Blogger admits Hawaii birth certificate forgery, subverting Obama claims (Uh-oh)

Israel Insider ^ | 3 July 2008 | Reuven Koret

[SE Mom]

Jay McKinnon, a self-described Department of Homeland Security-trained document specialist, has implicated himself in the production of fraudulent Hawaii birth certificate images similar to the one endorsed as genuine by the Barack Obama campaign, and appearing on the same blog entry where the supposedly authentic document appears.

The evidence of forgery and manipulation of images of official documents, triggered by Israel Insider's revelation of the collection of Hawaii birth certificate images on the Photobucket site and the detective work of independent investigative journalists and imaging professionals in the three weeks since the publication of the images, implicate the Daily Kos, an extreme left blog site, and the Obama campaign, in misleading the public with official-looking but manipulated document images of doubtful provenance.

The perceived unreliability of the image has provoked petitions and widespread demands for Obama to submit for objective inspection the paper versions of the "birth certificate" he claimed in his book Dreams from My Father was in his possession, as well as the paper version of the Certificate of Live Birth for which the image on the Daily Kos and the Obama "Fight the Smears" website was supposedly generated.

Without a valid birth certificate, Obama cannot prove he fulfills the "natural born citizen" requirement of the Constitution, throwing into doubt his eligibility to run for President.

McKinnon, who says he is 25-30 years old, operates a website called OpenDNA.com and uses the OpenDNA screen name on various web sites and blogs, including his comments and diary on The Daily Kos. In recent years he has divided his time between Long Beach, California and Vancouver, British Columbia. He is a Democratic political activist, frequent contributor to the left wing Daily Kos blog, and a fervent Barack Obama supporter.

[Gatún(CraigIsaMangoTreeLawyer)]

Although I posted this to another freeper a little ealier, I thought you would enjoy the last paragraph:

“Article II of the U.S. Constitution disqualifies McCain from assuming office because he was born in the Commonwealth of Panama in 1936, while his father was stationed at Coco Solo Naval Air Station in the Panama Canal Zone, the lawsuit contends.”

Nothing is going to happen until these losers learn to read and do their homework:

1. Panama is not the “Commonwealth of Panama.” It is the Republic of Panama.

2. There was never such a thing as “Coco Solo Naval Air Station.” It was Coco Solo Naval Station.

It appears they are getting their “facts” out of Wikipedia.

What a bunch of lazy, fried brains.

By the way, Panamanians are thrilled that McCain, a Panamanian by birth having been born in Colón, Republic of Panama, may be the first Panamanian president of the United States. Every time the subject is brought forth, they can’t stop laughing.

P.S., David,

I have been surprised at how many Panamanians are fully aware that McCain was born in Colón, a fellow Panamanian…I am just amazed.

[David]

#5121--I did. But as long as you are at it, are you aware of direct Panama law making McCain a citizen because he was born there? I believe such law exists--I believe the Panamanian pattern in this regard was copied from the US when Panama became independent of Columbia.

Or, otherwise, is there any doubt that McCain in fact became a citizen of Panama when he was born there?

I don't believe the result is different if there is no specific law on the subject--for purposes of the "natural born" test in the U S Constitution, the reason for the requirement is that when a person is born in another country, by reason of his birth, he is subject to the sovereignty of that country which could subject him to any law it might choose. That is why the "natural born" test really requires birth in the geographical territory of the several states.

[Chief Engineer]

Look what I just found in the comments section of “The Honolulu Star- Bulletin”

http://www.topix.net/forum/source/honolulu-star-bulletin/TUUP3L52355OGPOJ5/p5

Comment number #87

Take the birth certificate nonsense for example. I worked in KWCMC Medical Records and saw the birth log entry for him, in the actual birth log, in between all the other births for that day, same ink, same handwriting as the adjacent days, impossible to interpolate or fake. So forget the birth certificate already, just makes you folks look like baboozes.

[bvw]

No name, no date, a strident arrogant and condescending tone in an off-topic interjection on a vacation rental topic discussion and the place that “loco moco” posts from is “Silver Spring, MD”. A detailed memory of a hospital log book entry that would have been made 47 years ago. And that says to the rational observer what?

[David]

Look what I just found in the comments section of “The Honolulu Star- Bulletin”:

"Take the birth certificate nonsense for example. I worked in KWCMC Medical Records and saw the birth log entry for him, in the actual birth log, in between all the other births for that day, same ink, same handwriting as the adjacent days, impossible to interpolate or fake. So forget the birth certificate already, just makes you folks look like baboozes.

It would not surprise me if the comment is correct. As you know, I have long speculated that what happened was that Stanley Ann and Obama returned to Hawaii on or before August 8 and made some kind of filing with Department of Health. If I had been the lawyer, I would have had a nice neat Affidavit of Home Birth, complete with a footprint, and an undated Doctor's Examination Certificate (done on the 8th). The Department of Health would have accepted it, filed it, and it would have been entered and reported just as the record we can see reflects.

I might well have tried to get a doctor who would slip the whole thing into the Hospital record where he practiced.

The only inconsistency of that course of action with the actual record is that they haven't released those documents. And if that were the actual state of affairs, they should have. From that I draw the inference that the record will contain some other information that will cast doubt on the birth in Honolulu legend.

bvw's comment in #5124 is appropriate. The post this issue addresses is a self serving comment by an Obama supporter. However my own expectations of reality are not far off those facts.

But it is a complete answer to say--well if that is what the record reflects, they would release it; their failure to do so is effective testimony that either that isn't what the record shows or alternatively that kind of record also includes other information that would tell the reader he was born in Kenya which I continue to believe he was.

[Calpernia]

Has anyone said WHY McCain was born in Colon? Were there troops stationed there? When Null and Void posted the map, it looked like a distance from the Naval Station. Where would have McCain Sr.’s wife have been living at the time? Why was she there?

[bvw]

Timely Reminder to All Officials Who May Read This.

From Wikipedia:

"Misprision of Felony" is still an offense under United States federal law after being codified in 1909 under 18 U.S.C. § 4:

Whoever, having knowledge of the actual commission of a felony cognizable by a court of the United States, conceals and does not as soon as possible make known the same to some judge or other person in civil or military authority under the United States, shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than three years, or both.

[pissant]

ANd I view this as highly suspicious. Obama shows up in Hawaii then all the sudden you get an MSM article, a 2nd birth announcement from a paper and this comment.

All the fool has to do is release his ‘original’ birth certificate. Instead we get a stealth campaign. It stinks. And it stinks because he issued a forgery and can’t possibly admit that and stay in politics.

[David]

ANd I view this as highly suspicious. Obama shows up in Hawaii then all the sudden you get an MSM article, a 2nd birth announcement from a paper and this comment.

Have we ever seen the masthead or even the page head on the second announcement? What newspaper did it appear in? Where did they get their data?

Not that I don't believe it happened; I would just like to accumulate hard data.

As to the timing, I assume that he has been seeking to find a way to reconcile the public record with the actual document file. I assume further that he has attempted to put the lips on his grandmother--whether or not successful.

[Gatún(CraigIsaMangoTreeLawyer)]

You have FReepmail.

[Gatún(CraigIsaMangoTreeLawyer)]

“Has anyone said WHY McCain was born in Colon?”

There was no hospital at Coco Solo Naval Station.

“Were there troops stationed there?”

Yes, there were navy folks stationed at Coco Solo.

“When Null and Void posted the map, it looked like a distance from the Naval Station.”

No, not really. I have no idea how many minutes it would have taken to drive from Coco Solo to Colon Hospital, but it is really not that far.

Where would have McCain Sr.’s wife have been living at the time? Why was she there?

She and her husband were living in Coco Solo. He was stationed there.

[Calpernia]

Thanks!

[Gatún(CraigIsaMangoTreeLawyer)]

You are most welcome.

[Fred Nerks]

ANNOUNCEMENT LINK.

A research librarian at the Hawaii State Library just told me she will email me a copy of BOH's birth announcement. She stated someone else had asked for that info recently and still had it readily available in her folder. It appeared in the Honolulu Sunday Advertiser on Aug. 13, 1961. It said that Mr. and Mrs. BHO had a son on Aug. 4, 1961. Gives their address as 605 Kalaninole Highway. It does not give the name of a hospital were the birth occurred or the name of the son. So, to me, the question remains- Was BHO Jr. actually born on US soil? BHO needs to provide verifiable proof of the exact location (Hawaiian hospital) where he was born.

NOTE: the street number quoted above as 605 should be 6085.

very indistinct, about four from the bottom.

[Fred Nerks]

http://www.hawaiireporter.com/story.aspx?2e538a64-63fe-456e-9860-71f1613ecbe3

Honolulu Advertiser Has Become Newsletter of the Democrat Party
Editor Tries to Explain Away Blatant Bias Against Republicans
By Malia Zimmerman, 10/28/2002 3:17:11 AM

Malia Zimmerman

If there was any doubt that Gannett-owned The Honolulu Advertiser is the official propaganda piece of the Democratic Party and socialism in Hawaii, it was totally removed by the paper’s published reports within the last week and the subsequent scramble by editorial writers to adamantly deny their blatant bias...

(Are Sunday Advertiser and Honolulu Advertiser the same?)

[Fred Nerks]

https://verify1.newsbank.com/cgi-bin/ncom/HNAB/ec_signin

13 August, 1961. Birth Announcements. Pay a fee and check the archives?

I don’t have a credit card or paypal...

[David]

13 August, 1961. Birth Announcements. Pay a fee and check the archives? I don’t have a credit card or paypal...

Don't worry about it for the moment. I just wanted to pin down where the second publication occurred. You wonder where the Advertiser got its data.

In connection with a similar effort on the first publication, they claim they got the information directly from department of Health. Now the response was such a guarantee that it was a gold plated fact that you assume it came from an Obama supporter but the format of their publication was that they were publishing record data from the state.

The response attributed the report to the Doctors and the Hospitals. Well, you say, which Doctor? Which Hospital?

As I said above, and I suspect Mrs. Dunham (Stanley Ann's mother) is probably the culprit, if you were going to attempt to file a Kenya birth as a Hawaii birth and had connections in the local community, you might well have a doctor who practiced at one of the local hospitals who might have been a participant--without putting him in a position where he committed a crime doing it.

He got the affidavit of birth under the Hawaii statute; attached a certificate of examination (on 8 August); and put it in through a hospital where he practiced. He doesn't say he delivered; he doesn't say the birth actually occurred there; he just says the kid was born August 3 to Mr. & Mrs. x x x who live at x x x; and stops there.

If that is the kind of record they have, at least if I were in their position, I might well just open it up and publish it. Its only material deficiency would be that it doesn't actually say he was born in Hawaii. Obama can finesse that--he was born at home because his parents had no money.

As we say above, the fact that they haven't done that is testimony to the fact that one of two conditions exists: Either they don't have that much; or, there is something else in the record they don't want you to see because it says he was born in Kenya.

The other issue from his Hawaii trip is his Grandmother Dunham. She knows! Exactly what happened at the birth. You don't know what her disposition will be. Either Obama has some reason to believe that she will not be supportive, or he is concerned that she will let the facts slip.

He spends a few minutes with the grandmother who raised him on a week vacation trip next door? The relationship does not seem particularly close.

[spokeshave]

"Obama can finesse that--he was born at home because his parents had no money"

Obambi isn't going to be able to make that case...they just jetted in from Kenya.....

[Fred Nerks]

The other issue from his Hawaii trip is his Grandmother Dunham. She knows!

http://the.honoluluadvertiser.com/dailypix/2008/Apr/08/hawaii80408061V1_b.jpg

[Chief Engineer]

Another interesting article from “The Honolulu Star - Bulletin”, which btw is the paper in which the second ‘birth announcement’ appeared. Interesting (pandering) comment that Madelyn Dunham identified more with Hillary Clinton.

http://starbulletin.com/2008/08/10/news/story03.html

In another article I read, Maya Soetoro Ng apparently takes her grandmother out each night to view the sunset. Too bad Obama wasn’t as endearing during his recent week vacation. The entire family visited grandma one night from 6:50 p.m. to 7:15 p.m.! Obama carried in a gift basket while his eldest daughter carried in some books. The local newspapers provided a minute by minute itinerary while he was there much to the chagrin of readers! The comments on the various Obama stories goes under the priceless, albeit humorous, category!