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RUSSIAN SKS 1951 TULA

Posted on 01/13/2014 3:44:06 AM PST by JoeProBono

My local gun shop is advertising the RUSSIAN SKS 1951 TULA for "$500.00 Excellent Condition with Bayonet Attached".

I'm sorely tempted to break open my piggy bank. Freeper opinions appreciated.


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KEYWORDS: banglist; sks

1 posted on 01/13/2014 3:44:06 AM PST by JoeProBono
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To: JoeProBono

If it were me, I’d inspect this very closely. There are essentially two price sets. One is for an original, and the other is for imports with US parts substituted. Import marks, signs of re-barreling, different bolts, other parts, different markings on the cover, etc.

That price seems steep to me. I’ve seen prices for very good ones in the $325 range in the past - I don’t know about now.


2 posted on 01/13/2014 3:49:40 AM PST by Gaffer
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To: JoeProBono

https://www.google.com/search?q=RUSSIAN+SKS+1951+TULA&tbm=isch&tbo=u&source=univ&sa=X&ei=w9LTUtWCBMS3kQe45oCwBg&ved=0CEcQsAQ&biw=1280&bih=564

If $500 is your play money, sure. Otherwise...no.


3 posted on 01/13/2014 3:49:47 AM PST by Gen.Blather
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To: JoeProBono

If Ya got the$$$ go for it


4 posted on 01/13/2014 3:49:52 AM PST by mabarker1 (Please, Somebody Impeach the kenyan!!!!)
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To: JoeProBono
Sounds like a great deal. SKSs are excellent designs - low recoil, very dependable, readily available ammo, adequate power, light and handy.

I still have my VC SKS and it works fine despite some rust from its time in the jungle.

5 posted on 01/13/2014 3:50:34 AM PST by Chainmail (A simple rule of life: if you can be blamed, you're responsible.)
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To: Gaffer

Many of the rifles of that era are rebuilds.


6 posted on 01/13/2014 3:52:17 AM PST by djf (OK. Well, now, lemme try to make this clear: If you LIKE your lasagna, you can KEEP your lasagna!)
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To: JoeProBono
The SKS does not come with a detachable mag. Other than that it is a good weapon. I had mine modified to accept a mag but now have feed problems with it. Wish I'd have spent a bit more cash and gotten an AK.

A word of warning on .762 mil ammo, lots of it available from Russia but it is all steel; even the “soft points” are steel, just dipped in lead. Indoor ranges won't let you shoot them.

7 posted on 01/13/2014 3:52:19 AM PST by logic101.net (How many more children must die on the altar of "gun free zones"?)
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To: JoeProBono

Don’t know the Tula thing. I do know they were giving SKSs away for $90 or so 10 years ago.


8 posted on 01/13/2014 3:59:15 AM PST by Vaquero (Don't pick a fight with an old guy. If he is too old to fight, he'll just kill you.)
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To: Vaquero

Tula is the largest armory/manufacturer in Russia.

The SKS was manufactured until 1956, when it was replaced by the AK-47


9 posted on 01/13/2014 4:02:39 AM PST by djf (OK. Well, now, lemme try to make this clear: If you LIKE your lasagna, you can KEEP your lasagna!)
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To: JoeProBono

The Chinese SKS are going for over $300 now. I would think a real Russian might be worth it. I seen one for $600


10 posted on 01/13/2014 4:05:16 AM PST by caver (Obama: Home of the Whopper)
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To: JoeProBono

lots of aftermarket parts. Some good, some bad.
Cheaper than dirt carries some.
Also you can import ammo for it from the russian army and have it sent to your home U.P.S.
Pretty kool when a wooden box with Russian print all over identifying 1000
rounds weighing 50 pounds shows up


11 posted on 01/13/2014 4:13:42 AM PST by Joe Boucher ((FUBO) obammy lied and lied and lied)
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To: JoeProBono

One thing to keep in mind.

The SKS’s (at least the Russian ones) have no spring on the firing pin, the firing pin kind of “free-floats” in the bolt.

So if it gets jammed or bent or fudged up in the forward position... you are in full auto until your clip is out.


12 posted on 01/13/2014 4:15:27 AM PST by djf (OK. Well, now, lemme try to make this clear: If you LIKE your lasagna, you can KEEP your lasagna!)
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To: Joe Boucher


13 posted on 01/13/2014 4:19:47 AM PST by JoeProBono (SOME IMAGES MAY BE DISTURBING VIEWER DISCRETION IS ADVISED;-{)
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To: JoeProBono

That’s the Russian flavor, it has the blade bayonet, not the spike.

Also be aware much of the older Chinese 7.62X39 is the corrosive primer type stuff.


14 posted on 01/13/2014 4:22:31 AM PST by djf (OK. Well, now, lemme try to make this clear: If you LIKE your lasagna, you can KEEP your lasagna!)
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To: caver

15 posted on 01/13/2014 4:22:48 AM PST by JoeProBono (SOME IMAGES MAY BE DISTURBING VIEWER DISCRETION IS ADVISED;-{)
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To: JoeProBono

Is this gun unsurpassed by anything made in America or is
it just a collectors item?


16 posted on 01/13/2014 4:25:49 AM PST by Slambat
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To: Joe Boucher

17 posted on 01/13/2014 4:27:02 AM PST by JoeProBono (SOME IMAGES MAY BE DISTURBING VIEWER DISCRETION IS ADVISED;-{)
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To: Slambat

18 posted on 01/13/2014 4:28:44 AM PST by JoeProBono (SOME IMAGES MAY BE DISTURBING VIEWER DISCRETION IS ADVISED;-{)
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To: logic101.net

I just tried out a couple of Tapco 20 round detachable mags this weekend. They functioned perfectly.

Word of warning though:

While in original configuration, the SKS is considered a curio and relic by the BATFE. If you make any changes to parts on the BATFE list, you must put in enough US-made parts to satisfy 922r requirements for imported rifles. Do a web search for “SKS 922r” and you will find several guides for what you can and can’t do.


19 posted on 01/13/2014 4:47:29 AM PST by EricT. (ARBEIT MACHT FREI- now get back to work you taxpaying peasant!)
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To: JoeProBono
J&G has this Chinese SKS for $499.

It's a mid '60s arsenal 26 milsurp in decent, not great, condition.

$500 buck for any SKS seems extortionate to me but these days, it seems to be what they're going for - and the Russian is a much better deal.

20 posted on 01/13/2014 4:51:05 AM PST by InABunkerUnderSF (Explain again, why don't you need to fill out form 4473 to buy a pressure cooker?)
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To: JoeProBono

good job Joe.
Cept they ususally come 10 wrapped in that same paper with a nicely tied ribbon though without the stripper clip.


21 posted on 01/13/2014 4:51:36 AM PST by Joe Boucher ((FUBO) obammy lied and lied and lied)
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To: djf

Yes...the only thing I can say is if you see a vibrated engraver number on it or even a laser-dotted SN, it is likely not worth the $500 price tag.

Of all the Russian/Yugo imports, I think the SKS is the least valuable. I used to see these things go for $100 over a decade ago. Heck, I once bought 6 of the folding bayonets for a dollar each to use as tent stakes (work great for that).


22 posted on 01/13/2014 4:52:50 AM PST by Gaffer
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To: logic101.net

lot of ranges run by ex American solders do not like you to shoot Russian guns like Dragonov as they were used against them.
But when you show up with a real good one Everyone on the range takes note.


23 posted on 01/13/2014 4:54:08 AM PST by Joe Boucher ((FUBO) obammy lied and lied and lied)
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To: Gaffer

LOL!
Tent stakes!

There ya go!


24 posted on 01/13/2014 4:55:16 AM PST by djf (OK. Well, now, lemme try to make this clear: If you LIKE your lasagna, you can KEEP your lasagna!)
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To: djf

That’s a true story....saw them at that price and snapped them up. I just couldn’t resist. Probably for a Yugo SKS folder bayonet, but who could argue with the price?


25 posted on 01/13/2014 4:56:37 AM PST by Gaffer
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To: Gaffer

26 posted on 01/13/2014 5:13:13 AM PST by JoeProBono (SOME IMAGES MAY BE DISTURBING VIEWER DISCRETION IS ADVISED;-{)
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To: JoeProBono
The Russian SKS is one of the more desirable SKS and is sought after by collectors these days.

First you should make certain all the numbers match. There will be matching serial numbers stamped on the trigger guard, stock, receiver, bolt carrier, bolt, receiver cover and magazine. Sometimes they stamped only the last 3 or 4 digits of the master serial number that is on the receiver to the other parts, sometimes the whole number. See if the numbers are all stamped or electro-penciled.

Next see if the stock is laminated or solid wood. Laminated would indicate it was an arsenal refurb. Also the finish should be blued. Painted indicates a refurb. Bolt and carrier should be bright steel, unblued.

There should be a blade bayonet attached and cleaning kit in the buttstock.

Finally look around on the barrel and receiver for electro-stenciled importer's marks. Usually will say something like Century Arms, St. Albans, VT or some other importer. This will indicate a recent import. If you can't find an importer's mark then the value will be considerably higher indicating an older import possibly even a war trophy from Viet Nam (most of those were Chinese)

If the bore , wood and metal are in excellent condition and the numbers match then the price is good even for a refurb.

If there are no importer marks it would easily sell for double that price assuming original parts and everything matches.

27 posted on 01/13/2014 5:24:50 AM PST by Jed Eckert (Wolverines!!)
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To: logic101.net
The SKS does not come with a detachable mag. Other than that it is a good weapon. I had mine modified to accept a mag but now have feed problems with it. ......

My son did the same thing to a Chicom SKS and created a Jam-o-matic. I brought it back to its original configuration and introduced him to stripper clips and their proper usage. After a bit a practice you can actually reload from a stripper clip as quickly as swapping out a detachable mag. The only advantage to the detachable mag is capacity. That advantage quickly evaporates if you get even one jam per mag.

28 posted on 01/13/2014 5:41:28 AM PST by Jed Eckert (Wolverines!!)
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To: JoeProBono

Yep....that’s the ones I got. Except they had a spring loaded collar on the black part that also had the barrel mount on it.


29 posted on 01/13/2014 5:47:58 AM PST by Gaffer
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To: djf

the SKS was surplanted by the AK in 1947, they still made SKSs for decades....the one my friend had was Chinese and cost him less than $100. the store owner did not tell my friend that there was a tool needed to adjust the front sight and the thing was shooting around a foot off, vertically (can remember high or low). He finally found out about the tool and zero’d it in for 100 yds. not very accurate but minute of deer...so good enough...for what that is worth.

never jammed....pretty reliable....he went and sold it a few years later for what he paid for it....I never found the piece that interesting....


30 posted on 01/13/2014 5:59:08 AM PST by Vaquero (Don't pick a fight with an old guy. If he is too old to fight, he'll just kill you.)
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To: caver; JoeProBono

It’s hard to believe I bought a Chinese SKS, with the bayonet, for $79.95 about 20 or so years ago. You also could get a 1,000 rounds of norinco 7.62x39 for $69.95. Those were the days.


31 posted on 01/13/2014 5:59:33 AM PST by BBell (The Blue Dog is Stupid)
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To: EricT.
While in original configuration, the SKS is considered a curio and relic by the BATFE. If you make any changes to parts on the BATFE list, you must put in enough US-made parts to satisfy 922r requirements for imported rifles. Do a web search for “SKS 922r” and you will find several guides for what you can and can’t do.

I bought the Tapco kit for mine to do this. It functioned flawlessly with their 20-round mags. Except for the very first trigger pull. I didn't get the mag fully seated. After that, it went bang every time. Wish I still had it. Ammo's dirt cheap for it.

32 posted on 01/13/2014 6:35:48 AM PST by IYAS9YAS (Has anyone seen my tagline? It was here yesterday. I seem to have misplaced it.)
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To: BBell

33 posted on 01/13/2014 7:07:52 AM PST by JoeProBono (SOME IMAGES MAY BE DISTURBING VIEWER DISCRETION IS ADVISED;-{)
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To: Chainmail

***I still have my VC SKS and it works***

I remember going to a pawn shop, back in 1970, and seeing war trophy VC SKS rifes on the racks. No one wanted them as you could not get ammo back then.


34 posted on 01/13/2014 7:29:15 AM PST by Ruy Dias de Bivar (Sometimes you need 7+ more ammo. LOTS MORE.)
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To: JoeProBono

Fifty years ago it was common to see a barrel full of Civil War bayonets for sale in the army surplus stores.


35 posted on 01/13/2014 7:34:19 AM PST by Ruy Dias de Bivar (Sometimes you need 7+ more ammo. LOTS MORE.)
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To: Ruy Dias de Bivar

I remember those days well.. I built a semiauto AK (probably the world’s first) on a Valmet receiver and it took a lot of chicanery to find a magazine’s worth of 7.62X39 to test it. I eventually found 30 very expensive CIA no-head stamp rounds and went a friend’s farm to shoot it the first time. This buddy said “can I try it?”. I said “sure” and he promptly fired all 30 rounds!

Ah well.


36 posted on 01/13/2014 10:00:20 AM PST by Chainmail (A simple rule of life: if you can be blamed, you're responsible.)
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To: JoeProBono

I just sold one last week for 300, with the bayonet!


37 posted on 01/13/2014 3:12:45 PM PST by sig229 (The loonie left "FLUNKED" human nature 101)
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To: sig229

Thanks for sharing;-{)


38 posted on 01/13/2014 3:20:02 PM PST by JoeProBono (SOME IMAGES MAY BE DISTURBING VIEWER DISCRETION IS ADVISED;-{)
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To: JoeProBono

Look for a rearsenal mark...a square or diamond with a slash through it...on the receiver cover. Also, the ‘51 is notorious for not having a safety spring. Is the bayonet black?


39 posted on 01/13/2014 3:49:17 PM PST by gundog (Help us, Nairobi-Wan Kenobi...you're our only hope.)
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To: djf
...no spring on the firing pin...

The Soviets tried that, early on. Wasn't necessary. AK's, AR's M1A's don't have a firing pin spring, either. Soft primers are the only thing that have given me problems.

40 posted on 01/13/2014 3:52:45 PM PST by gundog (Help us, Nairobi-Wan Kenobi...you're our only hope.)
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To: JoeProBono

Chinese.


41 posted on 01/13/2014 3:55:21 PM PST by gundog (Help us, Nairobi-Wan Kenobi...you're our only hope.)
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To: Vaquero
be careful of the <=$100 guns as many if not most of them have pressed on not threaded barrels and iirc can develop head space problems...
42 posted on 01/13/2014 6:39:23 PM PST by Chode (Stand UP and Be Counted, or line up and be numbered - *DTOM* -vvv- NO Pity for the LAZY - 86-44)
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To: Chode

Oh I had nor have any interest in the SKS. I do kick myself for not buying a bunch of LESS than $100 guns. SMLEs were going for around $50-$75 15 years ago.

Shoulda woulda coulda.


43 posted on 01/14/2014 3:20:34 AM PST by Vaquero (Don't pick a fight with an old guy. If he is too old to fight, he'll just kill you.)
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To: Vaquero
i hear that...
44 posted on 01/14/2014 4:46:11 AM PST by Chode (Stand UP and Be Counted, or line up and be numbered - *DTOM* -vvv- NO Pity for the LAZY - 86-44)
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To: Chainmail

That reminds me of a joke: Johnny had two Reese’s cups. His friend Sam ate two. How many years until Johnny speaks to Sam again?


45 posted on 01/14/2014 7:00:34 PM PST by Redcitizen (Never bring a tank to a Chuck Norris fight.)
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