotyping each other since the Homo Sapien family tree developed its second phenotype. It’s hard-wired into our behavior (and DNA) to focus on what’s different about people, and to use that information to distinguish “us” from “them.”
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