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JonBenet Ramsey Murder Suspect Karr - Case Thread 2
FRee Republic ^ | 8/28/06 | FReepers, et alii

Posted on 08/28/2006 9:01:50 AM PDT by Rte66

This is a reference thread with links to previous FR threads discussing the arrest of a suspect, John Mark Karr, in the decade-old cold case concerning the murder of JonBenet Ramsey, plus case resources for continued commentary on investigation of the crime.


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Just because some of us do not find any convincing evidence of the Ramsey's guilt doesn't mean we are ready to fry Karr. If the DA doesn't have any convincing evidence, then he's likely not the guy either. So, for those of you displaying skepticism of Karr's guilt, most of us are with you. What we aren't with some of you on is the constant inference of the Ramsey's guilt. Many of us do not see anything substantial pointing to their guilt either.
61 posted on 08/28/2006 10:51:16 AM PDT by Conservative Texan Mom (Some people say I'm stubborn, when it's usually just that I'm right.)
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To: Valpal1; All

DITTO!

No MORE rehash....Just discussion and possible theories on current issue!


62 posted on 08/28/2006 10:52:11 AM PDT by hoosiermama
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To: ableLight

1.) JMK alibi is undocumented
2.) JMK confessed to culpable knowledge of the crime
3.) JMK 'fits the profile'
4.) JMK's 1st ex-wife indicates letters signed SBTC
5.) "Shall Be The Conquerer" signature in HS annual
6.) Yes, crazies falsely confess, but real perps also involve themselves in investigations for thrills. It happens both ways. JMK tried to communicate with PR.
7.) the DA *must* have more on him

I think that the arrest affadavit will be unsealed when the DA does or does not charge him and then we will know what the *more* is.


63 posted on 08/28/2006 10:57:16 AM PDT by Valpal1 (Big Media is like Barney Fife with a gun.)
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To: Valpal1

Thanks

Okay, here's what we've got so far:

1.) JMK alibi is undocumented
2.) JMK confessed to culpable knowledge of the crime
3.) JMK 'fits the profile'
4.) JMK's 1st ex-wife indicates letters signed SBTC
5.) "Shall Be The Conquerer" signature in HS annual
6.) Yes, crazies falsely confess, but real perps also involve themselves in investigations for thrills. It happens both ways. JMK tried to communicate with PR.
7.) the DA *must* have more on him

Would anyone challenge that? Add more? I'm sincerely curious how well we can develop this theory and where it might lead us...


64 posted on 08/28/2006 11:00:15 AM PDT by ableLight
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To: hoosiermama; Valpal1; All
No more Re-Hash!

DITTO - DITTO - DITTO
The current focus is on KARR, not the Ramsey's!!!
65 posted on 08/28/2006 11:09:01 AM PDT by stlnative (WARNING my post is most likely full of poor spelling & bad grammar which are all free of charge!)
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To: ableLight

This is one of my unsupported speculations.

The actual toxicology report is missing from the autopsy, there is just the two lines on the cover/summary page.

Has anybody ever seen a toxicolgy report on the pineapple in the bowl found in the kitchen?

Is it possible that JBR was drugged and that it was in the pineapple even if not in her blood stream?

I have been suspicious that the summary page was doctored and the actual toxicology report withheld from the media and the public.

The 1st ex wife reports a belief that JMK drugged her, is it possible that JMK also drugged 2nd ex wife and kids?


66 posted on 08/28/2006 11:09:02 AM PDT by Valpal1 (Big Media is like Barney Fife with a gun.)
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To: Valpal1; Rte66

That's good. I don't know about the toxicology reports on the pineapple. The pineapple had only reached the duodenum so it seems reasonable to say it wasn't yet absorbed when she died. If he poisoned her and something happened 'too' soon, it might not have shown up in a body toxicology report anyway.


Ste66, you now anything about that? Anyone?


67 posted on 08/28/2006 11:13:31 AM PDT by ableLight
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To: ableLight

Duh, I meant

Rte66, you know anything about that? Anyone?


68 posted on 08/28/2006 11:14:33 AM PDT by ableLight
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To: Valpal1

Unless that can be refuted, I vote to add it as #8 since it could just as well point to an intruder (I might argue that it weighs against PR feeding the pineapple b/c why poison the child when she can just smack her with a flashlight).

The addition would be:

physical evidence that JBR was fed pineapple by an intruder


69 posted on 08/28/2006 11:26:25 AM PDT by ableLight
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To: txrangerette

I've never thought it was the Ramsey's, no matter how much the so called evidence points there. I just cannot imagine someone being insane (and it would take alot of insanity to do to your own child what happened to that little girl) enough to pull that off and be completely normal before and after. Don't buy it at all.


70 posted on 08/28/2006 11:33:52 AM PDT by sandbar
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To: Valpal1
After reading the report where the cattle prod could cause one to become unconscious, have been wondering in the wounds are connected somehow to an instrument NOT a drug that produced the unconscious....It could also have been used on the first wife , thereby producing the blood blisters she had in unmentionable places.
71 posted on 08/28/2006 11:35:49 AM PDT by hoosiermama
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To: stlnative

RE blood blisters
"This rupture is usually caused by some form of trauma, such as pinching."

The electric fence charger we have uses small "pinchers" to connect to the wire fence. But the wounds in the picture seem smaller than they are.

OTOH anyone with a pair of plyers and a wire cutter could reconnect smaller clamps. I imagine the result of a automobile battery charger (Mine can regulate the amount of charge) might cause someone to be unconscious. Dealing in automobile the battery charger would be a must for his business.


72 posted on 08/28/2006 11:43:14 AM PDT by hoosiermama
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To: Valpal1

Spitz said (http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0608/24/ng.01.html)

"DANIEL SPITZ, FORENSIC PATHOLOGIST: Well, when you look at an autopsy report and a toxicology report, you need to realize that toxicology doesn`t look for every single drug that`s out there. It looks for most common drugs. And the possibility of JonBenet being given a drug certainly exists and that that drug wasn`t part of the panel that was done in that toxicology report."


73 posted on 08/28/2006 11:43:55 AM PDT by ableLight
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To: hoosiermama
Wouldn't the victim remember the wielding of the cattle prod. How does one surreptitiously administer a cattle prod?
74 posted on 08/28/2006 11:44:39 AM PDT by Valpal1 (Big Media is like Barney Fife with a gun.)
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To: ableLight

But what we really need to find out is if there was anything found in the pineapple. Was it even tested?


75 posted on 08/28/2006 11:44:52 AM PDT by ableLight
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To: onyx; Rte66

Would appreciate you comments on posts 71 & 72.


76 posted on 08/28/2006 11:45:51 AM PDT by hoosiermama
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To: ableLight

Spitz seems to be implying that we may not find any evidence of a drug in the pineapple or in JBR's system, so I'll hold off on adding that as #8 for now.


77 posted on 08/28/2006 11:48:52 AM PDT by ableLight
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FYI

a PRO "JONBENET'S PARENTS/BROTHER KILLED HER" DISCUSSION FORUM
(The perfect forum for the "her parents/brother killed her" theorists)

Websleuths - JonBenet Forum


78 posted on 08/28/2006 11:49:55 AM PDT by stlnative (WARNING my post is most likely full of poor spelling & bad grammar which are all free of charge!)
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To: stlnative

yes, been there and don't like it. There is more evidence suggesting an intruder did it rather than the family and most of their theories over there are so far fetched. What is sad is if at some point it is proved that someone else did this than the family those people over there will still say trash about the Ramsey's.


79 posted on 08/28/2006 11:52:33 AM PDT by Halls (Proud to be called a Daughter of Texas!)
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To: Valpal1
A cattle prod is a stick with an electric charge on the end

Am leaning more toward a charger used to charge up batteries ala automobile. Mine is quite small and could easily have been put in carry on luggage back then.

If the victem is given enough charge to produce unconsciousness I doubt if they'd remember it. Remember the first wife (just) assumed she had been drugged as an explanation of why she was out for two days.

80 posted on 08/28/2006 11:53:16 AM PDT by hoosiermama
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