Posted on 04/21/2012 8:08:42 PM PDT by hadit2here
The U.S. military has become expert at controlling urban populations in Iraq but why is the Department of Homeland Security building similar capabilities here?
Unfortunately, the federal governments war on freedom is a subject still dominated mostly by conspiracy theorists, end-of-the-worlders, and yes, crackpots who hold highly marginal and dismissible views. Fortunately, some of that is changing with the rise of smart preppers.
I think most people concerned about liberty would appreciate an honest, probative look at actual plans and initiatives that federal authorities are now developing in earnest. Not wild conclusions based on dark conspiracy theories that make most rational people roll their eyes. But a careful assessment of what Uncle Sam and his legions of high-tech crony capitalists are actually building and developing.
In this case, whats on the table for scrutiny is nothing less than the creation of a national population surveillance and control grid.
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Ask Bellinger why he destroyed the very successful internal security newsletter “The American Sentinel” starting in 1988 by mismanagement, stupidity and a lack of knowledge of the subject as opposed to it having been a financial and media success from 1971-1988.
That’s why dear leader is pushing hard for rail expansion. He thinks we are all stupid.
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I hadn’t put 2 and 2 together until this thread came along. The assertions are supported by actual field work from this Administration over the past 3 years.
The studies and reports didn’t make any sense at the time,...just something chalked up as uneducated inner city political appointees making foolish operational plans with little to no logistics or transportation background, but being funded and placed by powerful players from other agencies throughout the DoD.
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the big problem with this is that Northern Virginia is just a bridge away from DC. There are only so many armed federal officers in DC and the DC police will not be very much help due to rioting in the DC slums.
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Gestapo tactics. Himmler would be jealous.
Don’t be inviting your conspiracy kooks over here, whatever you do! ;)
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Good grief! Won’t sleep for a couple of days after pondering all of this while watching blade runner.
Agenda 21.
> Good grief! Wont sleep for a couple of days after pondering all of this while watching blade runner.
Watch “Minority Report” too, while contemplating the vast myriad of laws that can be brought to bear on you, or worse-yet violations of non-law that people assume is valid.
I went to the home page,no thanks!

U.S. Building a Domestic Population-Control Grid Based on Military Ops
The U.S. military has become expert at controlling urban populations in Iraq but why is the Department of Homeland Security building similar capabilities here?
Thanks, combat_boots.
I think it is time to abolish the Dept. of Homeland Security (as well as the Departments of HUD, Education, Energy, and maybe others). There is nothing in its purpose that does not fall under the raison d’etre of the Dept of Defense.
On the other hand, the 20th Cent. shows us that a government intent on becoming a dictatorship does not need all these high=tech toys to stomp on human freedom.
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Drone Use Takes Off on the Home Front
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052702304331204577354331959335276.html
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With little public attention, dozens of universities and law-enforcement agencies have been given approval by federal aviation regulators to use unmanned aircraft known as drones, according to documents obtained via Freedom of Information Act requests by an advocacy group.
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“The very same drone that was staking out a nest of insurgents and possibly shooting them could be deployed in New York for surveillance” after removal of weaponry, Mr. Calo said. He said the use of drones could spark a wider debate about privacy because people aren’t accustomed to such technology. “If you bring back a tank from Afghanistan, you don’t expect it to show up in a park,” he said.”
The great embarrassment, Rep. Sheila Jackson Lee just announced a new coordinated effort through TSA to monitor buses within Houston. Checkpoints, random searches, parading dogs through terminals and onto Metro buses.
WE THE PEOPLE are now the suspects. This has been formulated with the approval of Democrats and Republicans.
Folks, the Republican party is NOT your friend.
The folks I know who consider themselves 'preppers' tend toward liberal...

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Car makers are being encouraged to install black-box tracking systems in all new cars.
Some $31 billion has been spent since 2003 to create mini-CIA domestic Fusion Centers where local police monitor the political activities of private citizens, then send that data to Washington. Considering that constitutionalist and patriots are identified in federal documents as possible terror threats who should be watched, these fusion centers are a genuine cause for concern.
Major grants are going to local police departments for license plate readers to track autos (and by extension, their operators) automatically.
Thuggish tactics FDA unleashes undercover operations to bring off-the-grid rural farming communities such as the Amish to heel under the pretense of curbing raw milk sales across state lines.
New portable facial-analysis lie detectors some units are based on thermal imaging technology are being developed for wider use as in a national checkpoint system.
Tools for the totalitarian state being assembled...
The other side of the coin, the more high-tech you go, the easier it could be to foil them. The Afghans and Taliban do it all the time. One tactic to defeat infrared vision is to find a rock sitting in the sun all day and crawl up on it and cover yourself with a blanket. To night vision, the blanket makes you look like part of the rock. All the high tech over there we have and it can be defeated by a $5.00 blanket.
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One step at a time our beloved nation has been turned into the USSR. CWII is around the corner. Maybe even this summer. Sparked by the Travon Martin incedent.
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Wow, first I’ve heard of that specific VIPR program. Holy crap. I’m reading all I can find about it. I think we’re already circling the drain...
I saw this coming pre-Eschelon/Tempest (NSA) in early-1996, way before 9-11. An IT friend who hard-wired The Puzzle Palace’s TS/EO underground floors and other TS/EO installations, confirmed that it was well-underway years before. So many top secret installations/data collection center/info repositories worldwide, it’s beyond simply scary.
It’s already way too late for this Constitutional Republic. We’re past circling the drain and headed down the proverbial “rabbit hole”.
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Strong men are harder to control.
Lets not forget that the DHS just bought 450 MILLION rounds of terminal performance .40 caliber ammo. Not BALL, this is JHP.
Now, who is all that ammunition going to be issued to?
Between all the FED LE agencies, probably less than 50k armed agents.
So, again who is that ammunition going to be issued to?
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Some old wise men, a long time ago, wrote a guidebook for free people called The Constitution of the United States.
Conservatives strongly believe what they wrote because it has worked quite well for over 200 years.
The Moderates would like to change it a bit, and the Democrats, believers in communism, would like to destroy it.
It’s time to choose sides. Ask yourself what are you?
DO YOU KNOW WHAT A PATRIOT IS?
PATRIOTS are not “Revolutionaries” trying to overthrow the government of the United States.
PATRIOTS are “Counter-Revolutionaries” trying to prevent the government of the United States, from overthrowing the Constitution of the United States.
- Unknown Author
What the authors of Why Is It Necessary For The Federal Government To Turn The United States Into A Prison Camp? and U.S. Building a Domestic Population-Control Grid Based on Military Ops apparently have forgotten is that each and every state have their own Constitutions, that’s right they have their own state sovereignty. If the federal government ever thinks that it can simultaneously take over the individual sovereignty of the 50 great states that make up these United States then we will have to have simultaneously surrendered our state sovereignty to it.
I don’t think that is about to happen. Why not? Because there is men and women, Patriots, in every state who will demand their Governors rise up and protect their state sovereignty the same way that a mother grizzly bear protects her cubs.
I’m sorry that some of you would be willing to lay down and surrender your arms if a law demands that you do so. I’m not one who could ever do that, consequently I will do everything I can to make certain that such a law never gets passed. Not so much that I don’t want to become a criminal but because I have seen the horrors of combat and I don’t wish to ever repeat those days.
Freedom, individual liberty is something worth dying for. Not something that a man or woman should ever be willing to surrender. I can’t help but wonder what would have happened if the Nazi’s had had to face a gun barrel every time they started ordering the German Jews around. Would we have had a second World War. Would there have been a Holocaust?
OMG, I’m finding that out with every article I read about it. I had no idea what it was or that it even existed. Thanks for the info, u.
ABSOLUTELY INDEED.
Ah, delightful! Another person awakens.
I’ve not awakened, this has been my battle cry for quite a long time.
Slowly, but surely, folks are seeing the truth. Unfortunately, it is painfully slow.
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