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How Massachusetts H.4121 Would Abolish The Second Amendment
Reality Always Wins ^ | 7/8/2014 | Youtube

Posted on 07/09/2014 4:55:11 AM PDT by RealityAlwaysWins

This legislation is pretty scary. In Massachusetts you have to have either a License To Carry or a Firearms Identification Card to own a firearm.

The H.4121 legislation would make the issuance of both of those items totally discretionary. The police chief can deny your request and simply declare you "unsuitable" for any arbitrary reason.

If they can get this to pass, then plan on seeing the same approach attempted in other states.

How Massachusetts H.4121 Would Abolish The Second Amendment


TOPICS: Government; Local News; Politics; Society
KEYWORDS: guncontrol; guns; secondamendment

1 posted on 07/09/2014 4:55:12 AM PDT by RealityAlwaysWins
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To: RealityAlwaysWins

” SHALL NOT BE INFRINGED “


2 posted on 07/09/2014 5:04:52 AM PDT by Lionheartusa1 (-: 0bamanomics is the equal distribution of misery :-)
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To: RealityAlwaysWins

This would be a clear violation of the Heller decision.


3 posted on 07/09/2014 5:13:15 AM PDT by taxcontrol
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To: RealityAlwaysWins

Democracy is two wolves and a lamb voting on what to have for lunch. Liberty is the well-armed lamb contesting the vote. – Benjamin Franklin


4 posted on 07/09/2014 5:14:54 AM PDT by B4Ranch (Name your illness, do a Google & YouTube search with "hydrogen peroxide". Do it and be surprised.)
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To: taxcontrol

“...This would be a clear violation of...”

They don’t care.

If they think they can remotely get away with it, they will try it.

If the citizenry doesn’t push back - hard - they will get away with it.


5 posted on 07/09/2014 5:15:57 AM PDT by NFHale (The Second Amendment - By Any Means Necessary.)
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To: RealityAlwaysWins

CCW permits in CA are discretionary, but you don’t need a license to own a gun. Long guns and handguns do require registration. All firearms must be sold thru a dealer. CA is looking at permits to buy ammo.


6 posted on 07/09/2014 5:18:19 AM PDT by umgud (I couldn't understand why the ball kept getting bigger......... then it hit me.)
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To: RealityAlwaysWins
"What in bleeping Hell are you people doing?"


7 posted on 07/09/2014 5:18:36 AM PDT by Paine in the Neck (Socialism consumes EVERYTHING)
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To: RealityAlwaysWins
With the 9th Circuit ruling in Peruta v. San Diego saying that the state must allow either concealed carry or open carry and the 7th circuit ruling in Moore V. Madigan that forced Illinois to adopt shall issue concealed carry, vs. the 3rd Circuit ruling in Drake v. Filko where "justifiable need" was upheld, the entire issue is eventually going to wind up in the Supreme Court.

Let the Massachusetts legislature pass this law which will also be challenged all the way to the Supremes.

8 posted on 07/09/2014 5:23:01 AM PDT by Yo-Yo (Is the /sarc tag really necessary?)
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To: umgud

Have been invited by my sister to move to California. Told her the chances of my doing that we’re about the same as Hell freezing over.


9 posted on 07/09/2014 5:24:04 AM PDT by Boomer One
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To: RealityAlwaysWins

Our founding fathers are rolling over in their graves.


10 posted on 07/09/2014 5:35:42 AM PDT by Virginian3127
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To: NFHale

Very true


11 posted on 07/09/2014 5:48:27 AM PDT by taxcontrol
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To: Lionheartusa1

They can issue as many laws and regulations as they want to. Doesn’t mean I will obey them. Welcome to the NWO where every citizen unit is turned into a criminal to be exploited for profit at the king’s request.


12 posted on 07/09/2014 5:49:38 AM PDT by jsanders2001
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To: RealityAlwaysWins
Bad as this is it isn't anything that the massholes don't deserve.
13 posted on 07/09/2014 5:50:43 AM PDT by from occupied ga (Your government is your most dangerous enemy)
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To: RealityAlwaysWins

Whomever votes for this should be shot. This is what the second amendment is for.


14 posted on 07/09/2014 5:53:19 AM PDT by longfellow (Bill Maher, the 21st hijacker.)
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To: from occupied ga

strange. That video won’t play for me.


15 posted on 07/09/2014 6:25:16 AM PDT by TribalPrincess2U (0bama's agenda¬óDivide and conquer seems to be working.)
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To: longfellow

“Whomever votes for this should be shot. This is what the second amendment is for.”

Dead right! Liberals and the NRA think it is about “the sporting purposes of firearms”.


16 posted on 07/09/2014 6:38:56 AM PDT by CodeToad (Arm Up! They Are!)
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To: RealityAlwaysWins

Constitutions Supremacy Clause and Bill of Rights trump state laws.


17 posted on 07/09/2014 6:41:55 AM PDT by Hulka
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To: RealityAlwaysWins

I don’t want to break it to you, but this has been the case for years.

The local police chief “May” issue. It varies town to town. In the cities, you face a tougher battle. My town generally does not issue conceal carry, but I can own handguns.

I don’t agree with the “May” issue part of it. But that’s the way it is.


18 posted on 07/09/2014 6:48:18 AM PDT by Vermont Lt (If you want to keep your dignity, you can keep it. Period........ Just kidding, you can't keep it.)
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To: Yo-Yo

mass does not care. There is no penalty for knowingly passing laws which can not stand and they know it. In their eyes all laws are 100% legal until a judge forces they to tweak it.


19 posted on 07/09/2014 7:01:25 AM PDT by longtermmemmory (VOTE! http://www.senate.gov and http://www.house.gov)
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To: RealityAlwaysWins

Hard to believe that the laws in MASS used to REQUIRE people to carry guns while on a journey and to church. But that was back in the day when you could be murdered real fast.

OH WAIT! The only difference is that back then the murderers would also scalp you!


20 posted on 07/09/2014 7:10:19 AM PDT by Ruy Dias de Bivar (Sometimes you need more than seven rounds, Much more.)
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To: TribalPrincess2U
That video won’t play for me.

The oft viewed video of the MA JBTs hauling out innocent people from their homes at gunpoint. AND NOTHING WAS DONE ABOUT IT.

21 posted on 07/09/2014 7:16:02 AM PDT by from occupied ga (Your government is your most dangerous enemy)
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To: RealityAlwaysWins

In New Jersey carry permits are based upon your “proving a need” to carry. Unless you are “connected” the proof is never sufficient. What do they fail to comprehend about “shall not be infringed”?


22 posted on 07/09/2014 7:21:22 AM PDT by JimRed (Excise the cancer before it kills us; feed & water the Tree of Liberty! TERM LIMITS NOW & FOREVER!)
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To: Paine in the Neck

That statue needs to be removed. And the USS Constitution needs to be moved further south to Virginia, Wilmington, Charleston or Savannah.


23 posted on 07/09/2014 7:25:56 AM PDT by Little Ray (How did I end up in this hand-basket, and why is it getting so hot?)
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To: CodeToad

I consider them sport.


24 posted on 07/09/2014 7:33:32 AM PDT by longfellow (Bill Maher, the 21st hijacker.)
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To: Boomer One
Have been invited by my sister to move to California. Told her the chances of my doing that we’re about the same as Hell freezing over.

I met a woman who was living in California (long story, not relevant here). Early in our relationship I told her I couldn't move to CA, since half my guns were illegal there. She agreed to marry me and move to Ohio. My engagement present to her was a Ruger .357 revolver, and she's now an avid gunner with her own CCW.

25 posted on 07/09/2014 8:36:16 AM PDT by JoeFromSidney (Book: Resistance to Tyranny. Buy from Amazon.)
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To: jsanders2001

,,,, the British once attempted to take away the arms of the American colonist ,,, Hitler succeeded in disarming his population ,, the rest is history . It’s up to all patriotic Americans to decide which way they prefer to live .


26 posted on 07/09/2014 2:08:36 PM PDT by Lionheartusa1 (-: 0bamanomics is the equal distribution of misery :-)
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To: RealityAlwaysWins

SCOTUS shot down (no pun intended) a very similar law just a couple of years ago.


27 posted on 07/09/2014 5:40:08 PM PDT by Gay State Conservative (Rat Party Policy:Lie,Deny,Refuse To Comply)
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To: RealityAlwaysWins

The issuance of either Class A or Class B LTC is ALREADY totally discretionary.

It’s the FID card - which you need for a BB gun, or mace, as well as any (not banned) long gun - that is now “shall issue”, this law would put the FID card under the same regime as the LTC.

By the way, I have a non-resident Class A LTC and the people at the Firearms Records Bureau have been nothing but pleasant and helpful to deal with.


28 posted on 07/09/2014 5:45:30 PM PDT by Jim Noble (When strong, avoid them. Attack their weaknesses. Emerge to their surprise.)
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